Will we be using the CBU-57 bomb or will Iran get to the table and negotiate. Time is running out.

[ionel]

18 minutes ago, Paul158 said:

I just hope they borrow some Bunker busters from us and wrap this thing up tonight. 

They don't have the aircraft to fly em ... we'll have to do it.  

[El Luchador]

1 minute ago, ionel said:

They don't have the aircraft to fly em ... we'll have to do it.  

What A/C is needed? 

[ionel]

2 minutes ago, El Luchador said:

What A/C is needed? 

B-2

Think they did test drop with B-52 but long haul B-2s out of Whitman is what it'll take. 

[Paul158]

4 hours ago, ionel said:

Do we warn the folks in the bunker before we bust the bunker?  I don't think you can stop a MOP once on it's way so telling them it's coming prob doesnt affect the mission.  

Looks like the only plane (Bomber) that can deliver the CBU-57 is a B-2 stealth Bomber. It is capable of delivering 2 of the bombs.

[Paul158]

1 minute ago, ionel said:

B-2

Think they did test drop with B-52 but long haul B-2s out of Whitman is what it'll take. 

You beat to it.

[ionel]

22 minutes ago, ionel said:

B-2

Think they did test drop with B-52 but long haul B-2s out of Whitman is what it'll take. 

I've flown over Whiteman (with an e, bob only gave me 15 min) and seen them.  B-2s flew the first strikes in Operation Iraqi Freedom non stop from MO.  My brother saw them flying west over Kansas on their way.  

Edited 22 hours ago by ionel

[Scouts Honor]

While Diego Garcia is an Indian Ocean base geographically separated from the Middle East, it has played a crucial role in supporting US military operations in the region, particularly in relation to the conflict with Iran and Houthi rebels in Yemen.  

Key points regarding B-2 bomber deployments rel

[Paul158]

13 minutes ago, ionel said:

I've flown over Whiteman (with an e, bob only gave me 15 min) and seen them.  B-2s flew the first strikes in Operation Iraqi Freedom non stop from MO.  My brother saw them flying west over Kansas on their way.  

Wow. Thats pretty cool. I get to see C-130's, C-140's, C-17's occasionally and a lot of helicopters. I live close to Ft. Bragg and Pope Air Force Base.

[El Luchador]

I'm surprised Israel doesn't have a long range bomber capable of delivering these. You'd think that would have been planned for before they started this.

Edited 22 hours ago by El Luchador

[ionel]

Just now, El Luchador said:

I'm surprised Israel doesn't have a long range bomber capable of delivering these. You'd think that would have been planned forever before they started this.

What is Isreal going to bomb a long way away from them? 

[El Luchador]

4 minutes ago, ionel said:

What is Isreal going to bomb a long way away from them? 

Apparently Iran.

[ionel]

6 minutes ago, El Luchador said:

Apparently Iran.

Not really long range and Israel doesn't really have a bomber per say but fighter bombers like F-35.  

[scourge165]

5 hours ago, uncle bernard said:

Damn, that's crazy. Remind me, what happened in 2018?

This is...absolutely amazing. I'm honestly not opposed to taking out the Ayatollah. I think Iran is the most Western Friendly Country in the Middle East(the people, obviously not leadership) and this COULD be a...good thing... in so much as forcing regime change is ever a good thing. But going back and saying you can't count on THEM to hold up their side of the deal when we've regularly made an about face and pulled out of the deals and THEN claiming we couldn't have access to the site that was part of the agreement we pulled out of AFTER we pulled out of...

 

When you summarize it, it's so stupid it's hard to understand how people are this stupid. 

[scourge165]

5 hours ago, uncle bernard said:

Where's that quote from? 

Whenever @ionel or someone posts a cut and pasted sentence, you can be sure they're being dishonest.

My guess would be that's from after the US pulled out of the agreement...probably long after(perhaps even this year). 

Quote

Iranian officials maintain that Iran will reverse its activities that violate the JCPOA and return to full compliance if the other parties to the deal meet their obligations under the accord. Iran’s violations of the JCPOA are largely reversible and could likely be undone within 3 months with sufficient political will.

And now the key part... the actual source;

https://www.armscontrol.org/factsheets/restoring-jcpoas-nuclear-limits

[scourge165]

4 hours ago, Scouts Honor said:

what did trump do?

did he launch the attack?

Waaaait a second.

Russia attacking the Ukraine and Palestine attacking Israel was Biden's fault...but the US actively participating in the Israel-Iran conflict is NOT on Trump?

 

I mean, I actually agree, it's not, it's just stunning the hypocrisy... particularly since YOU specifically have blamed Biden and claimed he was starting "WWIII." 

[Scouts Honor]

1 minute ago, scourge165 said:

Waaaait a second.

Russia attacking the Ukraine and Palestine attacking Israel was Biden's fault...but the US actively participating in the Israel-Iran conflict is NOT on Trump?

 

I mean, I actually agree, it's not, it's just stunning the hypocrisy... particularly since YOU specifically have blamed Biden and claimed he was starting "WWIII." 

are you saying that russia wouldn't have attacked if trump was in power? 

I agree with you.

Trump talked for 60 days. 

what more do you need? 

the iranians aren't serious people. and neither are you

is that original enough of an idea for you? 

[ionel]

38 minutes ago, Scouts Honor said:

While Diego Garcia is an Indian Ocean base geographically separated from the Middle East, it has played a crucial role in supporting US military operations in the region, particularly in relation to the conflict with Iran and Houthi rebels in Yemen.  

Key points regarding B-2 bomber deployments rel

Yeah OIF the B-2s went non stop from Whiteman to bomb run then landed Diego Garcia for remainder of operations. 

[ionel]

9 minutes ago, scourge165 said:

Whenever @ionel or someone posts a cut and pasted sentence, you can be sure they're being dishonest.

My guess would be that's from after the US pulled out of the agreement...probably long after(perhaps even this year). 

And now the key part... the actual source;

https://www.armscontrol.org/factsheets/restoring-jcpoas-nuclear-limits

I provided the reference source for statement.  Also there were other countries in the agreement so still reason to comply after we pulled out.  

[Scouts Honor]

it doesn't matter what you post... it will be refuted by the leftist talking point 

[scourge165]

7 minutes ago, Scouts Honor said:

are you saying that russia wouldn't have attacked if trump was in power? 

I agree with you.

Trump talked for 60 days. 

what more do you need? 

the iranians aren't serious people. and neither are you

Please explain the mental gymnastics you had to do in order to come to that conclusion?

Me? Nothing. The right who blamed Biden for the Russian's invading? Apparently... everything. 

"The Iranians?" They're "aren't serious people?" That's awfully strange we'd be worried about them developing a nuclear weapon then, no? (Pst...this is why you're better off just repeating others talking points). 

The Iranian people were actually the most liberal before the Ayatollah. You'd be well served to learn a bit of History. But given that trying to understand what you're saying is like trying to decode what someone who was "gifted" the joy of an extra chromosome, I'll have to assume you mean their leadership.

Which...again, still makes absolutely no sense. If they're not serious, the US need not be involved in defending Israel, in their nuclear program, in any of it... by YOUR logic, right?

 

11 minutes ago, Scouts Honor said:

is that original enough of an idea for you? 

Yes. It's so stupid and contradictory, that is appropriately original given the source!

[scourge165]

9 minutes ago, ionel said:

I provided the reference source for statement.  Also there were other countries in the agreement so still reason to comply after we pulled out.  

Yes... after the fact as you were once again being intentionally misleading. 

 

And is that a serious answer? The United States pulls out of the Iranian deal, but... since there were other countries, no reason to worry about the World's Super Power...and the Country that then took out your top military leader?

 

You're really equating the United States with the other Countries in the treaty? That's...again, just disingenuous. 

[scourge165]

11 minutes ago, Scouts Honor said:

it doesn't matter what you post... it will be refuted by the leftist talking point 

Says the guy who somehow blames Biden for the two Wars that started under his administration, but DOESN'T blame Trump for this conflict! 

Still waiting for how you concluded that I was saying "Russia wouldn't have attacked with Trump in office." IIRC, Trump was going to end these warS on Day1, right?

 

These aren't "leftist" talking points, these are actual right wing arguments and things Trump ran on and his base echoed. 

[Scouts Honor]

8 minutes ago, scourge165 said:

Please explain the mental gymnastics you had to do in order to come to that conclusion?

Me? Nothing. The right who blamed Biden for the Russian's invading? Apparently... everything. 

"The Iranians?" They're "aren't serious people?" That's awfully strange we'd be worried about them developing a nuclear weapon then, no? (Pst...this is why you're better off just repeating others talking points). 

The Iranian people were actually the most liberal before the Ayatollah. You'd be well served to learn a bit of History. But given that trying to understand what you're saying is like trying to decode what someone who was "gifted" the joy of an extra chromosome, I'll have to assume you mean their leadership.

Which...again, still makes absolutely no sense. If they're not serious, the US need not be involved in defending Israel, in their nuclear program, in any of it... by YOUR logic, right?

 

Yes. It's so stupid and contradictory, that is appropriately original given the source!

when i say the iranians.. i am saying the people who speak for their country.

if were the other way, the people who NOW speak for them, wouldn't be speaking.

so until there is a regime change, no matter who brings it about, they aren't serious.

[Scouts Honor]

10 minutes ago, scourge165 said:

Please explain the mental gymnastics you had to do in order to come to that conclusion?

M, I'll have to assume you mean their leadership.

Which...again, still makes absolutely no sense. If they're not serious, the US need not be involved in defending Israel, in their nuclear program, in any of it... by YOUR logic, right?

 

Yes. It's so stupid and contradictory, that is appropriately original given the source!

you almost made a connection.. but then Trump took up too much of your brain space 

you need a few more folds there smoothy

[Scouts Honor]

4 minutes ago, scourge165 said:

Says the guy who somehow blames Biden for the two Wars that started under his administration, but DOESN'T blame Trump for this conflict! 

Still waiting for how you concluded that I was saying "Russia wouldn't have attacked with Trump in office." IIRC, Trump was going to end these warS on Day1, right?

 

These aren't "leftist" talking points, these are actual right wing arguments and things Trump ran on and his base echoed. 

why would i BLAME trump..

he is helping the isrealis finish a job that should have been done decades ago, before Iran got so much power