due process

[Scouts Honor]

2 minutes ago, VakAttack said:

Then prove it in court.  If it's so obvious, seems like a slam dunk to just give the man the hearing he (and others) are entitled to.

again i ask

was he here illegally?

yes.

good bye.

obama did it to millions... no gnashing of teeth... b/c he was the 2nd coming, not bad orange man

[1032004]

Just now, Scouts Honor said:

again i ask

was he here illegally?

yes.

good bye.

obama did it to millions... no gnashing of teeth... b/c he was the 2nd coming, not bad orange man

Allegedly being in MS-13 was why he was sent to CECOT though 

[Caveira]

Just now, 1032004 said:

Allegedly being in MS-13 was why he was sent to CECOT though 

We didn’t send him there.  The president of some other country did.  Go protest him 

[1032004]

4 minutes ago, Caveira said:

We didn’t send him there.  The president of some other country did.  Go protest him 

We sent him there 

[Caveira]

Just now, 1032004 said:

We sent him there 

We have jurisdiction over what they do with him once we drop him off. ???

[Scouts Honor]

so you are saying he should have already been gone.

i agree.

all this stuff that happened this year was way too late.

and dont tell me they dismissed it... b/c he was caught and the biden DOJ told them to look the other way

[Scouts Honor]

just like the protests going on right now.

these people should already be gone... they wouldn't be ***ducking** up things for people right now.

[VakAttack]

20 minutes ago, Scouts Honor said:

again i ask

was he here illegally?

yes.

good bye.

obama did it to millions... no gnashing of teeth... b/c he was the 2nd coming, not bad orange man

I'm sorry you don't like how America is supposed to run.  Maybe you should move to Hungary or Russia.

[Caveira]

Just now, VakAttack said:

I'm sorry you don't like how America is supposed to run.  Maybe you should move to Hungary or Russia.

Why were past presidents allowed to deport millions without due process and this one can’t?

[Scouts Honor]

4 minutes ago, VakAttack said:

I'm sorry you don't like how America is supposed to run.  Maybe you should move to Hungary or Russia.

you are forgetting the TN state P was told to look the other way...

i dont like how biden ran america, that is for sure.

[VakAttack]

3 minutes ago, Caveira said:

Why were past presidents allowed to deport millions without due process and this one can’t?

Because I don't have the ability to time travel.  And because I don't know that the prior presidents didn't follow our rules or court orders, no matter how many unsourced charts you copy and paste.

[Caveira]

4 minutes ago, VakAttack said:

Because I don't have the ability to time travel.  And because I don't know that the prior presidents didn't follow our rules or court orders, no matter how many unsourced charts you copy and paste.

Weak answer.  It’s been happening for over 50 years.  It’s also what the majority of Americans want.   

[VakAttack]

3 minutes ago, Caveira said:

Weak answer.  It’s been happening for over 50 years.  It’s also what the majority of Americans want.   

Then get the votes to amend the Constitution.

[Offthemat]

He had due process.  The result was an order of removal.  It was withheld due to circumstances that no longer exist.  He has shown no compunction for violence and breaking laws.  He’s El Salvadoran and in El Salvador.  He’s under their jurisdiction.  It doesn’t make any sense to go to the expense to bring him back here only to re-deport him so some stupid lawyer can bill a few hours, to the American worker, for trying to swing him a plea deal. 

[Caveira]

2 minutes ago, VakAttack said:

Then get the votes to amend the Constitution.

This administration did nothing wrong 

[Scouts Honor]

13 minutes ago, VakAttack said:

Because I don't have the ability to time travel.  And because I don't know that the prior presidents didn't follow our rules or court orders, no matter how many unsourced charts you copy and paste.

narrator: you turned a blind eye

[VakAttack]

6 minutes ago, Caveira said:

This administration did nothing wrong 

The courts disagree.

4 minutes ago, Scouts Honor said:

narrator: you turned a blind eye

I didn't.  But even if I did, what you're failing to understand is it doesn't matter.  Someone else breaking the law doesn't give every subsequent person permission to do so.

Edited Thursday at 12:48 AM by VakAttack

[ionel]

4 minutes ago, VakAttack said:

The courts disagree.

They seem to disagree with each other.  

[Scouts Honor]

15 minutes ago, VakAttack said:

The courts disagree.

I didn't.  But even if I did, what you're failing to understand is it doesn't matter.  Someone else breaking the law doesn't give every subsequent person permission to do so.

as a lawyer... you don't know about precedent? 

[Scouts Honor]

the GOVT does what it wants... that's precedent

except when bad orange man does it

[VakAttack]

1 minute ago, Scouts Honor said:

as a lawyer... you don't know about precedent? 

That's not what precedent is

[Scouts Honor]

i already answered your statement 

[Scouts Honor]

wondering why there were no judicial decisions when obama was doing this

seems like a precedent 

[Caveira]

4 minutes ago, VakAttack said:

That's not what precedent is

who created expedited removal?   The one and only sir bill ‘the cigar king’ Clinton…..    

Yes, there is legal precedent for using expedited removal — which limits due process — and it has been used by presidents from both parties over the past 50 years. So, in that context, Trump (or any president) can legally continue or expand this practice, within the boundaries of immigration law and Supreme Court rulings.

Key points:

1. Expedited removal was created in 1996 under President Bill Clinton through the Illegal Immigration Reform and Immigrant Responsibility Act (IIRIRA). It allowed for fast-track deportations of certain undocumented immigrants without a full hearing.

2. Presidents Bush, Obama, Trump, and Biden have all used expedited removal to varying degrees. Trump greatly expanded its scope in 2019 to include undocumented people found anywhere in the U.S. who couldn't prove they had been in the country for at least two years.

3. The Supreme Court upheld the legality of limited due process in expedited removals in DHS v. Thuraissigiam (2020) — ruling that non-citizens without lawful status and caught soon after entry have limited constitutional protections.

[Caveira]

11 minutes ago, Caveira said:

Trump (or any president) can legally continue or expand this practice

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