White Conservatives are the biggest threat

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"Ultra MAGA"

https://dailyboulder.com/gop-silent-as-mormon-church-gunman-identified-as-ultra-maga-trump-supporter/

 

[mspart]

Maga or no, I'm glad he won't be hurting anyone else. 

mspart

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4 hours ago, uncle bernard said:

Can you please post the link when you make these claims? Makes it easier for everybody to evaluate sources and/or be more informed.

you asked double half to do the same right?

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4 hours ago, Doublehalf said:

Proof or it didn't happen.

same same

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32 minutes ago, mspart said:

Maga or no, I'm glad he won't be hurting anyone else. 

mspart

oh they waxed him?

good.

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4 hours ago, Tripnsweep said:

He just makes things up and hopes it's true. 

says the guy who likes the term ultra maga

[Tripnsweep]

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/sep/29/mormon-church-shooting-trump-sign

 

[Caveira]

39 arrests.   25 felonies.  Someone on the left defend why he wasn’t in prison?   Now she’s dead and was killed in horrific circumstances.  @1032004 @Tripnsweep @red viking @uncle bernard

 

[uncle bernard]

10 hours ago, Caveira said:

39 arrests.   25 felonies.  Someone on the left defend why he wasn’t in prison?   Now she’s dead and was killed in horrific circumstances.  @1032004 @Tripnsweep @red viking @uncle bernard

 

I'm having a hard time finding records of his various arrests/crimes. Looks like he served several years in prison in addition to shorter stays and followed the rules of his probation when released. He was on probation at the time of these crimes.

I'm also seeing that there was a major clerical error that may have led to him getting lighter sentences than he should have (finger prints weren't properly recorded so past history did not show up on his record properly?). That's on the police, prosecutor, and judge. I have no problem holding those people accountable. American law enforcement doesn't get nearly enough scrutiny for how often they show themselves to be lazy and incompetent.

From what I can see (and please post more information if you find it), this crime was a serious escalation in violence. He was repeatedly charged, convicted, and imprisoned for past crimes. I am not in favor of a 3 strikes system. I think, on balance, it does more harm than good, though it would have prevented this specific tragedy. These are the tradeoffs of freedom. 

Horrible tragedy and my heart breaks for the family. Fortunately, justice will be done.

[uncle bernard]

Side note on the state of American journalism - really disappointing that I can't find a simple timeline of charges, convictions, jail time, etc...Would not be difficult for a journalist to do, and yet...For how much outrage there is about this case online, the people pushing their stories are doing us all a terrible disservice by not actually outlining the case. I guess all that matters is that the headline gets clicks.

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also about this mormon hater

maga doesn't say anything about mormons.

the guy did this of his own free will.

hell it could have been MY MOM

she hates mormons

she gets all these crazy ideas about people

(about just about everything, but politics as well)

btw, she hates trump and is becoming more and more leftist

[Caveira]

3 hours ago, uncle bernard said:

I'm having a hard time finding records of his various arrests/crimes. Looks like he served several years in prison in addition to shorter stays and followed the rules of his probation when released. He was on probation at the time of these crimes.

I'm also seeing that there was a major clerical error that may have led to him getting lighter sentences than he should have (finger prints weren't properly recorded so past history did not show up on his record properly?). That's on the police, prosecutor, and judge. I have no problem holding those people accountable. American law enforcement doesn't get nearly enough scrutiny for how often they show themselves to be lazy and incompetent.

From what I can see (and please post more information if you find it), this crime was a serious escalation in violence. He was repeatedly charged, convicted, and imprisoned for past crimes. I am not in favor of a 3 strikes system. I think, on balance, it does more harm than good, though it would have prevented this specific tragedy. These are the tradeoffs of freedom. 

Horrible tragedy and my heart breaks for the family. Fortunately, justice will be done.

This is what I found.   Loves to use weapons when robbing people.  Breaking into homes / buildings.  He Even set someone’s house on fire.  Seems like a cool guy 

• Grand larceny — value $10,000 or more (Charge / arrest in 2014). 

• Breaking into auto / tanks where fuel stored — 10 counts of this (2013 cycle). 

• Grand larceny (separate charge/cycle). 

• Receiving goods represented as stolen / receiving stolen property (felony). 

• Grand larceny (another distinct count appearing in court files). 

• Burglary — second-degree burglary (felony entry in court records). 

• Burglary — first-degree / multiple counts (two counts listed in CPD / Lexington reporting for the Cypress St. case). 

• Possession of a weapon during the commission of a violent crime — count 1 (Cypress St. case). 

• Possession of a weapon during the commission of a violent crime — count 2 (Cypress St. case). 

• Possession of a firearm by a prohibited person / convicted felon (felony). 

• Grand larceny of a motor vehicle (felony). 

• Financial transaction card theft / credit card theft — count 1 (grand/felony count). 

• Financial transaction card theft / credit card theft — count 2. 

• Financial transaction card theft / credit card theft — count 3. 

• Identity fraud / financial identity fraud (felony allegation in SLED record). 

• Identity fraud to obtain employment (felony count recorded in SLED).

• Arson (felony charge ). 

• Burglary (third-degree / other degree listed separately in court files — felony classification in some cycles). 

• Receiving/possession of stolen motor vehicle (statutory felony charge in SLED/court files). 

• Criminal conspiracy (common-law or statutory conspiracy, felony count recorded). 

• Armed robbery with a deadly weapon (felony / serious violent felony appears in some public reporting/court files). 

• Common-law robbery / strong-arm robbery (felony count). 

• Receiving goods represented as stolen — (separate cycle/count from earlier receiving count). 

• Grand larceny (another distinct historical count/cycle listed in SLED). 

• Grand larceny (additional separate count in the record). 

• Murder (capital / first-degree homicide charge filed by CPD in the Cypress St. incident).

[uncle bernard]

31 minutes ago, Caveira said:

This is what I found.   Loves to use weapons when robbing people.  Breaking into homes / buildings.  He Even set someone’s house on fire.  Seems like a cool guy 

 

• Grand larceny — value $10,000 or more (Charge / arrest in 2014). 

• Breaking into auto / tanks where fuel stored — 10 counts of this (2013 cycle). 

• Grand larceny (separate charge/cycle). 

• Receiving goods represented as stolen / receiving stolen property (felony). 

• Grand larceny (another distinct count appearing in court files). 

• Burglary — second-degree burglary (felony entry in court records). 

• Burglary — first-degree / multiple counts (two counts listed in CPD / Lexington reporting for the Cypress St. case). 

• Possession of a weapon during the commission of a violent crime — count 1 (Cypress St. case). 

• Possession of a weapon during the commission of a violent crime — count 2 (Cypress St. case). 

• Possession of a firearm by a prohibited person / convicted felon (felony). 

• Grand larceny of a motor vehicle (felony). 

• Financial transaction card theft / credit card theft — count 1 (grand/felony count). 

• Financial transaction card theft / credit card theft — count 2. 

• Financial transaction card theft / credit card theft — count 3. 

• Identity fraud / financial identity fraud (felony allegation in SLED record). 

• Identity fraud to obtain employment (felony count recorded in SLED).

• Arson (felony charge ). 

• Burglary (third-degree / other degree listed separately in court files — felony classification in some cycles). 

• Receiving/possession of stolen motor vehicle (statutory felony charge in SLED/court files). 

• Criminal conspiracy (common-law or statutory conspiracy, felony count recorded). 

• Armed robbery with a deadly weapon (felony / serious violent felony appears in some public reporting/court files). 

• Common-law robbery / strong-arm robbery (felony count). 

• Receiving goods represented as stolen — (separate cycle/count from earlier receiving count). 

• Grand larceny (another distinct historical count/cycle listed in SLED). 

• Grand larceny (additional separate count in the record). 

• Murder (capital / first-degree homicide charge filed by CPD in the Cypress St. incident).

Apparently, he went on a crime spree following the murder, so many of these charges happened after that, and from what I can see, that includes all of the violent offenses listed. His prior crimes appear to be non-violent offenses - burglary and theft mostly. 

So, while he was arrested and charged many times prior to this incident, none of those crimes were violent. So what's your solution? Lifetime imprisonment for repeated non-violent crimes? I've already outlined why I don't agree with that. Do you support it and if so, why?

While tragic, I don't think this is a case indicative of a systemic issue. The biggest scandal should be the police failing to follow protocol and log his fingerprints. Doing so would have potentially led to harsher sentencing for his most recent non-violent crimes. But that's not a systemic issue. That's human error. I would support an investigation and punishment into that mistake, but I don't expect one considering it requires the police to police themselves.

[uncle bernard]

1 hour ago, Scouts Honor said:

also about this mormon hater

maga doesn't say anything about mormons.

the guy did this of his own free will.

hell it could have been MY MOM

she hates mormons

she gets all these crazy ideas about people

(about just about everything, but politics as well)

btw, she hates trump and is becoming more and more leftist

All totally fair points except you only ever apply this logic when it's a right-winger who commits the crime. You could equally find contradictions in the motives of supposed "leftist" shooters like Thomas Crooks or Robinson, neither of whom had strong leftist beliefs or ties to left-wing organizations.

People do crazy things for all sorts of reasons. Murder is not logical. We shouldn't always expect a logical motive for either.

Crooks was suffering a mental (potentially schizophrenic) breakdown leading up to his attempted murder. This guy apparently had severe PTSD. The guy who shot the ICE detainees had completely alienated all of his social connections after letting bizarre internet "edge-lord" mantra take over his life. Robinson also showed a lot of the same exposure to deep-internet, nihilist content. He engraved memes on the bullets.

We may very well be entering the age of the internet-poisoned mass shooter. There are tons of these people out there with totally incoherent, detached-from-reality worldviews shaped by intense exposure to internet sub-cultures and rabbit holes. The QAnon guy who killed the mobster is an early example of this kind of thing. The internet is very bad for your brain, especially the brains of the young and elderly.

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11 minutes ago, uncle bernard said:

All totally fair points except you only ever apply this logic when it's a right-winger who commits the crime. You could equally find contradictions in the motives of supposed "leftist" shooters like Thomas Crooks or Robinson, neither of whom had strong leftist beliefs or ties to left-wing organizations.

People do crazy things for all sorts of reasons. Murder is not logical. We shouldn't always expect a logical motive for either.

Crooks was suffering a mental (potentially schizophrenic) breakdown leading up to his attempted murder. This guy apparently had severe PTSD. The guy who shot the ICE detainees had completely alienated all of his social connections after letting bizarre internet "edge-lord" mantra take over his life. Robinson also showed a lot of the same exposure to deep-internet, nihilist content. He engraved memes on the bullets.

We may very well be entering the age of the internet-poisoned mass shooter. There are tons of these people out there with totally incoherent, detached-from-reality worldviews shaped by intense exposure to internet sub-cultures and rabbit holes. The QAnon guy who killed the mobster is an early example of this kind of thing. The internet is very bad for your brain, especially the brains of the young and elderly.

no the difference is, left wingers are calling for others to hate or kill trump or other GOP supporters.

maga is not saying anything about mormons.

 

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Is trump out there telling us to kill cory booker?

is that what the sombrero was for... 

oh i get it

it was a subliminal message to kill booker

must go now...

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11 minutes ago, Scouts Honor said:

Is trump out there telling us to kill cory booker?

is that what the sombrero was for... 

oh i get it

it was a subliminal message to kill booker

must go now...

Which Democrat politician said their supporters should kill Republicans?

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lol

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if they bring a knife you bring a gun

a. trump

b. biden

c. obama

d. bush

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trump is a fascist!!!

a,leftists

b. conservatives 

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it's ok to punch nazis and fascists

a. leftists

b. conservatives

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charlie kirk got what he deserved

a. leftists

b. conservatives

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thanks for giving us a mental image to remember you by @nick

[uncle bernard]

17 minutes ago, Scouts Honor said:

if they bring a knife you bring a gun

a. trump

b. biden

c. obama

d. bush

“When the looting starts, the shooting starts.” - Trump 

17 minutes ago, Scouts Honor said:

it's ok to punch nazis and fascists

a. leftists

b. conservatives

“If you see somebody getting ready to throw a tomato, knock the crap out of them, would you? Seriously, okay? Just knock the hell—I promise you, I will pay for the legal fees. I promise, I promise.” - Trump

18 minutes ago, Scouts Honor said:

charlie kirk got what he deserved

a. leftists

b. conservatives

Sitting Republican Senator:

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trump is a fascist!!!

a,leftists

b. conservatives 

“We pledge to you that we will root out the Communists, Marxists, fascists, and the radical-left thugs that live like vermin within the confines of our country, that lie and steal and cheat on elections … The threat from outside forces is far less sinister, dangerous, and grave than the threat from within. Our threat is from within.” -Trump