Spencer vs Robles at 125

[Jimmy Cinnabon]

How does prime Lee vs prime Robles play out?  Robles ragdolled McDonough but this is Spencer Freakin’ Lee here. 

[BruceyB]

I haven't rewatched the McDonough and Robles match in a long time. Robles really didn't do a thing those last 4 minutes.

Robles never gets on top of Spencer. Spencer wins.

The real question is could Spencer tilt Robles? 

[Hammerlock3]

1 hour ago, Jimmy Cinnabon said:

How does prime Lee vs prime Robles play out?  Robles ragdolled McDonough but this is Spencer Freakin’ Lee here. 

i don't remember another match where I guy got one top went up by 12, other guy gets on top and he's up by 12 now...then the third period happens.

[Seanyd]

Best college season vs best college season, Spencer pins him.

[Jimmy Cinnabon]

1 hour ago, BruceyB said:

I haven't rewatched the McDonough and Robles match in a long time. Robles really didn't do a thing those last 4 minutes.

Robles never gets on top of Spencer. Spencer wins.

The real question is could Spencer tilt Robles? 

Robles could always pick top

[ionel]

1 hour ago, Jimmy Cinnabon said:

How does prime Lee vs prime Robles play out?  Robles ragdolled McDonough but this is Spencer Freakin’ Lee here. 

Prob pins him ... Spencer was pinned by lesser wrestlers. 

[Mr. PeanutButter]

1 hour ago, ionel said:

Prob pins him ... Spencer was pinned by lesser wrestlers. 

Robles had at least 23 losses. At least a dozen of those were to wrestlers "lesser" than any who beat Lee

[ionel]

9 minutes ago, Mr. PeanutButter said:

Robles had at least 23 losses. At least a dozen of those were to wrestlers "lesser" than any who beat Lee

You are messing up a good jimmy thread there Mr. PB.  

[Hammerlock3]

22 minutes ago, Mr. PeanutButter said:

Robles had at least 23 losses. At least a dozen of those were to wrestlers "lesser" than any who beat Lee

 

12 minutes ago, ionel said:

You are messing up a good jimmy thread there Mr. PB.  

No hold on, i think he's using the Gable argument, peak Robles against....any Lee post 2015 or something.

[Tripnsweep]

Robles would win. Unless you've wrestled him there's no way to really prepare for it. It's not that Lee isn't a great wrestler, it's that Robles presents a whole set of challenges you can't really replicate in practice, unless you practice with him. I think it would play out similar to how McDonough played out. 

[GimJustafan]

On 6/6/2025 at 7:20 PM, ionel said:

Prob pins him ... Spencer was pinned by lesser wrestlers. 

NY native Piccininni was no slouch / 4 x big 12 champ 3x AA

[CHROMEBIRD]

On 6/7/2025 at 6:51 AM, Tripnsweep said:

Robles would win. Unless you've wrestled him there's no way to really prepare for it. It's not that Lee isn't a great wrestler, it's that Robles presents a whole set of challenges you can't really replicate in practice, unless you practice with him. I think it would play out similar to how McDonough played out. 

Spencer says he literally never gameplans and just goes out and does his thing, and I agree that going against Robles you'd need a strategy. I could see Spencer putting Robles on the tilt-o-rama as much as I could imagine Robles catching and cradling him up. Would be an interesting matchup of freakish strength either way.

[JimmyCinnabon]

I have never seen someone like senior Robles at 125lbs, not even Spencer Lee. He was built like a 165lber. It was absolutely insane watching him ragdoll everyone. I don't think any 125lber in the history of the NCAA can beat that senior Robles. 

[boconnell]

On 6/6/2025 at 4:06 PM, Seanyd said:

Best college season vs best college season, Spencer pins him.

What season is that for Spencer?  2021 was his only undefeated title and he won 12 matches total and he didn't have a pin at Nationals.  Spencer was incredible but I'm not seeing how you think his best season is much better than Robles' best.

Edited yesterday at 06:36 PM by boconnell

[BruceyB]

54 minutes ago, JimmyCinnabon said:

I have never seen someone like senior Robles at 125lbs, not even Spencer Lee. He was built like a 165lber. It was absolutely insane watching him ragdoll everyone. I don't think any 125lber in the history of the NCAA can beat that senior Robles. 

Ah yes, the ragdolling that lead to regular decisions in the quarters, semis, and finals. I'll never forget when he beat unseeded Ben Kjar 4-2 in the semis. Was that the same moment when you realized no 125lber would ever be able to beat him?

[neweruser69]

Interesting match-up for sure.

Definitely see Robles turning Spencer when he's on top.

But then again Spencer is the strongest 125 OTA so maybe Robles wouldn't be able to hold him like everyone else.

 

Give me 125LB Michigan Suriano over either. 

 

[BruceyB]

27 minutes ago, neweruser69 said:

Interesting match-up for sure.

Definitely see Robles turning Spencer when he's on top.

But then again Spencer is the strongest 125 OTA so maybe Robles wouldn't be able to hold him like everyone else.

 

Give me 125LB Michigan Suriano over either. 

 

He couldn't turn Patterson or Kjar despite earning riding time in both matches, but he turns Spencer Lee. Got it.

[ionel]

4 hours ago, JimmyCinnabon said:

I have never seen someone like senior Robles at 125lbs, not even Spencer Lee. He was built like a 165lber. It was absolutely insane watching him ragdoll everyone. I don't think any 125lber in the history of the NCAA can beat that senior Robles. 

Wait ... is that you Jimmy? 

[pawrestler]

5 hours ago, BruceyB said:

He couldn't turn Patterson or Kjar despite earning riding time in both matches, but he turns Spencer Lee. Got it.

Off the top of my head hadn’t they wrestled him before? My thought is Spencer could take the second match, but the first like McD would be rough 

[neweruser69]

21 hours ago, BruceyB said:

He couldn't turn Patterson or Kjar despite earning riding time in both matches, but he turns Spencer Lee. Got it.

And then he turned 2X Champ Mcdonough in the finals soo your point is moo...

[BruceyB]

15 minutes ago, neweruser69 said:

And then he turned 2X Champ Mcdonough in the finals soo your point is moo...

My point is that he did not turn everyone he wrestled, and there is a legitimate chance he doesn't turn Spencer Lee. I think people remember his dominance as greater than it was. He had an amazing and statistically dominant season, but people talk like he got on top of McDonough and he turned him into oblivion. He got a takedown and two turns in the first period and then hung onto wrists and stalled the rest of the match. He was taken down in the Patterson match and stalled a good chunk of that match as well. Robles will always be a legend for what he accomplished, but I think time has made him into a more unbeatable wrestler than he actually was.

Edit: Also, don't forget that McDonough was a 1x champ at the time who on his route to winning in 2010 only faced 1 seeded wrestler (#5 Andrew Long in the finals).

Edited 6 hours ago by BruceyB

[Interviewed_at_Weehawken]

On 6/6/2025 at 5:58 PM, BruceyB said:

I haven't rewatched the McDonough and Robles match in a long time. Robles really didn't do a thing those last 4 minutes.

Robles never gets on top of Spencer. Spencer wins.

The real question is could Spencer tilt Robles? 

The problem was : Spencer was pretty much "auto bottom."  Was the Ramos semi the only time in his career that he took top?  Or one of the few?