China Will Crush Us

[red viking]

...or we crush ourselves but it's very obvious to anybody closely watching this that we can't win this. 

1) We will never make u.s. a world basic manufacturing hub. It's not the 1950s anymore; that ship has sailed. It would take decades to rebuild while Trump has <4 years left and we don't have the cheap labor to do it anyway. Other countries besides China can also do it. 

2) China is a big boy and here to stay. They've become a superpower and we've already crossed that bridge too. 

3) Trumps lost his credibility and showed too much weakness. He changes his mind daily and folds like an accordian whenever the bond market shows weakness. 

4) We have zero allies in this battle against China. Nobody is coming to our side against then in this trade war. They know that Trump could still turn against them in a second while China is stable and reliable. Keeping 10% tariffs on rest of world during trade war w China is incredibly dumb.

5) Zero great deals in 3 months. This isn't like buying an apartment building in Manhattan. Lying, cheating, bullying and stealing isn't as effective in dealing w strong foreign governments. 

6) Our strength is our domination of world financial markets including being the reserve currency of the world. AI is also a strength but China is close behind us. We could lose that financial supremacy status quickly and will as we continue to bully other countries like China. They allow us that status and can take it away. They can dump that debt. We can't get that manufacturing back in any reasonable time but can lose control of the world financial markets much more quickly. 

7) There's no long term plan. The plan is to tax the hell out of goods entering country (different rates every day) and manufacturing will magically come back on its own. China is WAY more sophisticated than that. It's a joke. 

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[Caveira]

Ok Comrade.  

[red viking]

5 minutes ago, Caveira said:

Ok Comrade.  

I actually don't like China. They're playing chess though and we're playing hungry hippo. 

[Caveira]

Just now, red viking said:

I actually don't like China. They're playing chess though and we're playing hungry hippo. 

Cool.  So you say bro.  I may believe you. 

[ionel]

1 hour ago, red viking said:

...or we crush ourselves but it's very obvious to anybody closely watching this that we can't win this. 

But that's a good thing no ... or at least in rv world? 

[red viking]

7 hours ago, ionel said:

But that's a good thing no ... or at least in rv world? 

Trump needs to wake up and realize it, and then not let his inflated and insecure ego stop him from doing the right thing: put up the white flag 

[Scouts Honor]

so we should give up

we knew you loved china

ego boy

[red viking]

Just now, Scouts Honor said:

so we should give up

we knew you loved china

ego boy

I respect them as a powerful country. Wouldn't want to live there but they aren't a country to screw with, particularly when you're doing it on your own. 

[PortaJohn]

17 minutes ago, red viking said:

I respect them as a powerful country. Wouldn't want to live there but they aren't a country to screw with, particularly when you're doing it on your own. 

Once again you are taking a extreme position and overvaluing, overestimating, exaggerating, and over hyping China's power.  Just a suggestion, read a non looney article and you'll soon come to the conclusion that China internally has major issues, problems, and an unsustainable long term plan. 

[red viking]

7 minutes ago, PortaJohn said:

Once again you are taking a extreme position and overvaluing, overestimating, exaggerating, and over hyping China's power.  Just a suggestion, read a non looney article and you'll soon come to the conclusion that China internally has major issues, problems, and an unsustainable long term plan. 

Show me this "non looney" article you are talking about. 

[JimmySpeaks]

10 hours ago, red viking said:

I actually don't like China. They're playing chess though and we're playing hungry hippo. 

You LOVE CHINA.  You want America to lose.  Too bad for you WE WONT. 

[red viking]

10 minutes ago, JimmySpeaks said:

You LOVE CHINA.  You want America to lose.  Too bad for you WE WONT. 

both sides will actually lose, but we may lose more. We certainly can't win. China is playing the long game, like always, and thinking 10 steps ahead and 50 years down the road. Trump changes his mind on a daily basis and relies upon his "instinct" as he even admitted. It's actually extremely sad and pathetic. 

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[JimmySpeaks]

3 minutes ago, red viking said:

both sides will actually lose, but we may lose more. We certainly can't win. China is playing the long game, like always, and thinking 10 steps ahead and 50 years down the road. Trump changes his mind on a daily basis and relies upon his "instinct" as he even admitted. It's actually extremely sad and pathetic. 

“May”.   WE “WILL” BE BETTER OFF LONG TERM THAN CHINA.  

[red viking]

10 minutes ago, JimmySpeaks said:

“May”.   WE “WILL” BE BETTER OFF LONG TERM THAN CHINA.  

We've already lost the manufacturing jobs due to cheaper labor in other countries. It's not coming back to any significant extent. I can 100% guarantee that, unless we become a 3rd world country ourselves. 

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[JimmySpeaks]

Nothing wrong with strengthening the manufacturing jobs we do have.  Auto unions seem to be supportive 

[wrestlingguy]

24 minutes ago, red viking said:

We've already lost the manufacturing jobs due to cheaper labor in other countries. It's not coming back to any significant extent. I can 100% guarantee that, unless we become a 3rd world country ourselves. 

I don't support slavery no matter what country.

[Bigbrog]

33 minutes ago, red viking said:

We've already lost the manufacturing jobs due to cheaper labor in other countries. It's not coming back to any significant extent. I can 100% guarantee that, unless we become a 3rd world country ourselves. 

So you are saying China is a 3rd world country??  But yet they think 10 steps ahead of us and 50 years down the road??  

[red viking]

58 minutes ago, Bigbrog said:

So you are saying China is a 3rd world country??  But yet they think 10 steps ahead of us and 50 years down the road??  

Depends how you define it. They certainly fall into the category of having very cheap labor. That being said, many economists have already claimed that they have already passed their prime of being able to manufacture cheap, very basic products that are labor intensive and that a higher percentage of this production is shifting to countries with lower labor rates. 

[Scouts Honor]

i think this confirms it

he's milley