Article about the rise of a Dual State

[Offthemat]

4 minutes ago, uncle bernard said:

You can't even put coherent thoughts together.

At least I have coherent thoughts. 

[wrestlingguy]

2 minutes ago, uncle bernard said:

I think you need to log off then because I highly doubt this ever has or ever will affect your life. Billions of people around the world ignore it every day.

You are ignoring the fact that they WANT the attention. They beg people to address them as something they aren't and then when people don't play along they lose their minds. Their delusion doesn't make it anyone else's reality. At least gender dysphoria is an actual condition, unlike the preferred pronoun nonsense.

[Tripnsweep]

2 hours ago, jross said:

That's an opinion not grounded in facts.  The claim that diverse friendships alone make students lean left ignores how liberal professors, campus rules, and woke cultural trends push progressive ideas. Helping my daughter plan her college courses, I rolled my eyes to see she’s forced to study ‘cultural analysis in women’s gender and sexuality studies.' It’s not just frat boys staying conservative... plenty of us, especially guys drawn to traditional values like strength and independence, hold firm despite campus pressures.  The older I get and the more diversity I experience, I’m more empathetic but also more conservative, even finding Christianity’s moral clarity appealing as an agnostic.

I don't believe that for a second. Nobody is forcing anyone to take a class like that they don't want to. Unless your daughter is majoring in gender studies or something like that. Now it may be on a list of classes to fulfill a requirement but nobody is forcing anyone to take that class. I took a similar sounding class in my second to last semester because I was an idiot and needed a class that met a requirement and that was all they had because I didn't register sooner. Mostly it was just about how there's differences in social norms between genders. Nothing exactly earth shattering. The professor who began the semester teaching stopped showing up after like the 3rd week, and they assigned some pencil pusher from the sociology department to fill in. It wasn't anything radically political or even approaching it. 

[mspart]

27 minutes ago, uncle bernard said:

Should colleges be allowed to teach a class on Christianity? What about free-market economics? Conservatism? Marxism? Mormonism? Anarchism? Authoritarianism?

The topic you disagree with jross is not about what should or could be taught in a college.   It is what is required to graduate.  Why would the class jross objects to be a requirement to graduate?   Just like why would the classes you list above be a requirement to graduate? 

mspart

[JimmySpeaks]

57 minutes ago, uncle bernard said:

I think you're spending too much time on the internet if you think this is true.

My college friend group included a communist and an investment banker. The three of us are going on a trip at the end of the month!

And I'll point the finger at myself here too. Most conservatives probably aren't hyper-agitated culture warriors like the crew on here. Most of them just live normal lives. It's good practice to remember that. The same goes for liberals. 

If you act normal towards other people, they'll act normal towards you, most of the time. If you constantly find yourself in conflict with people you disagree with, you probably only need to look in the mirror to find out why.

When was the last time you looked in the mirror.  It’s all you do on here. 

[uncle bernard]

5 minutes ago, mspart said:

The topic you disagree with jross is not about what should or could be taught in a college.   It is what is required to graduate.  Why would the class jross objects to be a requirement to graduate?   Just like why would the classes you list above be a requirement to graduate? 

mspart

They aren't, but that class probably isn't either. It's probably an option, among a bunch of classes, that could count for a specific required gen ed. 

[uncle bernard]

31 minutes ago, wrestlingguy said:

You are ignoring the fact that they WANT the attention. They beg people to address them as something they aren't and then when people don't play along they lose their minds. Their delusion doesn't make it anyone else's reality. At least gender dysphoria is an actual condition, unlike the preferred pronoun nonsense.

Again, I think you need to log off. Just ignore them. 

[Scouts Honor]

 

[wrestlingguy]

6 minutes ago, uncle bernard said:

Again, I think you need to log off. Just ignore them. 

If I ignore them does the T in LGBTQIA+ disappear? Would that be considered a hate crime?

[uncle bernard]

Without knowing the actual school, I can't get too specific, but here are Iowa's Gen Ed Requirements: https://catalog.registrar.uiowa.edu/liberal-arts-sciences/general-education-program/

As you can see, there are 100s of classes that meet the requirements, allowing students to choose what they're most interested in. This is how it's set up at most colleges. For some examples:

Students can satisfy the "Values and Society" requirement with anything from "Food in America" to "Gender and Society" to "Ancient Sports and Leisure." In "Understanding Cultural Perspectives" students have options from "The Soundtrack of Black America" to "Anne Frank and her Story" to "The Italian American Experience."

If your daughter is taking the class, it's probably because she wants to, whether it's because she's interested in the topic or it fits her schedule the best.

 

[uncle bernard]

4 minutes ago, wrestlingguy said:

If I ignore them does the T in LGBTQIA+ disappear? Would that be considered a hate crime?

Nope, because surprisingly the world doesn't entirely revolve around you. They'll be there whether you pay attention or not.

[uncle bernard]

23 minutes ago, mspart said:

The topic you disagree with jross is not about what should or could be taught in a college.   It is what is required to graduate.  Why would the class jross objects to be a requirement to graduate?   Just like why would the classes you list above be a requirement to graduate? 

mspart

Because it makes you a more well-rounded student who can engage and analyze information across a variety of topics, and therefore, are better prepared to be successful in life.

This might surprise you, but this is how education has always been structured. 100 years ago, students were required to read Virgil in the original Latin or Homer in the Greek despite never having any need to do so "in the real world." Why? Because it made them smarter.

[wrestlingguy]

1 minute ago, uncle bernard said:

Nope, because surprisingly the world doesn't entirely revolve around you. They'll be there whether you pay attention or not.

The world must revolve around the Trans. "You must refer to me as something I am clearly not or I will throw a royal fit like the severe narcissist I am."  

[mspart]

4 hours ago, jross said:

That's an opinion not grounded in facts.  The claim that diverse friendships alone make students lean left ignores how liberal professors, campus rules, and woke cultural trends push progressive ideas. Helping my daughter plan her college courses, I rolled my eyes to see she’s forced to study ‘cultural analysis in women’s gender and sexuality studies.' It’s not just frat boys staying conservative... plenty of us, especially guys drawn to traditional values like strength and independence, hold firm despite campus pressures.  The older I get and the more diversity I experience, I’m more empathetic but also more conservative, even finding Christianity’s moral clarity appealing as an agnostic.

 

44 minutes ago, mspart said:

The topic you disagree with jross is not about what should or could be taught in a college.   It is what is required to graduate.  Why would the class jross objects to be a requirement to graduate?   Just like why would the classes you list above be a requirement to graduate? 

mspart

 

38 minutes ago, uncle bernard said:

They aren't, but that class probably isn't either. It's probably an option, among a bunch of classes, that could count for a specific required gen ed. 

Your "probablies" do not align with what jross said.   He said the ‘cultural analysis in women’s gender and sexuality studies.' class was required for her to graduate.   Not probably required.   Apparently it is not probably an option.   If it was, don't you think jross would have said that he tried to steer his daughter to take some other class or this one sounded the least horrible among a bunch of options?   Not he said this was required, in otherwords, forced.  

mspart

[red viking]

This is very similar to 1933 Nazi Germany. 

[mspart]

Be specific.  How so?   Upholding the law and putting down rebellion (defacing federal buildings, breaking windows, setting fire to law enforcement vehicles generally qualify as rebellion) is something the federal government can do.   It has nothing to do with 1933 Nazi Germany.   The feds are executing the law and the crazies are going nuts and destroying things in response.   In 1933, it was the Nazi's that did the destroying things.   Very different.  

mspart

[Tripnsweep]

2 minutes ago, mspart said:

Be specific.  How so?   Upholding the law and putting down rebellion (defacing federal buildings, breaking windows, setting fire to law enforcement vehicles generally qualify as rebellion) is something the federal government can do.   It has nothing to do with 1933 Nazi Germany.   The feds are executing the law and the crazies are going nuts and destroying things in response.   In 1933, it was the Nazi's that did the destroying things.   Very different.  

mspart

So why did Trump pardon people who attempted to overthrow the transfer of power after a legitimate election he lost? Does beating up cops and rioting inside the US Capitol sound like something people should get away with because their actions were cheered on by the current person occupying the white House? 

[mspart]

Nice change of subject.   That is defacto agreement with my premise.   Thank you.

mspart

[jross]

My daughter will almost certainly need to take at least one course addressing sex, gender, or race to meet the Diversity and Inclusion requirements for US and Global categories.  The core is great with respect to being responsible, written comms, and math.  It also requires an Identity and Society class, which likely will cover gender identity.  Level 2 requires multiple courses across culture/traditions/power/justice/sacred/secular.  Most of the courses she can choose from cover women, gender, and race with respect to Power, Education, etc.  The capstone is more of the same.

She does has choice but the choices are mostly DEI.

Where are the classes like

• "Should you start a business or work for someone else?"  
• "How to raise a family well?"
• "How to be a good citizen?"

[mspart]

Where are the classes like

• "Should you start a business or work for someone else?"   Don't work and don't pay your student loans.
• "How to raise a family well?"    Rather how not to get stuck with a spouse and kid.
• "How to be a good citizen?"   Rather, how to be a good activist.

jross, you are living in the past man.   Good citizen?  Raise a family? Occupation?   In this day of the government owes me everything and I own them nothing?   You are seriously outdated, but right on.

msspart

[JimmySpeaks]

42 minutes ago, Tripnsweep said:

So why did Trump pardon people who attempted to overthrow the transfer of power after a legitimate election he lost? Does beating up cops and rioting inside the US Capitol sound like something people should get away with because their actions were cheered on by the current person occupying the white House? 

Attempted over throw.  Bahahahahahahhahahahaha 

[mspart]

2 minutes ago, JimmySpeaks said:

Attempted over throw.  Bahahahahahahhahahahaha 

If they say it enough it will be true.   They learned that from Goebbels.   Talking about leaning nazi. 

mspart

[Tripnsweep]

3 hours ago, jross said:

 

My daughter will almost certainly need to take at least one course addressing sex, gender, or race to meet the Diversity and Inclusion requirements for US and Global categories.  The core is great with respect to being responsible, written comms, and math.  It also requires an Identity and Society class, which likely will cover gender identity.  Level 2 requires multiple courses across culture/traditions/power/justice/sacred/secular.  Most of the courses she can choose from cover women, gender, and race with respect to Power, Education, etc.  The capstone is more of the same.

She does has choice but the choices are mostly DEI.

Where are the classes like

• "Should you start a business or work for someone else?"  
• "How to raise a family well?"
• "How to be a good citizen?"

You just answered your own question. US and Global studies is pretty universal, and there are a lot of classes that fall under that category. They don't have to be about gender studies. 

[Tripnsweep]

This is the core requirements for an undergraduate.

I don't see anything about gender studies in there. 

[JimmySpeaks]

9 minutes ago, Tripnsweep said:

You just answered your own question. US and Global studies is pretty universal, and there are a lot of classes that fall under that category. They don't have to be about gender studies. 

Correct. They don’t have to be.  But they are.