watch out

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you haven't even figured out that jimmy and i post nothing alike

[scourge165]

6 minutes ago, Bigbrog said:

I believe if you go back and read all my posts on this topic, I have been pretty clear that anyone who tries to put murders into a specific group other than the mentally ill whackadoodles group is using lazy thinking and...well...stupid.   Then RV as he does all the time escalated the lazy thinking to double down with his insane predictions and rhetoric that Christianity is responsible for millions of deaths...and I explained it was the ignorant mental gymnastics that people use to skew their viewpoints in order to use <insert any religion and/or reason here> as an excuse to commit murder...it is an excuse plain and simple.  People that murder are mentally ill whackadoodles...it's not because of a religion, not an inanimate object, not a political party, etc.  

I understand both sides like to look for a "bucket" to but people in when they commit a terrible crime like murder, and it is very common for the media to start rhetoric around this, but I stand by what I said and mean...if you kill someone you are a crazy whackadoodle...hard stop.

Well... that's a bit of an oversimplification. I don't think everyone who kills in the name of religion is just crazy.

I think Religion can be used to create zealots... as we've seen time and time again in history. 

I don't believe you have tens of millions of Muslims with mental health issues, I think they have more zealots.

 

In any event, I was responding in particular to the part where you spoke of the biggest clowns on the board. You can't make that list without Scout/Jimmy. 

[scourge165]

1 minute ago, Scouts Honor said:

you haven't even figured out that jimmy and i post nothing alike

LOL... suuuure bud!

[Scouts Honor]

but you certainly are starting to post like me

but most of your post are still much too wordy

[scourge165]

16 minutes ago, Caveira said:

100% of them committed crimes in the us.  

Well that's just objectively false and extremely ignorant. 

The people who were promised safe haven and granted TPS after working with the US Military in Afghanistan, THEY'RE here illegally?

It's illegal to enter through a legal port to seek asylum.

 

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i mean you asked ME a question.

my next two posts answered that question.

just b/c i didn't quote your question in it... im sorry..

i guess this doesn't quote you either

will you be able to figure out who i am talking to? 

[Caveira]

Just now, scourge165 said:

Well that's just objectively false and extremely ignorant. 

The people who were promised safe haven and granted TPS after working with the US Military in Afghanistan, THEY'RE here illegally?

It's illegal to enter through a legal port to seek asylum.

 

Illegal is in the title of illegal alien. 

[Scouts Honor]

depends which country they came thru if they are seeking asylum 

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29 minutes ago, scourge165 said:

Yes. Obama deported the people Trump SAID he'd deport. Those who committed crimes here. 

92% of those who he deported had committed crimes IN the United States and they got legal orders to deport them. 

41% of those Trump has deported committed crimes IN the United States.

 

But...I'm sorry, I'm confused, I thought "the Dems" were all for open borders?  Now we're criticizing Obama for deporting too many undocumented who committed crimes? That's odd. 

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/jan/09/america-dropped-26171-bombs-2016-obama-legacy

[scourge165]

3 minutes ago, Caveira said:

Illegal is in the title of illegal alien. 

Ok... and they weren't all "illegal aliens," there bud. That's the point I'm attempting...apparently with very little success to convey to you. 

 

It is LEGAL to come to the US through a legal port and seek asylum. You're entitled to a hearing.

The US also granted Protected Status to many people that Trump is not deporting.... meaning, they were NOT here illegally and claim that "100%" of those Trump OR Obama deported were illegal is...ignorant.

 

It's also obtuse to pretend you don't understand the point I was making. You're not Scout, I'm fairly sure you were capable of understanding the point(hell, Trump understood it when he said he was going to "deport the criminals first." 

 

[scourge165]

53 minutes ago, Caveira said:

 

During President Barack Obama's administration (2009–2017), the United States conducted drone strikes in several countries as part of its counterterrorism efforts. The primary countries targeted by these drone operations included:

1. Pakistan: The U.S. significantly increased drone strikes in Pakistan's tribal regions, particularly targeting areas like North and South Waziristan. These strikes aimed at dismantling al-Qaeda and Taliban networks operating along the Afghanistan-Pakistan border. thebureauinvestigates.com+2newyorker.com+2washingtonpost.com+2

2. Yemen: Drone strikes in Yemen focused on combating al-Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula (AQAP). The U.S. targeted suspected militants in various regions, including the 2013 Radda airstrike, which mistakenly hit a wedding convoy, resulting in civilian casualties. newarab.com+2en.wikipedia.org+2businessinsider.com+2

3. Somalia: Operations in Somalia targeted the militant group al-Shabaab. Notably, a 2016 strike killed approximately 150 suspected militants at a training camp.

4. Afghanistan: While drone strikes were part of broader military operations, they were extensively used to target Taliban and al-Qaeda operatives across various provinces.

5. Iraq: Drone operations in Iraq were primarily aimed at combating the rise of ISIS, especially after the group's significant territorial gains in 2014.

6. Syria: The U.S. initiated drone strikes in Syria targeting ISIS strongholds and leadership, particularly after the group established a significant presence in the region.

7. Libya: In 2011, the U.S., alongside NATO allies, conducted airstrikes, including drone operations, during the intervention against Muammar Gaddafi's regime.

Oh...wow. Thank you for answering the rhetorical question I posed!

 

So I GUESS when Scout was saying;

Quote

 

again

in recent times who is doing the killing?

who is being slaughtered?

even as we speak in africa

 

As well as;

Quote

in recent times... who has been doing the killing 

 

I guess I was under the IMPRESSION he was talking about Muslims.

 

Apparently when he critical of bombing Isis and other Islamic Fundamentalists....who knew!

[scourge165]

7 minutes ago, Scouts Honor said:

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/jan/09/america-dropped-26171-bombs-2016-obama-legacy

So...to be clear, NOW you're citing a the editorial page of the Guardian and condemning the drone attacks against Islamic Fundamentalists?

 

Man, you sure are a leftists, aren't you!

[red viking]

37 minutes ago, scourge165 said:

You're speaking in code here. 

What are you trying to say exactly?

 

I'll go first. 

Christian Fundamentalists and Muslim Fundamentalists both believe they're justified in killing in the name of God, they just use different books to justify it. 

TODAY there are a HELLUVA lot more Muslim Fundamentalists around the world than Christian. 

 

That's just a fact. I attribute it to economic factors. When you live in poor nations with very little, people turn to Faith. Western Nations with more money tend to have fewer people living in those conditions. 

Doesn't change the underlying point that there are simply most Mulims who are fundamentalists. To deny that is...to deny needing air to breath. 

 

If YOU think that makes them "true" Muslims, that's... a whole different issue. 

I don't necessarily disagree but I think what I said is fairly staight forward. ill try again though. A lot of people think "true" Christians are good but "true" Muslims are bad and mspart implied that with his choice of words in response to mine. 

The vast majority of the Muslims I met were good people.  My new neighbors seem very strongly religious (eg the wife can't shake hands w me and must cover herself in public) but I see zero signs that they want a jihad. They appear to be middle class though, to your point. 

[scourge165]

18 minutes ago, red viking said:

I don't necessarily disagree but I think what I said is fairly staight forward. ill try again though. A lot of people think "true" Christians are good but "true" Muslims are bad and mspart implied that with his choice of words in response to mine. 

The vast majority of the Muslims I met were good people.  My new neighbors seem very strongly religious (eg the wife can't shake hands w me and must cover herself in public) but I see zero signs that they want a jihad. They appear to be middle class though, to your point. 

I didn't pick up on anything like that from mspart. 

He seemed to just not want to mince words and simply said you're not a good Christian or Muslim if you kill people.

 

And sure, the Muslims YOU would know, those who live next to you, they're ALMOST always fine people. Nobody is saying being Muslim makes you worse.

I have very good friends who fled Iran(well, mostly their parents and grandparents) and then moved to India, then immigrated here. 

Great people. 

As I said, I think one of the things that contributes to tens of millions of Muslims who are fanatics is...they live in poverty. They live a hard life. Maybe that's not it. Maybe it's more culture or maybe it's because they're virtually all authoritarian. 

There's a long history of Christian Nations with Authoritarian Regimes who had a lot of fanatics living within their borders. 

And then over the last ~250 years(not exactly a coincide)... most of those "Christian" Nations became Democratic Nations and the Christian Fanaticism became far less pervasive. 

 

But never did I read what mspart said and interpret that as him saying "true" Muslims are bad but "true" Christians are good. 

Regardless, I feel like he cleared up his point by saying a Good Christian and a Good Muslim wouldn't murder. That's as balanced as you can get. 

 

Edit-

I DO disagree when he says "Christianity had nothing to do with it." Of course it did. Religion has been used to create fanatics for thousands of years. 

Edited Monday at 07:59 PM by scourge165

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23 minutes ago, scourge165 said:

So...to be clear, NOW you're citing a the editorial page of the Guardian and condemning the drone attacks against Islamic Fundamentalists?

 

Man, you sure are a leftists, aren't you!

trump bad

obama good

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33 minutes ago, scourge165 said:

Ok... and they weren't all "illegal aliens," there bud. That's the point I'm attempting...apparently with very little success to convey to you. 

 

It is LEGAL to come to the US through a legal port and seek asylum. You're entitled to a hearing.

The US also granted Protected Status to many people that Trump is not deporting.... meaning, they were NOT here illegally and claim that "100%" of those Trump OR Obama deported were illegal is...ignorant.

 

It's also obtuse to pretend you don't understand the point I was making. You're not Scout, I'm fairly sure you were capable of understanding the point(hell, Trump understood it when he said he was going to "deport the criminals first." 

 

if the country they came through couldn't have been used to seek asylum

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27 minutes ago, scourge165 said:

Oh...wow. Thank you for answering the rhetorical question I posed!

 

So I GUESS when Scout was saying;

As well as;

 

I guess I was under the IMPRESSION he was talking about Muslims.

 

Apparently when he critical of bombing Isis and other Islamic Fundamentalists....who knew!

yes, when fanatical groups start killing, someone must stop them. and yes obama stopped them at times.

But now that Trump is stopping them, it's somehow bad. 

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26 minutes ago, scourge165 said:

 

 

Man, you sure are a leftists, aren't you!

leftist.

but no, i am not.

[Scouts Honor]

i realize there may be more than one of me in your head, but i am one person.

[red viking]

2 minutes ago, Scouts Honor said:

yes, when fanatical groups start killing, someone must stop them. and yes obama stopped them at times.

But now that Trump is stopping them, it's somehow bad. 

This is stupid. Huge difference between targeted attacks on militia groups vs the country's government. Apples and oranges. 

[Scouts Honor]

it just hit me who you are.

we had a football coach here. genius.

played D1 football.

but he was such a dolt. the kids hated him. he couldn't relate to anyone. 

he couldn't speak to anyone without being condescending, and by the time he made his point most people had stopped listening.

he couldn't figure out why he didn't get the head job when the Head man retired.

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1 minute ago, red viking said:

This is stupid. Huge difference between targeted attacks on militia groups vs the country's government. Apples and oranges. 

i agree. scourge is an idiot for implying that us killing muslims is christians killing people 

[mspart]

15 minutes ago, scourge165 said:

I didn't pick up on anything like that from mspart. 

He seemed to just not want to mince words and simply said you're not a good Christian or Muslim if you kill people.

Thank you scourge for reading my post.    That was it exactcly and RV purposefully misrepresented what I wrote, it was really quite clear. 

Good Christians don't murder.   Good Muslims don't murder.   Full Stop.   Or words to that effect.  

mspart

 

[red viking]

4 minutes ago, mspart said:

Thank you scourge for reading my post.    That was it exactcly and RV purposefully misrepresented what I wrote, it was really quite clear. 

Good Christians don't murder.   Good Muslims don't murder.   Full Stop.   Or words to that effect.  

mspart

 

You originally said true Christians don't (typically or usually) do what he did. Then used the adjective "good" to talk about what what muslims don't do. Not sure if scourge caught that. 

Do "true muslims" not murder, just like "true christians?" 

Edited Monday at 08:18 PM by red viking

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1 hour ago, scourge165 said:

Yes. Obama deported the people Trump SAID he'd deport. Those who committed crimes here. 

92% of those who he deported had committed crimes IN the United States and they got legal orders to deport them. 

41% of those Trump has deported committed crimes IN the United States.

 

But...I'm sorry, I'm confused, I thought "the Dems" were all for open borders?  Now we're criticizing Obama for deporting too many undocumented who committed crimes? That's odd. 

Biden was for open borders.  He’s a Democrat last time I checked.  So ya when you voted for him that’s what you voted for.