Hendrickson wins Hodge

[Wrestleknownothing]

1 minute ago, MidniteToka said:

You mean it should have read "Fans put *Wyatt* up by 4"?

No, I think the committee vote was 30-26-3, and the fan vote is another 5 for Hedrickson, for 64 total votes.

If you go back through the WIN press releases you see they mention 64 total votes in 2023. In 2024 and this year they talk about 59 votes and then add "in addition" when talking about the fan vote.

The only thing that is confusing is that this year should have had one more total voter than last year with the addition of Brooks. But maybe there is one less retired coach, or journalist.

[okokzach]

38 minutes ago, peanut said:

I congratulate Hendrickson, but I’d also point out that Carter had a higher bonus percentage than Hendrickson—which, of course, suggests that he was more dominant than Hendrickson. Hodge voting is inherently subjective though and many years, like this year, multiple people have a strong case. 

to conclude your analysis with bonus point percentage is to give pins and major decisions equal weight. That's a silly thing to do when determining who is the most dominant.

[Caveira]

1 minute ago, okokzach said:

to conclude your analysis with bonus point percentage is to give pins and major decisions equal weight. That's a silly thing to do when determining who is the most dominant.

I suspect he’s a psu homer though.  

[OMW]

Very deserving of the award!

[Dark Energy]

1 hour ago, peanut said:

I congratulate Hendrickson, but I’d also point out that Carter had a higher bonus percentage than Hendrickson—which, of course, suggests that he was more dominant than Hendrickson. Hodge voting is inherently subjective though and many years, like this year, multiple people have a strong case. 

The bonus percentage was quite close.  The pin percent and dominance score was not at all. And sportsmanship - also not close.  

Honest question - 

Wrestler A majors 90% of his opponents. 
Wrestler B pins 75% of theirs.

Are you going to call A more dominant?  I hope not.

[peanut]

1 minute ago, Dark Energy said:

The bonus percentage was quite close.  The pin percent and dominance score was not at all. And sportsmanship - also not close.  

Honest question - 

Wrestler A majors 90% of his opponents. 
Wrestler B pins 75% of theirs.

Are you going to call A more dominant?  I hope not.

It’s all about vibes, as I’ve been saying.

But I’d note that if the Hodge simply became the most falls in a season award, that would at least provide some superficial objectivity (not accounting for number of matches, strength of schedule, strength of weight class, etc).

Anyway, congrats to Hendrickson.

[Rassling2]

Great news!

[Rassling2]

1 hour ago, pawrestler said:

Who do we think Steveson voted for with his two votes lol

Of course!

[Ragu]

2 hours ago, MPhillips said:

Kyle Snyder won?

NCAA and (U23) World Champ that was in the service academy and will service our country in the future. The nickname should be his

[MPhillips]

12 minutes ago, Ragu said:

NCAA and (U23) World Champ that was in the service academy and will service our country in the future. The nickname should be his

Kindly GTFO...

The nickname belongs to Kyle Snyder.

Folks never called Barry Bonds, 'The Sultan of Swat.'

Wyatt can be, The Great American Hero, like he's been called...

[boconnell]

1 hour ago, MPhillips said:

Kindly GTFO...

The nickname belongs to Kyle Snyder.

Folks never called Barry Bonds, 'The Sultan of Swat.'

Wyatt can be, The Great American Hero, like he's been called...

Was the nickname invented for Kyle Snyder or was it applied to tons of other people before and now after Snyder?  Any athlete (or more likely fan) claiming rights to the captain america nickname is absurd.  

[MPhillips]

3 minutes ago, boconnell said:

Was the nickname invented for Kyle Snyder  or was it applied to tons of other people

How many people were called Captain America before KS? With the exception of Captain America of course...

Did you call Ricky Henderson, 'Charlie Hustle?' 

Edited Monday at 09:22 PM by MPhillips

[Caveira]

3 minutes ago, boconnell said:

Was the nickname invented for Kyle Snyder or was it applied to tons of other people before and now after Snyder?  Any athlete (or more likely fan) claiming rights to the captain america nickname is absurd.  

• Steve Rogers (Fictional, Marvel Comics) – The original and most famous Captain America, played by Chris Evans in the Marvel Cinematic Universe.

• Chris Evans (Actor) – Because he portrayed Captain America so well, fans often refer to him by the nickname in real life.

• Christian Pulisic (Soccer Player) – The American soccer star earned the nickname Captain America for his performances with the U.S. Men’s National Team.

• Lance Armstrong (Cyclist, formerly) – At one point, some referred to him as Captain America for his dominance in cycling before his doping scandal.

• Johnny Weir (Figure Skater) – During the 2010 Olympics, some media outlets dubbed him Captain America for his patriotic performances.

• Bobby Moore (English Soccer Player, humorously) – Some non-Americans jokingly referred to him as Captain America due to his leadership, though he was English.
   

• Clint Dempsey (Soccer) – Before Pulisic, Dempsey was often called Captain America for his leadership and impact on the U.S. Men’s National Team.

• Landon Donovan (Soccer) – Another U.S. soccer legend, Donovan carried the Captain America title for his clutch performances, especially in the World Cup.

• Tommy Smith (Soccer, MLS) – A former Colorado Rapids player sometimes referred to as Captain America for his contributions to U.S. soccer.

• Ryan Callahan (Hockey) – Former New York Rangers and Tampa Bay Lightning forward, known for his leadership and grit, earning him the Captain America nickname in hockey circles.

• Mike Eruzione (Hockey) – Captain of the 1980 U.S. Olympic “Miracle on Ice” team, making him an unofficial Captain America in hockey history.

• Steve Cherundolo (Soccer) – A longtime U.S. Men’s National Team defender who was a captain figure in American soccer.

• Brian McBride (Soccer) – Former USMNT striker and captain, known for his leadership on and off the field.

• David Wright (Baseball) – The longtime New York Mets captain was sometimes called Captain America after his heroics in the World Baseball Classic.

• T.J. Oshie (Hockey) – His clutch shootout performance for Team USA in the 2014 Winter Olympics earned him the Captain America nickname.

 

[ionel]

1 minute ago, MPhillips said:

How many people were called Captain America before KS? With the exception of Captain America of course...

Did you call Ricky Henderson, 'Charlie Hustle?' 

Captain Air Force or The Newton Bomber.

He doesn't need to be CA.  

[MPhillips]

1 minute ago, Caveira said:

Mike Eruzione (Hockey) – Captain of the 1980 U.S. Olympic “Miracle on Ice” team, making him an unofficial Captain America in hockey history.

Except the top two listed, the rest are just like the one above...

[BarSeries]

 

[MPhillips]

Nickal's opinion is relevant where?

[boconnell]

27 minutes ago, MPhillips said:

How many people were called Captain America before KS? With the exception of Captain America of course...

Did you call Ricky Henderson, 'Charlie Hustle?' 

Tons of people were called captain america before him.  He borrowed the nickname.  Just like everybody not holding a shield in a marvel comic.  

If Pete Rose was called Charlie Hustle after a dozen other guys, then it would be dumb for Pete Rose fans to get mad at the name being applied to Ricky Henderson.  Just like it's dumb for people to get mad on Kyle Snyder's behalf over a nickname he has always shared with many others.

[okokzach]

15 minutes ago, BarSeries said:

 

 

A good argument can be made that Gable Steveson is the BEST wrestler in the NCAA. Should he have been a finalist, Bo? Or is the award, named for Dan Hodge, about something else?

[okokzach]

Here's Bo a few days ago. Which is it Bo? Should the award go the most dominant wrestler as intended, or should it go to who Bo thinks is "best"?

[Ragu]

Why are we awarding a trophy based on math and strict rules? Wrong guys get awarded all the time a la the NBA MVP. Should be, first and foremost, the eye test. Who was the best. Point blank period. If you want to include math in your decision so be it. I just need my pair of eyes and a screen to watch to decide

[dragit]

17 minutes ago, MPhillips said:

Nickal's opinion is relevant where?

Regardless of how many and who he annoys, he's a past Hodge winner, membership in a directly relevant elite club not populated by the average bear.  

[dragit]

Wasn't the dual winner Gable/Spencer year NOT an exact tie?  Could they have split this between Hendrickson and Starocci based on the tight/split vote?  There are great arguments for both. If I had to pick one I'd pick Hendrickson because I think the pins mean way more than the majors, but I think a dual winner would have been appropriate. 

[MPhillips]

28 minutes ago, boconnell said:

Tons of people were called captain america before him. 

Whom did you and tens of thousands of others call Captain America before KS?

[pokemonster]

5 hours ago, Hammerlock3 said:

This was an obvious choice, no matter how stupid Bo nickal gets.

It's really upsetting that Bo Nickal will be giving his hodge back since Carter didn't win. Something about it being a meaningless award if Carter doesn't win it.