Buying Elections with Immigrants came faster than expected

[jross]

My immediate theory about the blue wave from Biden’s immigration policy was that the next generation of illegals would turn the country Democrat forever. I couldn't fathom any other practical reason.  Give it 20 years, and all those birthright babies, plus their families getting voting rights, would stack the deck.

I was off by 20 years.

There is a claim that SSNs for non citizens went up 2M during Biden's term, and confirmations that some voted. (this begs for validation... it doesn't clearly mention 'Federal' but its occurred before: https://www.ice.gov/news/releases/19-aliens-charged-voter-fraud-north-carolina-following-ice-investigation)

 

[Ohio Elite]

I'm not surprised...

[Lipdrag]

5 hours ago, Ohio Elite said:

I'm not surprised...

I am surprised only if anyone is surprised.  OF COURSE this is what was happening.  It was the plan!

Edited Tuesday at 12:17 AM by Lipdrag

[fishbane]

6 hours ago, jross said:

My immediate theory about the blue wave from Biden’s immigration policy was that the next generation of illegals would turn the country Democrat forever. I couldn't fathom any other practical reason.  Give it 20 years, and all those birthright babies, plus their families getting voting rights, would stack the deck.

I was off by 20 years.

So it happened now instead of 20 years from now?  Wouldn't that mean the country is _now_ Democrat forever.  Have you considered the possibility that you were just wrong altogether? 

[Scouts Honor]

i did.

and he wasn't. 

[fishbane]

2 minutes ago, Scouts Honor said:

i did.

and he wasn't. 

Lol not sure what you mean.  The original theory was that the country was going to Democrat forever in twenty years.  The revised theory is that he was off by 20 years.  I reckon he must mean yhe US will be Democrat forever in 40 years because 20 years the other direction would could say is wrong right now.

I think the original theory was dubious to start and full of logical holes.

[Offthemat]

 

[jross]

The now portion is hyperbole.

I also said that the new story needs validation.

As for the 20 year hypothesis; explain a different and more plausible reason.  It is the simplest answer.

[Tripnsweep]

18 hours ago, jross said:

My immediate theory about the blue wave from Biden’s immigration policy was that the next generation of illegals would turn the country Democrat forever. I couldn't fathom any other practical reason.  Give it 20 years, and all those birthright babies, plus their families getting voting rights, would stack the deck.

I was off by 20 years.

There is a claim that SSNs for non citizens went up 2M during Biden's term, and confirmations that some voted. (this begs for validation... it doesn't clearly mention 'Federal' but its occurred before: https://www.ice.gov/news/releases/19-aliens-charged-voter-fraud-north-carolina-following-ice-investigation)

 

People who aren't citizens but have legal status get a SSN assigned so they can work. It's not exactly breaking news or anything. It even says on the paperwork that comes with it that you aren't entitled to vote. And if somebody tries to do it anyway, it just gets rejected because they do check these things. 

Also there's no incentive to commit a crime, like voting illegally, that is easily traceable and will get you in trouble with ICE and possibly deported. It would be like robbing a bank with a poster board size copy of your driver's license hanging around your neck and you're wearing the same shirt as in your driver's license photo and shouting out your name so everyone hears you. 

[Scouts Honor]

7 hours ago, Offthemat said:

 

i was told there is no fraud

[red viking]

19 minutes ago, Scouts Honor said:

i was told there is no fraud

Another strawman argument. Nobody ever said that there wasn't SS fraud. This has been recognized for decades. However, it isn't nearly as bad as DOGE claims. They've repeatedly lied about the extent of it. 

[Bigbrog]

4 minutes ago, red viking said:

Another strawman argument. Nobody ever said that there wasn't SS fraud. This has been recognized for decades. However, it isn't nearly as bad as DOGE claims. They've repeatedly lied about the extent of it. 

What have they lied about...yet alone "repeatedly"??

[red viking]

1 minute ago, Bigbrog said:

What have they lied about...yet alone "repeatedly"??

Thousands of people that are 150 years old or so collecting social security checks. Also, repeatedly lied about the amount of money they are "saving" the federal govt and that it was due to "fraud." 

All they've done for the most part is eliminate programs and fire employees but the amount was lower than claimed and almost none of it was actually "fraud." 

All they do is lie. 

Edited Tuesday at 02:54 PM by red viking

[Bigbrog]

1 minute ago, red viking said:

Thousands of people that are 150 years old or so collecting social security checks. 

So you are going to play semantics and claim it to be a lie??  LOL

Once again you make stupid claims about things that you can't back up

[red viking]

2 minutes ago, Bigbrog said:

So you are going to play semantics and claim it to be a lie??  LOL

Once again you make stupid claims about things that you can't back up

You can simply Google the stuff he said about all these super old people that "dont' exist" collecting social security checks and the fact-check information. 

[Scouts Honor]

28 minutes ago, red viking said:

Another strawman argument. Nobody ever said that there wasn't SS fraud. This has been recognized for decades. However, it isn't nearly as bad as DOGE claims. They've repeatedly lied about the extent of it. 

how many times have you asked me for proof of fraud?

[red viking]

Just now, Scouts Honor said:

how many times have you asked me for proof of fraud?

Zero people said fraud doesn't exist. That's a strawman argument. 

I'd like you to show that it exists to anything close to the extent that DOGE claims. 

[Scouts Honor]

23 minutes ago, red viking said:

Thousands of people that are 150 years old or so collecting social security checks. Also, repeatedly lied about the amount of money they are "saving" the federal govt and that it was due to "fraud." 

All they've done for the most part is eliminate programs and fire employees but the amount was lower than claimed and almost none of it was actually "fraud." 

All they do is lie. 

so you really think that someone 150 is collecting?

no. ok 3rd grader. here we go, pay attention.

someone has the number of someone who died. the person that took the number of someone who died is collecting a check from SS.

anything click? 

[Scouts Honor]

Just now, red viking said:

Zero people said fraud doesn't exist. That's a strawman argument. 

I'd like you to show that it exists to anything close to the extent that DOGE claims. 

answer the question!!!!

how many times have you asked me to prove there was fraud?

[Scouts Honor]

THE QUESTION!!!!

[red viking]

4 minutes ago, Scouts Honor said:

THE QUESTION!!!!

Any fraud whatsoever? ZERO times. BAM!!!!!

[Bigbrog]

46 minutes ago, red viking said:

You can simply Google the stuff he said about all these super old people that "dont' exist" collecting social security checks and the fact-check information. 

There you go...trying to play the semantics card...poorly I might add...no one, including DOGE, has ever said there are people 150 years old.  Funny you mention google...you should be the one using...you continually make these elaborate claims and statements that you never back up...when called on it you don't either don't answer the request for proof, or you just double down on your statement without proof.

[red viking]

8 minutes ago, Bigbrog said:

There you go...trying to play the semantics card...poorly I might add...no one, including DOGE, has ever said there are people 150 years old.  Funny you mention google...you should be the one using...you continually make these elaborate claims and statements that you never back up...when called on it you don't either don't answer the request for proof, or you just double down on your statement without proof.

"Proving" stuff with the wingers is a never-ending vortex. You'll find something within the proof that also needs to be "proved." You may even ask a "proof" that the sky is blue. You don't even trust anything in the media or that comes from true research by people w/ PhDs. Instead relying on what Fox and Breitbart tell you. 

I don't play those games. If you take your red-tinted goggles off, the reliable information is all out there. 

Fact is that DOGE hasn't backed up any of their B.S. extragent claims about the amount of money they are saving and virtually none of that money is actually "fraud." 

Onus is on the wingers to prove that the claims made by DOGE are true. Not from people like me to prove that they're untrue. 

[Bigbrog]

3 minutes ago, red viking said:

"Proving" stuff with the wingers is a never-ending vortex. You'll find something within the proof that also needs to be "proved." You may even ask a "proof" that the sky is blue. You don't even trust anything in the media or that comes from true research by people w/ PhDs. Instead relying on what Fox and Breitbart tell you. 

I don't play those games. If you take your red-tinted goggles off, the reliable information is all out there. 

Fact is that DOGE hasn't backed up any of their B.S. extragent claims about the amount of money they are saving and virtually none of that money is actually "fraud." 

Onus is on the wingers to prove that the claims made by DOGE are true. Not from people like me to prove that they're untrue. 

Wow...you are all over the place here...I'll start with the obvious, you once again haven't and can't prove anything you claim...including everything you just posted.  They are just emotional based statements with the word "wingers" spread throughout.  Also, I can guarantee you 100% that if you ever provided true evidence backed with facts, I wouldn't dismiss it at all...but you have never been able to do so to any of my questions.  It isn't my responsibility to try and affirm your claims...if you make the claim, back it up.

[red viking]

Onus is on the wi

16 minutes ago, Bigbrog said:

Wow...you are all over the place here...I'll start with the obvious, you once again haven't and can't prove anything you claim...including everything you just posted.  They are just emotional based statements with the word "wingers" spread throughout.  Also, I can guarantee you 100% that if you ever provided true evidence backed with facts, I wouldn't dismiss it at all...but you have never been able to do so to any of my questions.  It isn't my responsibility to try and affirm your claims...if you make the claim, back it up.

Onus is on the wingers to back up their own claims. 

Plenty of sources have looked into this though and demonstrated pretty well that DOGE is flat out lying. Yes, they are "mainstream" sources. Oh, the horror and evil of that. 

Edited Tuesday at 04:40 PM by red viking