Best and worst case scenarios

[Fletcher]

Regardless of his professional outcome, I'll have a garbage opinion of Cael. I'm just trying to map out realistic outcomes.

[Saylors_Tiny_Willie]

Burn the PSU wrestling program to the ground.

Start over.

[BAC]

33 minutes ago, Caveira said:

In the entire history of sports I’ve been involved in.  I’ve never been near a team that had naked photo snap chat against other teammates will.   
 

can your psu apologist brain not see or hear that ?

 

ooooh.  It’s just kids blowing off steam.  Are you crazy?

Dude, you're out of control.  You're making up stuff, and putting words in my and other peoples' mouths that they didn't say.  You need to relax.

[Caveira]

22 minutes ago, BAC said:

Dude, you're out of control.  You're making up stuff, and putting words in my and other peoples' mouths that they didn't say.  You need to relax.

Name some other programs where a star athlete Took naked photos against the “persons” will.   Posted it on a team channel….. and  The people who were naked complained.      It’s literally in the article that Cstar took photos of Beau and other teammates and posted them on some team snap chat.  
 

are you cstar’s mom?  If you are.   He for sure cemented his legacy and will not be on the Mount Rushmore and won’t be over glorifying him the next 10-15 ncaa champions as the coolest 5 timer 

Edited 13 hours ago by Caveira

[BAC]

31 minutes ago, Fletcher said:

If Cael cops to knowing about the locker room pics and not reporting out, he's toast. Cael's too smart to get caught in that though; he'll figure out a way to have plausible deniability.

Maybe, but I still have a different take.

He's toast if (a) the photo showed private parts, and (b) it was uploaded to Snap and shared, and (c) this fact was reported to Cael (and he admits it). That's a major reporting failure, and a bridge too far for admin.

But I don't think that's what the facts are, based on what's come out so far.

Beau never said the photo of him was uploaded/shared with others.  He also never says he even saw it, or if it showed any private parts.  He also never said that any of the photos being uploaded to Snap included any private parts.  (And I sort of doubt it did, because ... WTF?  Why wouldn't they all speak up then?)

So, when he reported it to Cael (and I'm assuming he did, along with the theft), I'm envisioning it was more like, "And that SOB took a pic of me just as I got out of the shower and laughed and ran away." 

That's super sketchy, but I'm not sure that's illegal.  Maybe it should be, but as a general rule, you can take pictures of whoever you want, with or without their consent. If they're naked, it can be a crime if not consented to (as here), but typically only if done for purposes of arousal/gratification.  Maybe it was, but Beau describes it like Carter's being a jokester in poor taste, so maybe that's how it was reported -- and how it was interpreted. If done more than once, it can be harassment or stalking, and if it's shared it triggers a whole bunch of other laws, but again, it isn't clear that Beau reported any of that.  Just a dbag teammate snapping a pic of him as he gets out of the shower as a supposed "joke", which, while tasteless and unfunny, is pretty borderline by itself as far as being a mandatory report.

Even if I'm wrong, I question whether the PSU admin would see it as so clearcut a violation of mandatory reporting as to warrant serious discipline.

This also assumes Cael didn't do anything. If he didn't report it, personally I'd be offended if Cael didn't at least go to Carter to say (a) WTF are you doing? (b) You better have deleted that, (c) if you shared that with anyone I'll kill you myself, and (d) don't do that ever again, not funny. Not his job to investigate, but if you're going to take the position it doesn't need to be reported, you better fix it.

Again, there's lots we don't know.  But on these facts, I don't see a major issue, unless the PR people tell the admin that they need a scalp.

[BAC]

17 minutes ago, Caveira said:

Name some other programs where a star athlete Took naked photos against the “persons” will.   Posted it on a team channel….. and  The people who were naked complained.      It’s literally in the article that Cstar took photos of Beau and other teammates and posted them on some team snap chat.  
 

are you cstar’s mom?  If you are.   He for sure cemented his legacy and will not be on the Mount Rushmore and won’t be over glorifying him the next 10-15 ncaa champions as the coolest 5 timer 

Doesn't say what the photo shows.  Doesn't say it was added to chat. Doesn't say anyone on the chat was visibly exposed. Doesn't say the chat was reported to anyone. Could be true, but article doesn't say and we don't know.  I'd say "reread the article" but you already know this, and are gleefully spewing as fact things that exist only in your head.  We all know you've been jerking off in a bowl all day, hoping Beau will do what Iowa couldn't, unleashing a decade's worth of frustration. Easy there fella. 

The allegations here are serious, and the facts matter.  No decent person wants PSU coaches to escape responsibility if they're culpable, but no decent person wants their career ruined if they acted properly. But then again, not everyone's a decent person, are they?  

[ionel]

2 hours ago, Fletcher said:

JRob was really old and not a favored son at MN, so they didn't mind putting him out to pasture. It's gonna take a lot more to shake Cael loose at PSU.

Sure but what about Paterno and the Baylor football coach?

[Mr. PeanutButter]

34 minutes ago, BAC said:

Doesn't say what the photo shows.  Doesn't say it was added to chat. Doesn't say anyone on the chat was visibly exposed. Doesn't say the chat was reported to anyone. Could be true, but article doesn't say and we don't know.  I'd say "reread the article" but you already know this, and are gleefully spewing as fact things that exist only in your head.  We all know you've been jerking off in a bowl all day, hoping Beau will do what Iowa couldn't, unleashing a decade's worth of frustration. Easy there fella. 

The allegations here are serious, and the facts matter.  No decent person wants PSU coaches to escape responsibility if they're culpable, but no decent person wants their career ruined if they acted properly. But then again, not everyone's a decent person, are they?  

"Beau and Mark, a former teammate who requested anonymity due to fear of retaliation, alleged Starocci took nonconsensual explicit photos of them in the Nittany Lions’ locker room. Beau said the photos were reported to Sanderson along with the theft, but nothing came of it from the coach.

“I walked out of the shower to a snapshot from (Starocci) of me, naked,” Beau said. “The team had a snapchat group chat that he filled with those kinds of pictures of teammates.”"

[Caveira]

6 hours ago, Mr. PeanutButter said:

"Beau and Mark, a former teammate who requested anonymity due to fear of retaliation, alleged Starocci took nonconsensual explicit photos of them in the Nittany Lions’ locker room. Beau said the photos were reported to Sanderson along with the theft, but nothing came of it from the coach.

“I walked out of the shower to a snapshot from (Starocci) of me, naked,” Beau said. “The team had a snapchat group chat that he filled with those kinds of pictures of teammates.”"

Bac is the biggest psu apologist on this board.  That snippet of the article has been shared with him at least 10 times in this thread.  He doesn’t want to see what he doesn’t want to see.  

[Pinnacle]

10 hours ago, Pinnacle said:

When was the whole (alleged) photo snap chat incident? Was it around the same time as the (alleged) locker theft? 

 

10 hours ago, Caveira said:

I can only assume but in the article says they were both reported.   I “think”  (Verify) at the same time 

 

Sounds like they were reported to the police when brought to Cael's attention. 

[RandolphTJones]

I chuckled at Bill Bassett being appointed the new head coach. Bravo. 

[Elevator]

15 hours ago, Fletcher said:

#1 - it's not Basset's decision, it's God's decision and He works in mysterious ways.

#2 - law school

Well - as God often shows us - we certainly need more lawyers!

[GV4444]

15 hours ago, Interviewed_at_Weehawken said:

I'm not saying Cael will be gone, but if he is, the whole staff will probably have to follow.

Agreed.

Let's do an Occam's Razor:

1. Carter takes snaps.
2. Carter posts on a group Snap-Chat.
3. Beau tells Cael.
4. Cael goes to Carter and says, "WTF, delete the Chat, delete the photos, that s*** can destroy your life."
5. Carter complies.
6. Nothing else is done by Cael, no more photos are take or posted.

Fire Cael?

[Elevator]

9 hours ago, BAC said:

Doesn't say what the photo shows.  Doesn't say it was added to chat. Doesn't say anyone on the chat was visibly exposed. Doesn't say the chat was reported to anyone. Could be true, but article doesn't say and we don't know.  I'd say "reread the article" but you already know this, and are gleefully spewing as fact things that exist only in your head.  We all know you've been jerking off in a bowl all day, hoping Beau will do what Iowa couldn't, unleashing a decade's worth of frustration. Easy there fella. 

The allegations here are serious, and the facts matter.  No decent person wants PSU coaches to escape responsibility if they're culpable, but no decent person wants their career ruined if they acted properly. But then again, not everyone's a decent person, are they?  

Analysis is on the money.   Once coaches report it is out of their hands and presumably in the hands of those trained to investigate and make related decisions.   

[Elevator]

30 minutes ago, RandolphTJones said:

I chuckled at Bill Bassett being appointed the new head coach. Bravo. 

Three Basset brothers as co-player coaches! 

[Interviewed_at_Weehawken]

44 minutes ago, GV4444 said:

Agreed.

Let's do an Occam's Razor:

1. Carter takes snaps.
2. Carter posts on a group Snap-Chat.
3. Beau tells Cael.
4. Cael goes to Carter and says, "WTF, delete the Chat, delete the photos, that s*** can destroy your life."
5. Carter complies.
6. Nothing else is done by Cael, no more photos are take or posted.

Fire Cael?

If that were me at my job, I would be fired.

[headshuck]

I think that’s what got JRob fired.

[ionel]

7 minutes ago, Interviewed_at_Weehawken said:

If that were me at my job, I would be fired.

 

3 minutes ago, headshuck said:

I think that’s what got JRob fired.

and pretty sure the Baylor football coach didn't know what was going on and it took down the president as well who clearly wasn't in the loop.  There's a range of behavior from protecting to ignoring to knowing nothing that is not acceptable.  

[Interviewed_at_Weehawken]

1 hour ago, ionel said:

 

and pretty sure the Baylor football coach didn't know what was going on and it took down the president as well who clearly wasn't in the loop.  There's a range of behavior from protecting to ignoring to knowing nothing that is not acceptable.  

Yes, and "handling things internally" isn't going to work out well for anyone.