Best and worst case scenarios

[Mr. PeanutButter]

In light of recent events what are some prognostications on how things shake out?

One or more coaches get canned?

Team suspended?

Onslaught of transfers out?

Bill Bassett appointed new head coach?

Cael out, Casey up to the head helm?

Or does virtually nothing change at all?

[Interviewed_at_Weehawken]

16 minutes ago, Mr. PeanutButter said:

In light of recent events what are some prognostications on how things shake out?

One or more coaches get canned?

Team suspended?

Onslaught of transfers out?

Bill Bassett appointed new head coach?

Cael out, Casey up to the head helm?

Or does virtually nothing change at all?

I'm not saying Cael will be gone, but if he is, the whole staff will probably have to follow.

[pawrestler]

5 minutes ago, Interviewed_at_Weehawken said:

I'm not saying Cael will be gone, but if he is, the whole staff will probably have to follow.

Yeah I agree, there's no point firing Cael and not cleaning house. Given the previous scandal at PSU, a big hitting journal will look into this and see if they agree with the claims. If they do agree I think the heat will go way way up for PSU and then we get into Cael getting fired territory. 

[Fletcher]

I don't think anything happens. Coaching staff had no knowledge of the sexual assaults and underage girl stuff. Coaches reported thefts to campus police. Junk-grabbing and oil checking can be written off as just wrestling.

If Beau told them about the locker room photos, the coaches can just deny that he told them. Without any proof Beau told them about this, it ends there.

[1032004]

7 minutes ago, Fletcher said:

I don't think anything happens. Coaching staff had no knowledge of the sexual assaults and underage girl stuff. Coaches reported thefts to campus police. Junk-grabbing and oil checking can be written off as just wrestling.

If Beau told them about the locker room photos, the coaches can just deny that he told them. Without any proof Beau told them about this, it ends there.

Agree.  And with Starocci almost certainly being gone, I don’t think we see anyone leave that wasn’t going to already.

Biggest questions to me are:

1) does this impact the Bassett decision?  I’d have to think it leans him away from PSU.  If he chooses PSU after this he will deservedly get a lot of flack after his comments

2) where does Starocci go (assuming no criminal charges)?  Does he retire from amateur wrestling?

Edited 20 hours ago by 1032004

[Fletcher]

1 minute ago, 1032004 said:

Agree.

Biggest questions to me are:

1) does this impact the Bassett decision?  I’d have to think it leans him away from PSU.  If he chooses PSU after this he will deservedly get a lot of flack after his comments

2) where does Starocci go (assuming no criminal charges)?  Does he retire from amateur wrestling?

#1 - it's not Basset's decision, it's God's decision and He works in mysterious ways.

#2 - law school

[pokemonster]

absolutely nothing is going to happen to the coaching staff... guaranteed. even willie said this is p*ssy sh*t and if he was in beau's shoes, he would've handled starocci himself. ended all that on the spot.

[cl415]

What if Cael gets fired and they bring in DT?

OSU fans would be in shambles. 

[Caveira]

 

 

[ionel]

1 hour ago, Mr. PeanutButter said:

In light of recent events what are some prognostications on how things shake out?

One or more coaches get canned?

Team suspended?

Onslaught of transfers out?

Bill Bassett appointed new head coach?

Cael out, Casey up to the head helm?

Or does virtually nothing change at all?

Don't forget Jimmy ... there's gotta be a worst-best case scenario involving Jimmy.

Everyone canned up thru president. Spencer comes in as president, AD and head coach and cleans up the mess.  Jimmy as new head of HR hires the Brands bros as the new mat boys.  Penn St changes their chant to We Were! 

[pawrestler]

24 minutes ago, Caveira said:

 

 

[Caveira]

Worst case?  For Carter By far is a conviction of sexually related charges.
  Hazing.   And theft.  Registering as a sex offender and not being able to coach anywhere.  Kicked off team USA.  Then having to figure out how to monetize that RECREATION, PARK AND TOURISM MANAGEMENT major.   I’m sure it’s super valued in the market.  Maybe he can ask that other rec park and tourism mgmt major who just graduated what you use that for.   

[WrestleFan12]

1 hour ago, Fletcher said:

Junk-grabbing and oil checking can be written off as just wrestling.

Up to a point, I would think. And a lot depends on context. I'm sure other wrestlers could tell the difference between 'it happens' vs. being groped/assaulted. I'm sure all of us could.

[skandar]

Best case? Cael actually did report whatever he was required to and nothing really happens.

 

Worst case? The team gets the “death penalty,” Carter is blackballed from wrestling, Cael loses his job, and it destroys wrestling’s reputation even more. 
 

Realistically? PSU “investigates” and finds no wrongdoing, Carter goes to MMA, and nothing really happens. Maybe PSU loses an occasional recruiting battle that they wouldn’t have otherwise.

[Saylors_Tiny_Willie]

14 minutes ago, skandar said:

Best case? Cael actually did report whatever he was required to and nothing really happens.

 

Worst case? The team gets the “death penalty,” Carter is blackballed from wrestling, Cael loses his job, and it destroys wrestling’s reputation even more. 
 

Realistically? PSU “investigates” and finds no wrongdoing, Carter goes to MMA, and nothing really happens. Maybe PSU loses an occasional recruiting battle that they wouldn’t have otherwise.

Iowa still doesn't place top 5 next year.

[Caveira]

46 minutes ago, WrestleFan12 said:

Up to a point, I would think. And a lot depends on context. I'm sure other wrestlers could tell the difference between 'it happens' vs. being groped/assaulted. I'm sure all of us could.

I think.  Two hard fought competitors in the moment … it prolly happens.  Sometimes on purpose sometimes on accident.   
 

if a 184/197 lber is holding down a 141 lber against their will and doing it.   That’s approaching charges.  If not chaeges.   I obviously don’t know if the latter happened but it’s rumored to have happened to a bunch of folks.   The details will likely come out.   There will be horrendous outrage.   Or nothing burger depending on details.   Now this is only in reference to the oil checking.  
 

What about the d and ball grabbing?

What about the statutory rape allegations?

what about the actual rape allegations?

[Pinnacle]

When was the whole (alleged) photo snap chat incident? Was it around the same time as the (alleged) locker theft? 

[Caveira]

6 minutes ago, Pinnacle said:

When was the whole (alleged) photo snap chat incident? Was it around the same time as the (alleged) locker theft? 

I can only assume but in the article says they were both reported.   I “think”  (Verify) at the same time 

[Mr. PeanutButter]

In the article it is stated that Bartlett said he reported the pictures to the coaching staff. If true, is that worse than the kingpin drug ring that downed Jrob?

[Fletcher]

47 minutes ago, Mr. PeanutButter said:

In the article it is stated that Bartlett said he reported the pictures to the coaching staff. If true, is that worse than the kingpin drug ring that downed Jrob?

If Bartlett can show a text message or or email about this and Cael did nothing, you're right - he's sunk.

I'm afraid he did it face-to-face and then Cael can create whatever narrative he wants (e.g. nope Beau never mentioned or Beau was vague and didn't make any actionable accusations, etc.).

JRob was really old and not a favored son at MN, so they didn't mind putting him out to pasture. It's gonna take a lot more to shake Cael loose at PSU.

[BAC]

4 hours ago, Fletcher said:

I don't think anything happens. Coaching staff had no knowledge of the sexual assaults and underage girl stuff. Coaches reported thefts to campus police. Junk-grabbing and oil checking can be written off as just wrestling.

If Beau told them about the locker room photos, the coaches can just deny that he told them. Without any proof Beau told them about this, it ends there.

You may be right but, call me naive, I don't think the coach(es) are going to deny they were told about the photo.  Not if they were, in fact, told.  I just don't think that's how Cael rolls.

I think that's where the greatest exposure is. The article's unclear about what was shown in the pic, whether it was deleted, whether it was shared in chat, whether Cael did anything. But it's the kind of thing I can easily see a coach writing off as standard locker room idiocy when, depending on the details, it might need to be reported, strictly speaking. I doubt it's a firable offense, but I wouldn't be surprised if it resulted in discipline.

[Caveira]

9 minutes ago, BAC said:

You may be right but, call me naive, I don't think the coach(es) are going to deny they were told about the photo.  Not if they were, in fact, told.  I just don't think that's how Cael rolls.

I think that's where the greatest exposure is. The article's unclear about what was shown in the pic, whether it was deleted, whether it was shared in chat, whether Cael did anything. But it's the kind of thing I can easily see a coach writing off as standard locker room idiocy when, depending on the details, it might need to be reported, strictly speaking. I doubt it's a firable offense, but I wouldn't be surprised if it resulted in discipline.

In the entire history of sports I’ve been involved in.  I’ve never been near a team that had naked photo snap chat against other teammates will.   
 

can your psu apologist brain not see or hear that ?

 

ooooh.  It’s just kids blowing off steam.  Are you crazy?

[pokemonster]

20 minutes ago, BAC said:

You may be right but, call me naive, I don't think the coach(es) are going to deny they were told about the photo.  Not if they were, in fact, told.  I just don't think that's how Cael rolls.

I think that's where the greatest exposure is. The article's unclear about what was shown in the pic, whether it was deleted, whether it was shared in chat, whether Cael did anything. But it's the kind of thing I can easily see a coach writing off as standard locker room idiocy when, depending on the details, it might need to be reported, strictly speaking. I doubt it's a firable offense, but I wouldn't be surprised if it resulted in discipline.

I agree that it depends on the type of photo and how cael interpreted it. did it show the shaft and testicles, or perhaps just the shaft, or maybe it was him bent over from behind and all you could see is the testicles from that angle. or a silhouette depending on the lighting. it all depends on what cael thought of the photo at the time. a less flattering photo is more likely to be reported. if it was flattering in cael's eyes, he probably didn't see it as disrespectful or need to be reported. but i agree he should not be fired for reviewing the photo. 

Edited 15 hours ago by pokemonster

[Fletcher]

13 minutes ago, BAC said:

You may be right but, call me naive, I don't think the coach(es) are going to deny they were told about the photo.  Not if they were, in fact, told.  I just don't think that's how Cael rolls.

I think that's where the greatest exposure is. The article's unclear about what was shown in the pic, whether it was deleted, whether it was shared in chat, whether Cael did anything. But it's the kind of thing I can easily see a coach writing off as standard locker room idiocy when, depending on the details, it might need to be reported, strictly speaking. I doubt it's a firable offense, but I wouldn't be surprised if it resulted in discipline.

If Cael cops to knowing about the locker room pics and not reporting out, he's toast. Cael's too smart to get caught in that though; he'll figure out a way to have plausible deniability.

[Caveira]

4 minutes ago, Fletcher said:

If Cael cops to knowing about the locker room pics and not reporting out, he's toast. Cael's too smart to get caught in that though; he'll figure out a way to have plausible deniability.

Does that make him less of a scum bag if true. ?