due process

[mspart]

On 4/23/2025 at 12:37 PM, Tripnsweep said:

He's been disbarred. Unless there's some compelling reason that he neglected to mention, his appeal will most likely be denied. 

He has not been disbarred.   He has been recommended for disbarment.  That is like Pres Trump being impeached.   He has been recommended for removal but not removed.   Recommending disbarment and being disbarred are two separate things. 

mspart

[Tripnsweep]

15 minutes ago, mspart said:

He has not been disbarred.   He has been recommended for disbarment.  That is like Pres Trump being impeached.   He has been recommended for removal but not removed.   Recommending disbarment and being disbarred are two separate things. 

mspart

Except when that is recommended, it happens 99% of the time. Unless there's some compelling evidence he forgot to present. 

[Caveira]

1 minute ago, Tripnsweep said:

Except when that is recommended, it happens 99% of the time. Unless there's some compelling evidence he forgot to present. 

So your saying there is a chance?

[mspart]

Back to Abrego:

https://foxbaltimore.com/news/local/custody-disputes-gang-forms-protective-orders-documents-emerge-involving-abrego-garcia

Custody filings obtained by FOX45 News show the man who appears to be the father of Vasquez Sura’s two youngest children filed for an emergency custody hearing in August 2018. The man, Edwin Ramos, claimed the children were in serious danger because Vasquez Sura “is dating a gang member.”

So Edwin Ramos wanted custody of the kids he had with Abrego's now wife because Abrego was a gang member.   Abrego was pulled over in TN while hauling 8 people from Houston in his bosses car.   His boss has been convicted of human trafficking.   Yes, this is a peaceful guy living in MD.  

mspart

 

[Scouts Honor]

5 hours ago, ionel said:

Abd where are the 8 now?  If they got addresses they recorded names as well correct?  Or did the FBI delete all record and media has no interest?

the media has no interest, or we would know.

the FBI at that time had no interest, not sure if the current FBI does...

[Scouts Honor]

 

[Caveira]

2 minutes ago, Scouts Honor said:

 

Wait.  Due process matters to Ds when there is a red president but not a blue one.  Crazy.   I can’t believe this.  
 

not one blue person on this message board will comment acknowledge or pretend to care about this.   
 

politics are dirty aren’t they.  

[mspart]

52 minutes ago, Tripnsweep said:

Except when that is recommended, it happens 99% of the time. Unless there's some compelling evidence he forgot to present. 

Ok, it may happen in the future.   But today he is not disbarred.   That is what you are saying and that is what we have been saying.   But you continue to say he is disbarred when he is not officially disbarred.   He may be disbarred, but he is not now disbarred.   Do you not see the difference?

mspart

Edited April 24 by mspart

[Paul158]

12 hours ago, Scouts Honor said:

 

Sounds about right. No protests. No plane flights all over the world by Democrats to try and bring them back. No 24/7 Liberal News Media reporting this. Sounds about right. Due process, hmmm!!!!!

[Scouts Honor]

same energy

1. Maryland man was living quietly before trump...

2. ted kaczynski was living quietly before the FBI...

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[Offthemat]

The ms13 caucus has gone quiet. 

[mspart]

mspart

[Tripnsweep]

7 hours ago, Scouts Honor said:

 

If I had to guess from my experience in immigration court, most of those waived their right to do so, or agreed to be deported, both of which would negate the need to be seen before a judge. 

[Caveira]

1 hour ago, Tripnsweep said:

If I had to guess from my experience in immigration court, most of those waived their right to do so, or agreed to be deported, both of which would negate the need to be seen before a judge. 

Y’all get all your cake and eat it too don’t you.  
 

"Waiving due process doesn’t mean it was a real choice."

While it's true that many people technically waive their right to a hearing or agree to “voluntary departure,” that doesn't automatically mean the process was just or that they had a meaningful opportunity to assert their rights. Here's why:

1. Many of those deported never saw a judge because they were subject to "expedited removal" — a fast-track process where an immigration officer acts as judge and jury. People in this process often don’t know they can ask for asylum or legal representation.

2. Language barriers, fear, and lack of legal knowledge play a huge role. If someone is detained, scared, and told by ICE that signing a paper means they’ll go home faster — they might sign without understanding the consequences. That’s not really “waiving” rights in an informed or voluntary way.

3. Access to legal counsel is minimal. Immigration court isn’t like criminal court — there’s no public defender system. Many people face complex legal proceedings alone, making it very hard to assert their rights even if they technically have them.

4. Voluntary return or "stipulated removal orders" were often pushed aggressively during the Obama era.Internal memos and whistleblower reports have shown ICE agents sometimes pressured people into signing removal forms under misleading pretenses.

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Even if people waived their rights or accepted removal, that doesn’t mean the process was fair, informed, or consistent with due process ideals.

Edited April 25 by Caveira

[Caveira]

1 hour ago, Tripnsweep said:

If I had to guess from my experience in immigration court, most of those waived their right to do so, or agreed to be deported, both of which would negate the need to be seen before a judge. 

I should see 188,000 threads asking for humanitarian due process for the people bounced in 2014 during the Obama admin.   Bring them back!    Send d senators to each country for a photo opp!!!!!!

During the Obama administration, expedited removal—a process allowing certain non-citizens to be deported without a formal hearing before an immigration judge—was utilized extensively. In fiscal year 2014 alone, expedited removal was applied approximately 188,000 times.    Just mean ice people deciding to do so   

 

188,000 times.   783 people per average workday were deported without due process during Obama admin (at least!!!!) in 2014 alone  

Edited April 25 by Caveira

[1032004]

Weird, people told me Abrego Garcia was a losing issue for the Dems.  This poll is probably biased but what sticks out to me is the gap between approval rating on immigration as a whole vs the handling of the Abrego Garcia case, a 16% point difference.

 

 

[1032004]

Trump confirms he never asked Bukele to return Abrego Garcia (but Time was wrong to say the Supreme Court said he “had to bring him back”)

https://time.com/7280114/donald-trump-2025-interview-transcript/

Edited April 26 by 1032004

[1032004]

DHS made sure to redact the name of the dirty cop that filed the gang interview sheet, but forgot to redact the address of Abrego Garcia’s US citizen wife.  She has reportedly moved to a safe house

 

 

 

[JimmySpeaks]

Wokester Wingers have gone silent.  Hmmmmmmmmmmm 

[Le duke]

Apparently multiple US citizen children, to including one undergoing cancer treatment, have been illegally deported now.


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[Caveira]

8 minutes ago, Le duke said:

Apparently multiple US citizen children, to including one undergoing cancer treatment, have been illegally deported now.


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How does your health determine if an illegal alien should or should not be deported.    56% of all Americans.   Think all illegal aliens should be deported.  56% Even if they don’t commit a second crime.   The first crime being crossing the boarder illegally.  

[Le duke]

How does your health determine if an illegal alien should or should not be deported.    56% of all Americans.   Think all illegal aliens should be deported.  56% Even if they don’t commit a second crime.   The first crime being crossing the boarder illegally.  

This is a thread about due process.

The children in question, who are US citizens, could not have been deported if actual due process had occurred.

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/trump-deport-child-cancer-us-citizen-1235325778/

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/apr/26/trump-administration-child-deportation


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[Caveira]

12 minutes ago, Le duke said:

 

 

This is a thread about due process.

The children in question, who are US citizens, could not have been deported if actual due process had occurred.

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/trump-deport-child-cancer-us-citizen-1235325778/


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I’m sure rolling stone is the right news outlet to surface this.  The last due process ms13 dude blew up in the lefts face.  Give it time.  This is prolly bs 

 

whats your opinion on the 188,000 people Obama deported in 2014 without due process?

Edited April 26 by Caveira

[Le duke]

I’m sure rolling stone is the right news outlet to surface this.  The last due process ms13 dude blew up in the lefts face.  Give it time.  This is prolly bs 
 
whats your opinion on the 188,000 people Obama deported in 2014 without due process?

Here’s a quote from a Trump-appointed judge, Hon. Terry Doughton:

“It is illegal and unconstitutional to deport, detain for deportation, or recommend deportation of a US citizen,” said the judge.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/apr/26/trump-administration-child-deportation


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