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in all of those cases they were dealt with and the coach was removed. 

i mean, it's not a good thing that they even happened, but i'm not sure what you're looking for. they were dealt with, and it doesn't seem like there's a plague of these instances. the alleged Starocci situation isn't even in the same bucket. (coach/athlete)

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22 minutes ago, Tripnsweep said:

Which one? I think most of this is pretty common knowledge. Perry was shacking up with one of the wrestlers he was coaching, while being married and that relationship poisoned a whole program and made things very difficult, and caused pretty much everyone to leave and cratered an RTC program. 

I can only guess at what Moorman did to get himself removed even if he did resign to coach club wrestling in Texas. 

The situation at Southern Oregon is pretty open, considering the victim went public and called out her abuser who quit before she could be fired and left the team on their own. 

This is just scratching the surface. 

i'm not trying to be antagonistic but you're still not defining the issue. Whatever the hell starocci was doing in the training room, is a different issue than what he was doing in practice, is a different issue than whatever mark perry was doing... unless you're saying the complications that develop as a result of us being a gendered sexual species is somehow one issue....in which case there is no solution. 

"Half measures are a coward's form of insanity."

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On 6/26/2025 at 11:22 PM, Tripnsweep said:

We had the Ohio State scandal. We're in the midst of this thing with Starocci. We have had many other issues like this that get ignored or swept under the rug. We have an impotent and or incompetent governing body that has a toothless apparatus to deal with these things. 

This is even more of a problem now than ever with women's wrestling being a big thing. Nobody is looking into things. Why did Moorman leave King University? The thing with the Southern Oregon coach was hardly noticed. The various issues with Mark Perry were ignored because of who he is. I'm sure there are other things I'm forgetting. 

So when are we going to admit there's a problem and do something about it? 

So do you know anything about the Moorman situation?

And with the Park Merry situation, was that even anything that was potentially criminal?  Obviously not a good look and I get other athletes getting upset about it, but my understanding was that was a relationship between consenting adults.  Very different from the Starocci allegations IMO

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It’s foolish to believe this kind of behavior is more common among wrestlers. During the 2024 Olympics I read some 300,000 condoms were provided. Wrestling is no different than any other sport.

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On a world scale wrestling seems to have low recreational and performance enhancing drug scandals in the United States. I think we as Americans just stay ahead of what can be tested for better than other countries until a substance becomes banned its technically not illegal it guess 😂

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5 hours ago, 1032004 said:

So do you know anything about the Moorman situation?

And with the Park Merry situation, was that even anything that was potentially criminal?  Obviously not a good look and I get other athletes getting upset about it, but my understanding was that was a relationship between consenting adults.  Very different from the Starocci allegations IMO

I've heard things but it doesn't sound like the Moorman thing will get out because it's mutually assured destruction. King doesn't want to sully their reputation and if they did they'd have to throw him under the bus. Unless Caitlyn hadn't spoken up, it's doubtful many people would have known what happened at Southern Oregon, so a highly successful coach like Moorman leaving suddenly with no warning to end up coaching at a club team definitely isn't a good look since that is exactly what happened at Southern Oregon. 

As far as what Perry did/is still doing, even though the other person was of age, or multiple people, that is still a violation the same way the situation at Southern Oregon was. Add in that it caused numerous problems because it was a badly kept secret, and made the environment so toxic nobody wanted to be there anymore. It should be pretty telling that he's trying to become a real estate agent now and nobody anywhere wants him as a coach. 

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1 hour ago, Tripnsweep said:

I've heard things but it doesn't sound like the Moorman thing will get out because it's mutually assured destruction. King doesn't want to sully their reputation and if they did they'd have to throw him under the bus. Unless Caitlyn hadn't spoken up, it's doubtful many people would have known what happened at Southern Oregon, so a highly successful coach like Moorman leaving suddenly with no warning to end up coaching at a club team definitely isn't a good look since that is exactly what happened at Southern Oregon. 

As far as what Perry did/is still doing, even though the other person was of age, or multiple people, that is still a violation the same way the situation at Southern Oregon was. Add in that it caused numerous problems because it was a badly kept secret, and made the environment so toxic nobody wanted to be there anymore. It should be pretty telling that he's trying to become a real estate agent now and nobody anywhere wants him as a coach. 

I read the Facebook post from the Southern Oregon wrestler, that did not sound consensual.  My understanding is Perry’s relarionship(s) was never accused of not being consensual (similar to the allegations about Starocci).  That’s a pretty significant distinction IMO.

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Power dynamics always trump claims of consensual. The SOU situation will also be painted as consensual by the accused (assuming they accept the relationship at all). It’ll be the only credible claim considering evidence like texts etc. 

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On 6/29/2025 at 2:51 PM, scribers said:

The alleged victim has made a statement on their FB feed. It’s public. the university has removed the entire coaching staff from the online roster of that particular year. One of those assistants is either a victim too or complicit according to the victims statement. The accused is posted scripture now after a year since being fired. Fired right after being the first woman to HC a team to a championship 
 

 

 

 

She's a Sam Schmidt protoge. HE DID THE SAME THING.

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On 6/30/2025 at 5:37 AM, 1032004 said:

So do you know anything about the Moorman situation?

And with the Park Merry situation, was that even anything that was potentially criminal?  Obviously not a good look and I get other athletes getting upset about it, but my understanding was that was a relationship between consenting adults.  Very different from the Starocci allegations IMO

Prohibited by SafeSport, USAW, USOPC, IOC, etc, etc

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The actual overall problem, with admitting that's there's actually a problem(s) in the wrestling community/world. Beyond individual situations is that. There are 2-3 unspoken rules/axioms that ALWAYS come into play whenever actually addressing any situation,

(And by situation, it can be anything from inappropriate relationships, cheating, poaching etc. the "issue" and the severity can vary)

comes into play 

1. "That's just how it is at da high level, if you have a problem with it, it's "obviously" because you're a non competitive pussy who's not willing to do what it actually takes to win" a sub variation is "how could it be bad for the sport long term if my team or kid benefits??, huh, like f looking at the big picture" 

2. "Yeah it's bad, but this going public will be a black eye for the sport so it's not worth it"

3. Someone is protected or it would drag someone who's not really at fault down too. OR if this gets revealed too many will go down.

And I've seen multiple times that someone tries to share, and gets ignored or silenced. Or even loses coaching privileges. That's leaving aside the cases of safe sport doing nothing after interviewing victims with evidence. 
 

and as someone said on another thread, due to wanting access, the interior reporting isn't going to dig into what they heard at drinks with some coaches. And everything feeds back into just shoving down or excusing everything

 

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On 6/29/2025 at 6:50 PM, Hammerlock3 said:

i'm not trying to be antagonistic but you're still not defining the issue. Whatever the hell starocci was doing in the training room, is a different issue than what he was doing in practice, is a different issue than whatever mark perry was doing... unless you're saying the complications that develop as a result of us being a gendered sexual species is somehow one issue....in which case there is no solution. 

They’re all *I poop my pants, don't laugh at me*ty, sex-based or sex-adjacent issues of power dynamics, all of which got covered up, swept under the rug, or otherwise ignored or minimized by other responsible adults, oftentimes for years even decades.

The issue is that many of the people who were committing these acts, hiding these messes, or sidestepping responsibility for being a responsible adult are people who have been lionized as a considerable part of modern wrestling lore.

That is all the same issue, and it is not a small one.

The fact that in the span of a month Snyder’s situation went from “oh nooo bad bad bad” to “[shoulder shrug] eh, not much to write home about all things considered” is the big whiplash aspect of this.

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1 minute ago, wrestle87 said:

They’re all *I poop my pants, don't laugh at me*ty, sex-based or sex-adjacent issues of power dynamics, all of which got covered up, swept under the rug, or otherwise ignored or minimized by other responsible adults, oftentimes for years even decades.

The issue is that many of the people who were committing these acts, hiding these messes, or sidestepping responsibility for being a responsible adult are people who have been lionized as a considerable part of modern wrestling lore.

That is all the same issue, and it is not a small one.

The fact that in the span of a month Snyder’s situation went from “oh nooo bad bad bad” to “[shoulder shrug] eh, not much to write home about all things considered” is the big whiplash aspect of this.

how is that a wrestling specific issue? It sounds like the problem is "power hierarchies don't function perfectly", well welcome to earth. 

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"Half measures are a coward's form of insanity."

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27 minutes ago, Hammerlock3 said:

how is that a wrestling specific issue? It sounds like the problem is "power hierarchies don't function perfectly", well welcome to earth. 

This is the most tired and trite of simultaneously defeatest and enabling comments you can make.

It’s a wrestling specific issue in that this is a wrestling forum and we are talking about wrestling, and we care about the continued health and safety of the sport, and all athletes therein.

The excessively physical nature of the sport needn’t be expounded upon, but respecting and protecting the physical wellbeing of your opponents is a fundamental tenet of the sport in a way that is extremely rare in sport.

I’m pretty sure that is self-evident though.

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Posted
10 hours ago, wrestle87 said:

This is the most tired and trite of simultaneously defeatest and enabling comments you can make.

It’s a wrestling specific issue in that this is a wrestling forum and we are talking about wrestling, and we care about the continued health and safety of the sport, and all athletes therein.

The excessively physical nature of the sport needn’t be expounded upon, but respecting and protecting the physical wellbeing of your opponents is a fundamental tenet of the sport in a way that is extremely rare in sport.

I’m pretty sure that is self-evident though.

If this is a useful topic, not uselessly pretending an insanely general problem is specific to wrestling, let me know the general practice most of us support which is enabling this behavior and has to be changed. 

"Half measures are a coward's form of insanity."

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When they have  one.   All walks of life have occasional problems, why should the 99% be subjected to being required to bow down to those, like you, who want to make some isolated incident into a common indictment?

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1 hour ago, Hammerlock3 said:

If this is a useful topic, not uselessly pretending an insanely general problem is specific to wrestling, let me know the general practice most of us support which is enabling this behavior and has to be changed. 

In wrestling we are particularly given to holding up certain figures in borderline religious, certainly cult-like ways.

The wrestling community doesn’t know what to do if it doesn’t have somebody to bow to as the next “gable”.

This (apparently, I’m just hearing about most of this stuff this week) leads to narrow, myopic, and uncritical or highly unobjective lenses being applied to lots of situations.

Sex-related and abuse-related topics all bursting forth at once smacks very much of a broader issue of a lack of accountability or standards maintenance as a community.

 

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14 hours ago, wrestle87 said:

This is the most tired and trite of simultaneously defeatest and enabling comments you can make.

It’s a wrestling specific issue in that this is a wrestling forum and we are talking about wrestling, and we care about the continued health and safety of the sport, and all athletes therein.

The excessively physical nature of the sport needn’t be expounded upon, but respecting and protecting the physical wellbeing of your opponents is a fundamental tenet of the sport in a way that is extremely rare in sport.

I’m pretty sure that is self-evident though.

One of the best posts I’ve read in this forum in some time.

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3 hours ago, wrestle87 said:

In wrestling we are particularly given to holding up certain figures in borderline religious, certainly cult-like ways.

The wrestling community doesn’t know what to do if it doesn’t have somebody to bow to as the next “gable”.

This (apparently, I’m just hearing about most of this stuff this week) leads to narrow, myopic, and uncritical or highly unobjective lenses being applied to lots of situations.

Sex-related and abuse-related topics all bursting forth at once smacks very much of a broader issue of a lack of accountability or standards maintenance as a community.

 

ok so "stop admiring people, they might do something bad," is the solution? thats not gonna work

"Half measures are a coward's form of insanity."

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