watch out

[mspart]

12 minutes ago, red viking said:

You originally said true Christians don't (typically or usually) do what he did. Then used the adjective "good" to talk about what what muslims don't do. Not sure if scourge caught that. 

Do "true muslims" not murder, just like "true christians?" 

I did?   Did I really say that.   That's  not how I remember it. 

2 hours ago, mspart said:

A good Christian does not murder.   A good Muslim does not murder people.   Full stop. 

mspart

mspart

[JimmySpeaks]

Scroogie has failed as a father to Rv 

[scourge165]

10 minutes ago, red viking said:

You originally said true Christians don't (typically or usually) do what he did. Then used the adjective "good" to talk about what what muslims don't do. Not sure if scourge caught that. 

Do "true muslims" not murder, just like "true christians?" 

He said;

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Kudos for the security guy taking the murderer out.   Saved a lot of lives.    This is what we should be discussing, not how Christian the murderer was.   He obviously was not much of a Christian if he was willing to murder indiscriminate people in a church. 

mspart

 

There's nothing about Muslims in this post.

Then he immediately follows up by saying;

"Good Muslims don't murder. Good Christians don't murder." Full stop.

 

You're seeing things that aren't there...unless you want to show me what you're talking about.

 

That said, I don't agree, I think Religion DOES need to be discussed in these fanatics actions and I also think that'd be THEE story. If this was a Muslim. 

 

But he's been pretty consistent in the "not a good____" position. 

[1032004]

2 hours ago, Scouts Honor said:

again

in recent times who is doing the killing?

who is being slaughtered?

even as we speak in africa

I don’t mean to sound insensitive, but I don’t really see how slaughters in Africa have relevance to what’s going on in America.

Unless you’re trying to imply Biden let them all in the US or something.  But I’m pretty confident in saying the people committing those killings aren’t the ones being picked up by ICE at construction sites and Home Depot. 

[El Luchador]

1 hour ago, JimmySpeaks said:

Yes 

A president who actually murdered an American.  Now there's a crime  that's easy to overlook. 

[scourge165]

31 minutes ago, Scouts Honor said:

yes, when fanatical groups start killing, someone must stop them. and yes obama stopped them at times.

But now that Trump is stopping them, it's somehow bad. 

 

It is? Where did I say that?

In fact...I've repeatedly said just the opposite.

You're the only hypocrite here(as I pointed out yesterday when you made this argument, the day prior and the day prior). 

I've NEVER said he(Trump) was wrong to bomb Iran. 

 

You truly lack the mental capacity to carry on a coherent conversation, don't you?

[JimmySpeaks]

5 minutes ago, scourge165 said:

He said;

There's nothing about Muslims in this post.

Then he immediately follows up by saying;

"Good Muslims don't murder. Good Christians don't murder." Full stop.

 

You're seeing things that aren't there...unless you want to show me what you're talking about.

 

That said, I don't agree, I think Religion DOES need to be discussed in these fanatics actions and I also think that'd be THEE story. If this was a Muslim. 

 

But he's been pretty consistent in the "not a good____" position. 

Stop arguing with your son.  He’s not going to listen to you.  You’ve failed him as his daddy. 

[El Luchador]

2 hours ago, scourge165 said:

"Cherry picked?" It's literally the pinned video. The ONE video atop his page that was playing when I clicked on it. If that's "cherry" picking to you...well, I don't think you know what that phrase means.

 

To be clear though, this is an issue VERY close to your heart. It's so very important you can't go to Church without your Gun. The FBI is wrong on the number of "attacks on Churches," but you're right because you listen to this guy. 

 

But rather than...share them with me, you give me a homework assignment to listen to the "Christian Warriors" entire YouTube catalogue. 

 

Ok, I'm done. If you don't care enough about it to give me examples of "daily attacks on churches the media won't talk about," then...I sure as hell don't. 

I'll defer to the FBI on these numbers. 

 

This before yesterday...and... is the media covering this or...no?

I'm starting to think you're in love with this strawman. 

[scourge165]

2 minutes ago, 1032004 said:

I don’t mean to sound insensitive, but I don’t really see how slaughters in Africa have relevance to what’s going on in America.

Unless you’re trying to imply Biden let them all in the US or something.  But I’m pretty confident in saying the people committing those killings aren’t the ones being picked up by ICE at construction sites and Home Depot. 

 

Scout has lost the plot. Apparently I'm opposed to striking Iran(despite quite clearly telling him I was not in the slightest). 

He was ALSO making the argument here that it's the Muslim's who are "doing all the killing," but then took issue with Obama's drone strikes. 

 

Again, he can't seem to stay on topic or make a coherent argument as he's only going to argue the opposite of whatever I do. But that's what Jimmy/Scout does. 

[scourge165]

9 hours ago, red viking said:

Not sure but there are medical benefits I may not be able to get either, my entire family including wife are here and it may not be easy to get into a nice socialist country if I'm in my 50s. My family makes it a,deal breaker either way. Wife has family here too. 

No... that will be impossible.

There is not a single "nice socialist country."

There ARE some nice countries that are capitalist that have Universal Healthcare...not a nice socialist one.

 

Now I'm more worried for you and where you may be going. 

[red viking]

20 minutes ago, scourge165 said:

He said;

There's nothing about Muslims in this post.

Then he immediately follows up by saying;

"Good Muslims don't murder. Good Christians don't murder." Full stop.

 

You're seeing things that aren't there...unless you want to show me what you're talking about.

 

That said, I don't agree, I think Religion DOES need to be discussed in these fanatics actions and I also think that'd be THEE story. If this was a Muslim. 

 

But he's been pretty consistent in the "not a good____" position. 

He said "true christians" don't murder, like that at least. He also said "good muslims" and " good christisns" don't murder. I think he purposely avoided saying whether "true muslims" murder in that fashion. Well see if he addresss that like i asked. 

Edited 6 hours ago by red viking

[scourge165]

2 minutes ago, El Luchador said:

I'm starting to think you're in love with this strawman. 

I don't believe you know what a strawman is.

 

You said Churches are "commonly attacked," and "the media doesn't cover them."

Your evidence was... nothing. It was "The Christian Warrior" said so. 

So I said I'll rely on actual facts since you don't seem concerned with providing anything other than a link to a YouTube site where the FIRST video he talks about...is a car jacking.

That's not a strawman, that's YOUR source. 

 

When Churches are attacked...which is rare, it gets media coverage. You can keep saying strawman, but...it's lost any meaning. 

 

[scourge165]

6 minutes ago, red viking said:

He said "true christians" don't murder, like that at least. He also said "good muslims" don't murder. I think he purposely avoided saying whether " true muslims" murder in thst fashion. Well see if he addresss that like i asked. 

Red, he said the same Goddamn thing about both Religions. 

It's just that simple. He even made a point to clarify. 

But sure, lets ask, @mspartdo you think "true Muslims murder in that fashion?" Or do you think if Muslims murder in that fashion, they are not "true" Muslims?

 

For Christ sake, can you answer this so we can end this. And if I'm wrong, I'll apologize Red. But it seems abundantly clear what he was saying TO ME. 

[WrestlingRasta]

As the incredibly intelligent Ian McKellan said, in the DaVinci Code…”for as long as there has been one true God, there has been killing in his name”

[1032004]

26 minutes ago, El Luchador said:

A president who actually murdered an American.  Now there's a crime  that's easy to overlook. 

Is this the Al-Awlaki argument again?  Dude was a terrorist and I’m sure if he were alive today you’d want him deported despite being a citizen 

Edited 6 hours ago by 1032004

[scourge165]

8 minutes ago, 1032004 said:

Is this the Al-Awlaki argument again?  Dude was a terrorist and I’m sure if he were alive today you’d want him deported despite being a citizen 

Sure, if that happened today, it'd be celebrated and I don't think he actually knows what he's talking about... but Anwar, that was justified.

Abdulrahman al‑Awlaki being hit, that was not good. 

[red viking]

19 minutes ago, scourge165 said:

I don't believe you know what a strawman is.

 

You said Churches are "commonly attacked," and "the media doesn't cover them."

Your evidence was... nothing. It was "The Christian Warrior" said so. 

So I said I'll rely on actual facts since you don't seem concerned with providing anything other than a link to a YouTube site where the FIRST video he talks about...is a car jacking.

That's not a strawman, that's YOUR source. 

 

When Churches are attacked...which is rare, it gets media coverage. You can keep saying strawman, but...it's lost any meaning. 

 

You underestimate many Christians. Many of them think that true christians don't do horrible things but many true muslims do. Some even think that true mulim is jihad. 

[1032004]

6 minutes ago, scourge165 said:

Sure, if that happened today, it'd be celebrated and I don't think he actually knows what he's talking about... but Anwar, that was justified.

Abdulrahman al‑Awlaki being hit, that was not good. 

Agree 

[El Luchador]

42 minutes ago, scourge165 said:

I don't believe you know what a strawman is.

 

You said Churches are "commonly attacked," and "the media doesn't cover them."

Your evidence was... nothing. It was "The Christian Warrior" said so. 

So I said I'll rely on actual facts since you don't seem concerned with providing anything other than a link to a YouTube site where the FIRST video he talks about...is a car jacking.

That's not a strawman, that's YOUR source. 

 

When Churches are attacked...which is rare, it gets media coverage. You can keep saying strawman, but...it's lost any meaning. 

 

You make up a position I don't have then argue against it. The fact you can't see it is troubling. 

[El Luchador]

did you hear about this one today?

 

 

[scourge165]

19 minutes ago, red viking said:

You underestimate many Christians. Many of them think that true christians don't do horrible things but many true muslims do. Some even think that true mulim is jihad. 

What are you doing? Who are you arguing with?

It's NOT mspart. You keep claiming he said something he didn't.

It's not me as I've just pointed out what he said.

You want to argue about YOUR perception of what "MANY Christians think?"

 

I don't know how to do that. I WILL say...the majority of Palestinians believe in Jihad...for what it's worth...which isn't much as that's even further off-topic.

You took issue with something that was never articulated in this thread. 

[scourge165]

7 minutes ago, El Luchador said:

You make up a position I don't have then argue against it. The fact you can't see it is troubling. 

So you DIDN'T say Churches are commonly attacked and the media doesn't cover that?

Ok then...I apologize. You must have forgot saying it, but for the sake of this converstion also being over, sure, your very first post isn't a post you made and I created that strawman...

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Church attacks are common and get little media attention. 

This must be the "strawman" that I made up, right?

[El Luchador]

30 minutes ago, red viking said:

You underestimate many Christians. Many of them think that true christians don't do horrible things but many true muslims do. Some even think that true mulim is jihad. 

Which religion says  you can't lie about your  faith and Which one says it's ok? Which one  allows for marriage of a child who still plays with dolls? I don't think you want to side with the religion of peace and still maintain credibility. 

[scourge165]

8 minutes ago, El Luchador said:

did you hear about this one today?

 

 

 

Did I hear about the Church getting attacked in Syria and it not being covered?

What difference does it make? You NEVER said that! It's a Strawman argument that I apparently made up...

 

You said that 4-5 times without articulating what the "strawman" was, but...sure. 

 

And yes, I did hear about this. 

[red viking]

2 minutes ago, El Luchador said:

Which religion says  you can't lie about your  faith and Which one says it's ok? Which one  allows for marriage of a child who still plays with dolls? I don't think you want to side with the religion of peace and still maintain credibility. 

Bingo. Case in point. Have you ever read the old testament? 

Edited 5 hours ago by red viking