Article about the rise of a Dual State

[Tripnsweep]

2 hours ago, JimmySpeaks said:

Correct. They don’t have to be.  But they are.  

I just proved they are not. You're an idiot. 

[jross]

It isn’t US and Global Studies, rather it is a Diversity and Inclusion req for each of a US and Global scope.

[red viking]

14 hours ago, mspart said:

Be specific.  How so?   Upholding the law and putting down rebellion (defacing federal buildings, breaking windows, setting fire to law enforcement vehicles generally qualify as rebellion) is something the federal government can do.   It has nothing to do with 1933 Nazi Germany.   The feds are executing the law and the crazies are going nuts and destroying things in response.   In 1933, it was the Nazi's that did the destroying things.   Very different.  

mspart

Arresting judges and threatening to arrest governors sounds very similar to the stuff Hitler was doing early on. 

[jross]

1 minute ago, red viking said:

Arresting judges and threatening to arrest governors sounds very similar to the stuff Hitler was doing early on. 

Who was arrested that did not break a law?

[JimmySpeaks]

8 hours ago, Tripnsweep said:

I just proved they are not. You're an idiot. 

You proved nothing but you keep trying.  Your clown show is fun to watch 

[Scouts Honor]

47 minutes ago, red viking said:

Arresting judges and threatening to arrest governors sounds very similar to the stuff Hitler was doing early on. 

back to the slippery slope i see 

[uncle bernard]

15 hours ago, mspart said:

 

 

Your "probablies" do not align with what jross said.   He said the ‘cultural analysis in women’s gender and sexuality studies.' class was required for her to graduate.   Not probably required.   Apparently it is not probably an option.   If it was, don't you think jross would have said that he tried to steer his daughter to take some other class or this one sounded the least horrible among a bunch of options?   Not he said this was required, in otherwords, forced.  

mspart

 

15 hours ago, jross said:

 

My daughter will almost certainly need to take at least one course addressing sex, gender, or race to meet the Diversity and Inclusion requirements for US and Global categories.  The core is great with respect to being responsible, written comms, and math.  It also requires an Identity and Society class, which likely will cover gender identity.  Level 2 requires multiple courses across culture/traditions/power/justice/sacred/secular.  Most of the courses she can choose from cover women, gender, and race with respect to Power, Education, etc.  The capstone is more of the same.

She does has choice but the choices are mostly DEI.

Where are the classes like

• "Should you start a business or work for someone else?"  
• "How to raise a family well?"
• "How to be a good citizen?"

As I was saying @mspart, @jross was exaggerating when he said the class was required. It is simply one option among many to satisfy a particular requirement, and that will only be one class among the dozens she will take to graduate. 

This is just bogus culture-war hysteria, likely stemming from his anxiety that his daughter's values won't end up being a carbon-copy of his own.

[red viking]

1 hour ago, jross said:

Who was arrested that did not break a law?

the judge in WI. He's also threatened to arrest multiple governors just because they don't do what he says. 

I think you know that he would do that if he could get away with it. 

[jross]

11 hours ago, Tripnsweep said:

This is the core requirements for an undergraduate.

I don't see anything about gender studies in there. 

 

For my daughter's college, the first required class for all students is the Identity and Society class.  I cannot find the syllabus for her course but at other colleges it says

• the many kinds of identity currently in circulation (racial, ethnic, gender, and sexual identities; illnesses identities; political identities; etc.) 

All students are also required to take at least 6 additional credits hours for Diversity & Inclusion courses, one each scoped to:

• US – A course that deals with race, ethnicity, gender, sexual orientation, religion, age and/or ability within the United States or for U.S. citizens.
• Global – A course will emphasize power, privilege and marginalization or a critical analysis of how non US cultures define and express themselves or a course that will deal with general philosophies of power, privilege and marginalization encountered in race, ethnicity, gender, orientation, religion, age and/or ability.

There are additional exploratory and capstone project course requirements largely based on DI selections.  She is able to narrowly avoid the race/gender/sex studies to meet those requirements.

[jross]

28 minutes ago, uncle bernard said:

As I was saying @mspart, @jross was exaggerating when he said the class was required. It is simply one option among many to satisfy a particular requirement, and that will only be one class among the dozens she will take to graduate. 

This is just bogus culture-war hysteria, likely stemming from his anxiety that his daughter's values won't end up being a carbon-copy of his own.

You like absolutes ;).  I have disdain for progressives over pronouns and violent activism.  The third highest word in the student poll to describe my daughter's college is 'progressive.'  She cannot graduate without taking multiple DI classes!  

 

It isn't just her to-be college.  Right-leaning news reports that 67% of colleges and universities (165:248) across America  have Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion course requirements in order to graduate.

This university makes it a clear requirement...

https://undergrad.ucsd.edu/academics/dei/index.html

 

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[jross]

28 minutes ago, red viking said:

the judge in WI.

Milwaukee County Circuit Court Judge Hannah Dugan was arrested by the FBI in April 2025 and charged with obstruction of justice and concealing an individual to prevent arrest.

Nazis took action against judges without a legal process.

Big difference there. 

[red viking]

19 minutes ago, jross said:

Milwaukee County Circuit Court Judge Hannah Dugan was arrested by the FBI in April 2025 and charged with obstruction of justice and concealing an individual to prevent arrest.

Nazis took action against judges without a legal process.

Big difference there. 

He would if he could. He simply can't get away with it, at least right now. He'd love to be Vladimir Putin or Adolf Hitler if he could 

[uncle bernard]

24 minutes ago, jross said:

You like absolutes ;).  I have disdain for progressives over pronouns and violent activism.  The third highest word in the student poll to describe my daughter's college is 'progressive.'  She cannot graduate without taking multiple DI classes!  

 

It isn't just her to-be college.  Right-leaning news reports that 67% of colleges and universities (165:248) across America  have Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion course requirements in order to graduate.

This university makes it a clear requirement...

https://undergrad.ucsd.edu/academics/dei/index.html

 

Then why did she choose to go there?

I also think your obsession with DEI is a bit strange. I'm sorry your daughter might have to listen to ideas you don't agree with, but this is college, not preschool.

[wrestlingguy]

Just now, red viking said:

He would if he could. He simply can't get away with it, at least right now. He'd love to be Vladimir Putin or Adolf Hitler if he could 

You want it so bad!! It is so sad that one person can have such an affect on you and many others. Seek help.

[jross]

21 minutes ago, uncle bernard said:

Then why did she choose to go there?

I also think your obsession with DEI is a bit strange. I'm sorry your daughter might have to listen to ideas you don't agree with, but this is college, not preschool.

The school is respected, somewhat local, and she will have the opportunity to compete in weight lifting and wrestling.

I also think your tendency to wrongfully frame narratives shows poor critical thinking.

[uncle bernard]

1 minute ago, jross said:

The school is respected, somewhat local, and she will have the opportunity to compete in weight lifting and wrestling.

I also think your tendency to wrongfully frame narratives shows poor critical thinking.

Your framing of what college is supposed to be is wrong.

It's an overall education - in the classroom and in life. That means learning about the world, even the parts you don't like. If those ideas are so wrong, being exposed to them will only make that more clear to your daughter.

One reason our society has a crisis in critical thinking is because we've been slowly moving towards the education system that you want - one that is more focused on specialized areas of knowledge rather than a broad foundation.

That's how we get to a place where you label every class with a certain word in the title "DEI," and therefore it has no value. It's close-minded. It's the opposite of what education is supposed to be about. College students shouldn't have "safe spaces" from ideas they don't like. They need to learn to engage with them because that's how the world works.

[red viking]

I have two kids in college right now. One of them is at a supposedly extremely liberal school. Neither of them are being forced to take any DEI-related classes or even being forced to deal with that as part of their mandatory classes. 

All this talk about rampant DEI on campuses are more wingers lies. 

My son ELECTED to take an LBGTQ-related class, but that was more for the fun of it because he has to take electives and his computer science major is pretty rigorous. 

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[JimmySpeaks]

2 minutes ago, red viking said:

I have two kids in college right now. One of them is at a supposedly extremely liberal school. Neither of them are being forced to take any DEI-related classes or even being forced to deal with that as part of their mandatory classes. 

All this talk about rampant DEI on campuses are more wingers lies. 

My son ELECTED to take an LBGTQ-related class, but that was more for the fun of it because he has to take electives and his computer science major is pretty rigorous. 

Shocking that an offspring of yours would take the easy, be happy and gay route 

[red viking]

3 minutes ago, JimmySpeaks said:

Shocking that an offspring of yours would take the easy, be happy and gay route 

Figured somebody like you would try to insult me by accusing my son of being gay. First of all, he's definitely not gay. Second of all, I wouldn't feel bad if he was. Your bigotry shines through here though. 

None of my kids are gay, but they are all accepting of the freedom of people to do what they want and express their own sexuality, whatever that is. 

[jross]

5 minutes ago, uncle bernard said:

Your framing of what college is supposed to be is wrong.

It's an overall education - in the classroom and in life. That means learning about the world, even the parts you don't like. If those ideas are so wrong, being exposed to them will only make that more clear to your daughter.

One reason our society has a crisis in critical thinking is because we've been slowly moving towards the education system that you want - one that is more focused on specialized areas of knowledge rather than a broad foundation.

That's how we get to a place where you label every class with a certain word in the title "DEI," and therefore it has no value. It's close-minded. It's the opposite of what education is supposed to be about. College students shouldn't have "safe spaces" from ideas they don't like. They need to learn to engage with them because that's how the world works.

A broad education doesn’t need forced DEI to include diverse perspectives.  

There are topics that many people feel are inappropriate to even hypothetically discuss because it risks normalization.

• When is Genocide a legitimate option
• Exploring Child Sexual Exploitation as Morally Acceptable
• Why Violent Extremism can be a Social Good
• Should Ritualistic Human Sacrifice be allowed in some Cultures

Forcing DEI is ideological overreach, an opinion shared by millions... and why its being pulled back.

[jross]

54 minutes ago, red viking said:

I have two kids in college right now. One of them is at a supposedly extremely liberal school. Neither of them are being forced to take any DEI-related classes or even being forced to deal with that as part of their mandatory classes. 

All this talk about rampant DEI on campuses are more wingers lies. 

My son ELECTED to take an LBGTQ-related class, but that was more for the fun of it because he has to take electives and his computer science major is pretty rigorous. 

What is true for you son about mandatory classes fits with 33% of colleges.  

[red viking]

6 minutes ago, jross said:

A broad education doesn’t need forced DEI to include diverse perspectives.  

There are topics that many people feel are inappropriate to even hypothetically discuss because it risks normalization.

• When is Genocide a legitimate option
• Exploring Child Sexual Exploitation as Morally Acceptable
• Why Violent Extremism can be a Social Good
• Should Ritualistic Human Sacrifice be allowed in some Cultures

Forcing DEI is ideological overreach, an opinion shared by millions... and why its being pulled back.

A lot of people don't understand what DEI is or its benefits. To me, the main benefits (at work) are being able to get participation from and retain talented staff that happen to be in minority groups and make sure they don't feel alienated. Almost everybody I work with, for example, happens to be white, educated and liberal. Make sure that people outside those groups feel comfortable working at my organization. 

How are you defining "DEI" here? 

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[jross]

1 minute ago, red viking said:

A lot of people don't understand what DEI is or its benefits. To me, the main benefits (at work) are being able to get participation from and retain talented staff that happen to be in minority groups. 

How are you defining "DEI" here? 

No need to revisit the debate on DEI’s definition versus its execution in this thread.  Congrats on the benefits you have seen.

[uncle bernard]

20 minutes ago, jross said:

A broad education doesn’t need forced DEI to include diverse perspectives.  

There are topics that many people feel are inappropriate to even hypothetically discuss because it risks normalization.

• When is Genocide a legitimate option
• Exploring Child Sexual Exploitation as Morally Acceptable
• Why Violent Extremism can be a Social Good
• Should Ritualistic Human Sacrifice be allowed in some Cultures

Forcing DEI is ideological overreach, an opinion shared by millions... and why its being pulled back.

Where the F are you getting these? 

I think you've lost your mind if you think any of those topics compare to "DEI" ideas.

You can't even define DEI. It's an umbrella term you use for any sort of social value you don't like. 

[Caveira]

2 hours ago, red viking said:

the judge in WI. He's also threatened to arrest multiple governors just because they break federal law   

Ftfy