What about Mamdani?

[1032004]

25 minutes ago, JimmySpeaks said:

So you’re assuming “x”  followers is their entire audience.  Not to mention the tifa boys and girls are trained/paid anarchists 

True, Charlie Kirk also has 3.6 million subscribers on YouTube.  How many does the city council longshot have?

[JimmySpeaks]

1 hour ago, 1032004 said:

He is

Prove it

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[1032004]

12 minutes ago, JimmySpeaks said:

Prove it

He was born in Africa, as were his paternal grandparents.  And he is of Indian (Asian) descent.

[JimmySpeaks]

12 minutes ago, 1032004 said:

He was born in Africa, as were his paternal grandparents.  And he is of Indian (Asian) descent.

So how does America fit into the African American part?   

[JimmySpeaks]

1 hour ago, 1032004 said:

True, Charlie Kirk also has 3.6 million subscribers on YouTube.  How many does the city council longshot have?

Why won’t he denounce the phrase “Globalize the intifada”?  He’s about inciting violence and antisemitism.  That’s why. 

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[Offthemat]

12 minutes ago, 1032004 said:

He was born in Africa, as were his paternal grandparents.  And he is of Indian (Asian) descent.

And he is Muslim, as were the 9/11 attackers; facts are facts.  Charlie Kirk, nor I, made any mention of violence, unlike the dimocrat candidate.  That’s the difference; one is calling for violence, the other is calling for votes. 

[red viking]

This thread still going? Looks like the wingers are nervous. Don't worry though, daffy duck would win against just about any republican right now in any even somewhat traditionally neutral area. 

[1032004]

41 minutes ago, JimmySpeaks said:

So how does America fit into the African American part?   

He’s an American citizen

[1032004]

37 minutes ago, Offthemat said:

And he is Muslim, as were the 9/11 attackers; facts are facts.  Charlie Kirk, nor I, made any mention of violence, unlike the dimocrat candidate.  That’s the difference; one is calling for violence, the other is calling for votes. 

Yes I said the statement itself was worse from the Texas guy whose name I already forgot.  Kirk’s post was still gross, and yet the conservatives here won’t admit that.

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[Offthemat]

39 minutes ago, 1032004 said:

Kirk’s post was still gross

How so?

[WrestlingRasta]

57 minutes ago, 1032004 said:

 Kirk’s post was still gross, and yet the conservatives here won’t admit that.

Kirk’s post you speak of simply expresses two facts.  And expressing facts isn’t always comfortable for everyone.   Fact 1) 24 years ago Muslims attacked NYC (and killed 3,000 innocent people). Fact 2) a Muslim with socialist policy agenda is now a leading candidate for major of NYC.  His post want just about him being Muslim, it is mainly about the agenda he is pushing. They are simply facts.  It’s up to you to be comfortable with that or not.  But, as I said to uncle b, if you’re going to die on the hill that expressing facts that are uncomfortable for some is a bigger issue than blatantly calling for the murder of law enforcement, over number of followers, then you seriously should take some self inventory.  

[Caveira]

1 hour ago, 1032004 said:

He’s an American citizen

“If I’m 100% Irish, but my parents moved to Africa and I was conceived and born there before moving to America—am I African American?”

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How the Term “African American” Is Commonly Used

1. U.S. Census definition
The Census Bureau defines “Black or African American” as anyone with origins in Black racial groups of Africa, including immigrants from Africa, the Caribbean, etc. RedditPMC+10mcdc.missouri.edu+10whitehouse.gov+10

2. Cultural and social usage
In everyday language, “African American” typically refers to Black Americans with ancestral roots in the historic experience of slavery and the long-standing Black community in the U.S.—not just someone born in Africa.

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You’re Irish by Ancestry, Born in Africa

• You’re 100% Irish—your ancestry traces entirely to Ireland.

• You were conceived and born in Africa, but not of African racial descent.

• You moved to the U.S. and presumably obtained citizenship.

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Are You “African American”?

No—not in the cultural or conventional sense.
While you were born on the African continent, your racial and ethnic background is Irish. The label "African American" is generally reserved for Black Americans—especially those descended from enslaved Africans or part of established Black communities in the U.S.

[mspart]

My son is Hawaiian as he was born there, so he should get special benefits as an islander, right?   Our other kids were young enough to ask if he would look hawaiian with darker skin or look white?  A very innocent question really.

mspart

[Caveira]

Claiming the identity of “African American” when you don’t meet its usual cultural, ancestral, and racial context—especially for personal gain—will be seen as morally questionable and even exploitative.

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Why This Matters

1. Cultural Appropriation & Power Dynamics

Cultural appropriation occurs when someone from a dominant group borrows identity markers or cultural symbols from a marginalized group—often without context, acknowledgment, or lived experience—while gaining social or economic advantage from it 

2. Ethical Concerns About “Passing” or Misrepresentation

A high-profile example is Rachel Dolezal, who presented herself as a Black woman despite being white. She faced severe backlash, and many condemned her actions as a form of identity theft—profiting from an identity to which she didn’t belong 

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In Your Scenario

• You are 100% Irish by ancestry, born in Africa, and not of African descent.

• Claiming to be “African American” when you aren’t from the Black community in the U.S. could:

  • Mislead others about your identity

  • Diminish or co-opt the lived experiences and systemic challenges faced by African Americans

  • Appear dishonest or opportunistic, especially if you derive benefit (e.g., scholarship, representation, solidarity)

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When Does It Cross the Line?

From community perspectives—like on Reddit—crossing into cultural appropriation often happens when:

1. You claim an identity you don’t live or belong to,

2. Use that claim for personal gain, or

3. Misrepresent yourself as experiencing systemic disadvantages related to that identity

[1032004]

1 hour ago, WrestlingRasta said:

Kirk’s post you speak of simply expresses two facts.  And expressing facts isn’t always comfortable for everyone.   Fact 1) 24 years ago Muslims attacked NYC (and killed 3,000 innocent people). Fact 2) a Muslim with socialist policy agenda is now a leading candidate for major of NYC.  His post want just about him being Muslim, it is mainly about the agenda he is pushing. They are simply facts.  It’s up to you to be comfortable with that or not.  But, as I said to uncle b, if you’re going to die on the hill that expressing facts that are uncomfortable for some is a bigger issue than blatantly calling for the murder of law enforcement, over number of followers, then you seriously should take some self inventory.  

Lol I can tell you follow Kirk, that was right out of his playbook. “But he was just stating 2 facts!”

Sure, separately they were both facts (well technically he listed the incorrect # of 9/11 casualties, but I digress).  But there was no reason other than Islamaphobia to combine them together.

Also lol at claiming it was “mainly about the agenda he is pushing.”  What in the world would his agenda have to do with 9/11?

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[WrestlingRasta]

35 minutes ago, 1032004 said:

Lol I can tell you follow Kirk

I don’t follow any of his profiles, but they do come across my FB feed from time to time, and I view them when they do.  I don’t agree with all he says, but I do like to listen to a variety of viewpoints. 
 

35 minutes ago, 1032004 said:

  What in the world would his agenda have to do with 9/11?

His agenda would have to do with the largest city in the United States, and the country’s international hub, which also happens to be the city that was attacked on 9/11.  it probably is a little more relevant than does someone have more or less followers……when blatantly and specifically calling for the murder of American law enforcement. 
 

As with uncle b, there’s not really much more for me to go back and forth with you on this.  I will leave you to your self inventory on the seriousness and concern in calling for the murder of law enforcement, and the last word if you so wish. 

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[1032004]

41 minutes ago, WrestlingRasta said:

 

His agenda would have to do with the largest city in the United States, and the country’s international hub, which also happens to be the city that was attacked on 9/11.  

 

Thanks for confirming 9/11 has nothing to do with Mamdani’s agenda

[JimmySpeaks]

4 hours ago, 1032004 said:

He’s an American citizen

Face it. His SAT scores sucked and he tried to play the system. 

[JimmySpeaks]

1 hour ago, 1032004 said:

Thanks for confirming 9/11 has nothing to do with Mamdani’s agenda

He just wants to globalize the intifada is all.  

[Undefeated]

6 hours ago, Offthemat said:

And he is Muslim, as were the 9/11 attackers; facts are facts.  Charlie Kirk, nor I, made any mention of violence, unlike the dimocrat candidate.  That’s the difference; one is calling for violence, the other is calling for votes. 

It seems he is originally Palestinian. But neither his origin nor his being Muslim proves anything against him. Associating his name with terrorism simply because many terrorists have been Muslim is unjust.

Do you know how many sects exist within Islam? And how many subgroups each sect has? Do you know which sect most terrorists come from?

Isn't it strange that many terrorists who acted in the name of Islam have now become part of Putin’s military forces in the war against Ukraine, which have no connection to Islam?

Unfortunately, these issues are not analyzed deeply. People just hear one thing: Islam is dangerous, the Middle East is scary, and Muslims should be avoided.

[Offthemat]

1 hour ago, Undefeated said:

It seems he is originally Palestinian.

I hadn’t heard that.  I had heard that he supported Palestinians, but don’t understand how he gets Palestinian from Uganda and India.  
 

Sunni and Shia tend to hold court, but in my mind, any who follow sharia are no different, possibly worse, than Nazis.  
 

There’s no need to deeply analyze how wrong mamdamy is for New York and the United States.  He sides with Palestine (Hamas) is a Marxist, and every part of his plan will lead to ruin.  Uganda is mostly Christian.  The U.S. is mostly Christian and capitalist.  He chose Muslim and Marxism.  The only thing he got right was dimocrat.

[Undefeated]

33 minutes ago, Offthemat said:

I hadn’t heard that.  I had heard that he supported Palestinians, but don’t understand how he gets Palestinian from Uganda and India.  
 

Sunni and Shia tend to hold court, but in my mind, any who follow sharia are no different, possibly worse, than Nazis.  
 

There’s no need to deeply analyze how wrong mamdamy is for New York and the United States.  He sides with Palestine (Hamas) is a Marxist, and every part of his plan will lead to ruin.  Uganda is mostly Christian.  The U.S. is mostly Christian and capitalist.  He chose Muslim and Marxism.  The only thing he got right was dimocrat.

There are quite a few contradictions in what you said.

How can someone be both Muslim and a Marxist at the same time? That just doesn’t make much sense. Maybe you meant socialist, which is different. A person can reference a major thinker like Marx and still just be a democratic socialist. But Marxism is a whole different thing.

You’re equating support for Palestinians with support for Hamas, which isn’t accurate at all. Was Rachel Corrie, for example, a Hamas supporter?  Many Palestinians themselves strongly oppose Hamas. So how does supporting Palestinian rights automatically mean someone supports Hamas?

As for following sharia, if you mean bringing religious beliefs into politics, I’d actually agree with your concern. But I haven’t seen any sign that Mamdani has ever pushed for that. If you have a source showing he has, I’d genuinely be interested to see it.

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47 minutes ago, Offthemat said:

I hadn’t heard that.  I had heard that he supported Palestinians, but don’t understand how he gets Palestinian from Uganda and India.  

Sunni and Shia tend to hold court, but in my mind, any who follow sharia are no different, possibly worse, than Nazis. 

There’s no need to deeply analyze how wrong mamdamy is for New York and the United States.  He sides with Palestine (Hamas) is a Marxist, and every part of his plan will lead to ruin.  Uganda is mostly Christian.  The U.S. is mostly Christian and capitalist.  He chose Muslim and Marxism.  The only thing he got right was dimocrat.

Looks like Undefeated just kicked the sh** out of your dumb post.

(Which was easy pickin' - given how incredibly ignorant it was. But don't let that stop you. Keep postin' child.)

[Offthemat]

4 hours ago, Undefeated said:

There are quite a few contradictions in what you said.

I’m not going all eclectic on this, but socialism is just communism lite.  But the major thinker missed one small detail in his plan.  Human nature.  Socialism goes against the grain of human nature so much that it can’t hold up on its own.  It either has to convert to capitalism or move on to full communist dictatorship.  And I don’t see much difference between the ayatollah and chairman Xi.  
 

Palestinians haven’t done anything to support in over a century, other than attack and kill Jews.  I don’t fall for mandami’s mealy mouthing about intifada.  We all know what it refers to.  Globalize it means they intend to continue until everyone is a Muslim, one way or another.  Then they can go about killing each other.  
 

This country was founded on Judeo-Christian principles so politics and religion are interwoven.  I go by the way the women dress.  If their women are dressed in garb that hides the fact that they’re women, then they’re one of the bad ones.  If you have to treat women as inferiors to be content with your life, then you’re the one with problems.  

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8 hours ago, JimmySpeaks said:

He just wants to globalize the intifada is all.  

He specifically said he doesn’t use that phrase.  He was asked what he thought the definition was and provided an interpretation