All this transgender athlete fuss lately. . .

[Interviewed_at_Weehawken]

Here we are on page 4 and rapidly growing!  Funny how a large percentage of early posts were by people saying the issue is overblown... as they were overblowing the size of the thread about how overblown it is!

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[1032004]

2 minutes ago, Interviewed_at_Weehawken said:

Here we are on page 4 and rapidly growing!  Funny how a large percentage of early posts were by people saying the issue is overblown... as they were overblowing the size of the thread about how overblown it is!

And we’ve even had people register for the forum today to tell us how huge of an issue it is apparently

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[dhay79]

Just now, 1032004 said:

And we’ve even had people register for the forum today to tell us how huge of an issue it is apparently

And yet you keep responding.  I guess this issue is pretty important to you, huh? 

[1032004]

23 minutes ago, dhay79 said:

And yet you keep responding.  I guess this issue is pretty important to you, huh? 

No it’s not.  But I enjoy responding to various threads on here.  My initial response was trying to actually stay on topic. How about you, do you think we’ll see a trans female wrestler at Worlds or Olympics soon?

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[dhay79]

15 minutes ago, 1032004 said:

No it’s not.  But I enjoy responding to various threads on here.  My initial response was trying to actually stay on topic. How about you, do you think we’ll see a trans female wrestler at Worlds or Olympics soon?

Thankfully, because people are more attuned to this issue now, I do not believe we will be seeing a biological male competing against women in the Worlds or Olympics anytime soon.  

[BigRedFan]

1 hour ago, Caveira said:

And you expect mentally ill people who literally think they need to change their genders to play sports in the same #s/%s as normal people.

This says everything you need to know about Caveira, and why there really isn't any reason to engage them on this subject (or a bunch of other non-wrestling subjects, no doubt).

[Tripnsweep]

15 minutes ago, BigRedFan said:

This says everything you need to know about Caveira, and why there really isn't any reason to engage them on this subject (or a bunch of other non-wrestling subjects, no doubt).

He'll come back and post using his alt account to support himself. 

[pokemonster]

Pretty complicated topic that is most definitely overblown by some select few outrage farmers online. Targeting and bullying these trans children online is freaking disgusting. I’m not sure what the answer is, but leave these kids alone. Quit calling these children mentally ill and have some damn sympathy. 

If you simply go off of biological sex, then you run into the issue of trans males whooping on women. You also have trans women athletes who most definitely will get whooped by men who are not transitioning due to their altered hormone levels. If you start testing hormone levels, you run into issues where actual bio women have high testosterone, bio men have low testosterone so then are they allowed to supplement with exogenous T or estrogen treatments? Are they then banned from competition, forced to change divisions, or forced to take hormone modifying drugs to get their levels within the certain window? What about intersex individuals with complex situations, where there really isn’t an answer on them. Is there a trans division that is created? This certainly wouldn’t have enough competitors, meaning they simply can’t compete at all. 

Id love to hear suggestions for how to answer the above. But I do believe the locker room talk is overblown. Do kids even have community showers anymore? Are kids getting butt naked in front of each other? That didn’t even happen when I was in high school at an all dudes school, everyone just showered at home. I’d be willing to bet that forcing a transitioned male to female high schooler into a dude’s locker room would be worse and result in more opportunity for bad situations. 

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[pokemonster]

25 minutes ago, pokemonster said:

Pretty complicated topic that is most definitely overblown by some select few outrage farmers online. Targeting and bullying these trans children online is freaking disgusting. I’m not sure what the answer is, but leave these kids alone. Quit calling these children mentally ill and have some damn sympathy. 

If you simply go off of biological sex, then you run into the issue of trans males whooping on women. You also have trans women athletes who most definitely will get whooped by men who are not transitioning due to their altered hormone levels. If you start testing hormone levels, you run into issues where actual bio women have high testosterone, bio men have low testosterone so then are they allowed to supplement with exogenous T or estrogen treatments? Are they then banned from competition, forced to change divisions, or forced to take hormone modifying drugs to get their levels within the certain window? What about intersex individuals with complex situations, where there really isn’t an answer on them. Is there a trans division that is created? This certainly wouldn’t have enough competitors, meaning they simply can’t compete at all. 

Id love to hear suggestions for how to answer the above. But I do believe the locker room talk is overblown. Do kids even have community showers anymore? Are kids getting butt naked in front of each other? That didn’t even happen when I was in high school at an all dudes school, everyone just showered at home. I’d be willing to bet that forcing a transitioned male to female high schooler into a dude’s locker room would be worse and result in more opportunity for bad situations. 

Replying to add that I do think it’s an unfair advantage to be born a male and compete against women. But I don’t necessarily see a fair solution. 

[okokzach]

1 hour ago, pokemonster said:

Pretty complicated topic that is most definitely overblown by some select few outrage farmers online. Targeting and bullying these trans children online is freaking disgusting. I’m not sure what the answer is, but leave these kids alone. Quit calling these children mentally ill and have some damn sympathy. 

If you simply go off of biological sex, then you run into the issue of trans males whooping on women. You also have trans women athletes who most definitely will get whooped by men who are not transitioning due to their altered hormone levels. If you start testing hormone levels, you run into issues where actual bio women have high testosterone, bio men have low testosterone so then are they allowed to supplement with exogenous T or estrogen treatments? Are they then banned from competition, forced to change divisions, or forced to take hormone modifying drugs to get their levels within the certain window? What about intersex individuals with complex situations, where there really isn’t an answer on them. Is there a trans division that is created? This certainly wouldn’t have enough competitors, meaning they simply can’t compete at all. 

Id love to hear suggestions for how to answer the above. But I do believe the locker room talk is overblown. Do kids even have community showers anymore? Are kids getting butt naked in front of each other? That didn’t even happen when I was in high school at an all dudes school, everyone just showered at home. I’d be willing to bet that forcing a transitioned male to female high schooler into a dude’s locker room would be worse and result in more opportunity for bad situations. 

One question I have is if there should be a distinction between male-to-female trans athletes that transitioned before vs after puberty. I think if they transitioned before puberty they should definitely be able to compete alongside all other girls. If they transitioned after puberty, maybe there's an argument for not allowing it. 

I think for almost every sport, anyone of any sex or gender who wants to compete with men should be allowed to. 

I think intersex individuals should be free to compete with the group they identify as. Maybe there are exceptions to this that I haven't considered, but the women I've read about like Semenya, I think should be able to compete with women. It may be a competitive advantage, but I think that's okay. I don't know of an elite athlete who doesn't have physical advantages that help them be elite. 

[alex1fly]

On 6/9/2025 at 4:20 AM, buckshot said:

Never has so much time been spent talking about something that hardly ever happens. 

100%

In the real world (so not your phone/tv/computer/radio) transgender athletes are treated on a case by case basis. Let the sports administrators do their jobs and stop getting baited into being mad about something that rarely happens and when it does, the people that it actually affects tend to not care or are in support of it.

On 6/8/2025 at 10:07 PM, Tripnsweep said:

There's not some run of men claiming to be women just for a chance at athletic success. 

Exactly "Ah yes I will get gender reassignment surgery (painful, expensive, and I'll get ostracized by society) so I can go compete against women for HARDLY ANY GLORY OR MONEY" said nobody 

[Interviewed_at_Weehawken]

13 hours ago, okokzach said:

One question I have is if there should be a distinction between male-to-female trans athletes that transitioned before vs after puberty. I think if they transitioned before puberty they should definitely be able to compete alongside all other girls. If they transitioned after puberty, maybe there's an argument for not allowing it. 

I think for almost every sport, anyone of any sex or gender who wants to compete with men should be allowed to. 

I think intersex individuals should be free to compete with the group they identify as. Maybe there are exceptions to this that I haven't considered, but the women I've read about like Semenya, I think should be able to compete with women. It may be a competitive advantage, but I think that's okay. I don't know of an elite athlete who doesn't have physical advantages that help them be elite. 

She has testes, does she not?

[wrestlingguy]

16 minutes ago, alex1fly said:

let the sports administrators do their jobs

I don't envy the administrators. Its a no win situation. If they say that the boy can't compete with the girls they are labeled as a transphobe.

If they let the boy compete against the girls they are labeled woke.

 

[okokzach]

1 hour ago, Interviewed_at_Weehawken said:

She has testes, does she not?

Yes, from what I've read she has internal testes and a vagina. 

[mspart]

16 hours ago, pokemonster said:

Pretty complicated topic that is most definitely overblown by some select few outrage farmers online. Targeting and bullying these trans children online is freaking disgusting.

This is true and it is wrong.   No one should be targeted and bullied.  

mspart

[mspart]

16 hours ago, pokemonster said:

Replying to add that I do think it’s an unfair advantage to be born a male and compete against women. But I don’t necessarily see a fair solution. 

The solution is to not allow it.   There is a reason there are boys and girls sports.   The one is for boys, and the other is for girls.  It is quite simple.  

mspart

[MPhillips]

10 minutes ago, mspart said:

It is quite simple.  

It's like you haven't read any of the posts' here.

[mspart]

It's like I've read this thread and have responded to items before.   The issue for the trans individual is very complicated I agree.   There is plenty of mental issues involved and if they do transition, a lifetime of mental/psychological therapy that I would wish on no one.   But that does not mean participation in sports is complicated. 

My issues are these:

1.   No boys in girls bathrooms and no girls in boys bathrooms.   Locker rooms are the same. 

2.   No boys playing against girls in girls sports.   I would prefer that girls not play against boys in boys sports.   The physical advantage is not there and there is the element of risk of injury due to this that is the reason there are boys and girls sports.   In my mind, the girl is making the decision to compete against stronger and faster athletes.   The girls on a team are not making the decision to play against a stronger and faster athlete when a boy enters the scene.   It is being forced on them.  And from what I have seen, if they complain they are shamed and bullied into submission by admin and coaches.  That is just as wrong as  bullying trans folks.   

3.  This is simple with regard to sports, bathrooms, and locker rooms.  

It is incomprehensible to me that people support boys and men competing against girls and women in girl's and women's sports.   It makes no sense to me.  

mspart

 

 

[JimmyCinnabon]

On 6/8/2025 at 3:48 PM, Wrasslin said:

has gotten me wondering. . . 

• Is this yet another reason Muslim wrestling countries/areas think western countries are completely insane?

Discuss . . .

I doubt it. 

[JimmyCinnabon]

On 6/8/2025 at 4:04 PM, Le duke said:

Correct.

The only transgender athlete that I can think of that actually transitioned and then went to the Olympics was Laurel Hubbard, a Kiwi weightlifter. She DNPd at 87kg+ in Tokyo.


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That's probably because transgender people make up less than 1% of the population. And then when you factor in how many of that insanely small group are good athletes you end up with a literal handful of actual people who are trans athletes that we would even need to consider as to whether they can compete or not. It's yet another non-issue blown up to be a boogeyman. 

[Seanyd]

Is Beau's wife trans?

[Tripnsweep]

43 minutes ago, Seanyd said:

Is Beau's wife trans?

Who cares? 

[Seanyd]

49 minutes ago, Tripnsweep said:

Who cares? 

Me, that's why I asked rum dum.

[Tripnsweep]

9 minutes ago, Seanyd said:

Me, that's why I asked rum dum.

I don't think it's something you should really care about. What is it to you? 

[pokemonster]

3 hours ago, mspart said:

It's like I've read this thread and have responded to items before.   The issue for the trans individual is very complicated I agree.   There is plenty of mental issues involved and if they do transition, a lifetime of mental/psychological therapy that I would wish on no one.   But that does not mean participation in sports is complicated. 

My issues are these:

1.   No boys in girls bathrooms and no girls in boys bathrooms.   Locker rooms are the same.

3.  This is simple with regard to sports, bathrooms, and locker rooms.  

It is incomprehensible to me that people support boys and men competing against girls and women in girl's and women's sports.   It makes no sense to me.  

mspart

 

 

Is it that simple though? Tell me which ones should be using the women’s bathroom and locker room… is the fear that one is going to assault others? Flash others their privates? 

 

 

 

Edited June 10 by pokemonster