PSU's Other Record Setting Performances

[Wrestleknownothing]

OK, I should stop being a dick and include some Iowa love.

Iowa still holds the record for the most consecutive years with at least 8 AA's, with a ridiculous run of seven straight years, from 1980 to 1986.

[ionel]

8 minutes ago, Wrestleknownothing said:

PSU also tied the 1991 Iowa team for the most top 3 finishers with 8.

Because I did not want to hurt @ionel's feelings I included the % of available weights. Oklahoma State still holds that record from back when teams used Conestoga wagons to get to the venue and traveled with at least 20 wrestlers in case any died from dysentery along the way.

... don't forget the horse-hair mats ... everybody loved the horse-hair mats! 

Shane Sparks great grandfather Shanky Sparks used to type out over the telegraph: He planted him on the horse-hairs!

[Spencerlee]

Updated semis and Finals records? Just curious.

[Wrestleknownothing]

3 minutes ago, Spencerlee said:

Updated semis and Finals records? Just curious.

not yet. but I will.

[Wrestleknownothing]

PSU did fail to break their own record from last year for highest win %, only moving into fourth this year.

I am including Minnesota in there because of the wins, but I suspect there are other teams with better winning percentages. I just don't feel like finding them. Good news, that means you can.

Edited Sunday at 10:09 PM by Wrestleknownothing

[AgaveMaria]

So far Cael & Co aren't even half way to a tie with Dan Gable and 9 titles in a row.

What he is doing puts him at the level of Gable but I don't think 9 in a row will happen for PSU.

[peanut]

6 minutes ago, AgaveMaria said:

So far Cael & Co aren't even half way to a tie with Dan Gable and 9 titles in a row.

What he is doing puts him at the level of Gable but I don't think 9 in a row will happen for PSU.

Perhaps not.

Not sure if cael cares about coaching records, but I noticed that Gable coached Iowa to 15 team titles, while Cael now has 12. It seems possible for Cael to catch Gable on that front.

Also, Gable had a bunch of his athletes go out and coach elsewhere. I wonder how many Cael-trained athletes eventually become head coaches. 

[Coastal]

20 minutes ago, peanut said:

Perhaps not.

Not sure if cael cares about coaching records, but I noticed that Gable coached Iowa to 15 team titles, while Cael now has 12. It seems possible for Cael to catch Gable on that front.

Also, Gable had a bunch of his athletes go out and coach elsewhere. I wonder how many Cael-trained athletes eventually become head coaches. 

You'll see much few Cael wrestlers become college coaches because there is an option of significant MMA money today.

[Wrestleknownothing]

This just in. PSU actually won 49 matches this tournament, not the previously reported 48.

[1032004]

14 hours ago, 1032004 said:

Kerk must have been pretty hurt to MFF out.  Could’ve broke that one 

Basch says Kerk may have torn his ACL in practice last week.  If that happened at Iowa people would be calling for the Brands’ heads 

[Interviewed_at_Weehawken]

15 hours ago, 1032004 said:

Kerk must have been pretty hurt to MFF out.  Could’ve broke that one 

For a great wrestler, it seems Kerk doesn't have a lot of career wins on Day 3 of the tourney.  I think 3 wins in five trips to day 3.

[Wrestleknownothing]

14 hours ago, Interviewed_at_Weehawken said:

For a great wrestler, it seems Kerk doesn't have a lot of career wins on Day 3 of the tourney.  I think 3 wins in five trips to day 3.

Hold all tickets.

Someone just pointed out to me that the second loss by medical forfeit in a tournament does not count on the wrestler's season record form. Thus Kerkvliet only had two losses this tournament, not three. And PSU's win percentage goes to 83.05% (49-10), putting them in second place all time behind the 2024 PSU team.

PS: Kerkvliet cannot hear your complaints over all the noise his NCAA title is making.

[1032004]

7 hours ago, Wrestleknownothing said:

Hold all tickets.

Someone just pointed out to me that the second loss by medical forfeit in a tournament does not count on the wrestler's season record form. Thus Kerkvliet only had two losses this tournament, not three. And PSU's win percentage goes to 83.05% (49-10), putting them in second place all time behind the 2024 PSU team.

PS: Kerkvliet cannot hear your complaints over all the noise his NCAA title is making.

Yeah seems odd to question the clutchness of a guy with an NCAA title.

I do believe he was legitimately hurt this year, and 2022, and 2021 even though he did not MFF any matches at NCAA’s in 2021.  Can’t imagine there have been too many guys MFF any matches in two different tournaments.  Lucky for Lehigh they were the beneficiary of 2 of Kerk’s 3 career MFF’s at NCAA’s.

[Interviewed_at_Weehawken]

8 hours ago, Wrestleknownothing said:

Hold all tickets.

Someone just pointed out to me that the second loss by medical forfeit in a tournament does not count on the wrestler's season record form. Thus Kerkvliet only had two losses this tournament, not three. And PSU's win percentage goes to 83.05% (49-10), putting them in second place all time behind the 2024 PSU team.

PS: Kerkvliet cannot hear your complaints over all the noise his NCAA title is making.

I just think it is an interesting stat. Three wins in five trips to day 3, one being his title.  I mean, for a stats guy, you have to find that pretty interesting.  Just not built for day 3 wrestle-backs, I guess.

I mean, three wins in five trips may be a record setting performance, no?

Edited 10 hours ago by Interviewed_at_Weehawken

[Interviewed_at_Weehawken]

1 hour ago, 1032004 said:

Yeah seems odd to question the clutchness of a guy with an NCAA title.

I do believe he was legitimately hurt this year, and 2022, and 2021 even though he did not MFF any matches at NCAA’s in 2021.  Can’t imagine there have been too many guys MFF any matches in two different tournaments.  Lucky for Lehigh they were the beneficiary of 2 of Kerk’s 3 career MFF’s at NCAA’s.

At no point, did I question his "clutch gene.' More about how beat up he is at the end of the year, every year.

[Interviewed_at_Weehawken]

8 hours ago, Wrestleknownothing said:

 

PS: Kerkvliet cannot hear your complaints over all the noise his NCAA title is making.

That was last year.

I don't understand the sensitivity regarding this.  I'm talking numbers.  Decent sample size, too.  I've been mentioning for years that the guy has been wrestling without an ACL.  No one seemed to think it was a big deal.

It is almost like there was no pearl clutching after other wrestlers have MFF in the past...

Edited 10 hours ago by Interviewed_at_Weehawken

[1032004]

14 minutes ago, Interviewed_at_Weehawken said:

At no point, did I question his "clutch gene.' More about how beat up he is at the end of the year, every year.

Fair enough. As I mentioned, I can’t imagine there have been many wrestlers that have MFF’d matches in multiple NCAA tournaments

[Interviewed_at_Weehawken]

Just now, 1032004 said:

Fair enough. As I mentioned, I can’t imagine there have been many wrestlers that have MFF’d matches in multiple NCAA tournaments

Exactly

[Wrestleknownothing]

33 minutes ago, Interviewed_at_Weehawken said:

That was last year.

I don't understand the sensitivity regarding this.  I'm talking numbers.  Decent sample size, too.  I've been mentioning for years that the guy has been wrestling without an ACL.  No one seemed to think it was a big deal.

It is almost like there was no pearl clutching after other wrestlers have MFF in the past...

There certainly was no pearl clutching from me. Hell, I wrote a long diatribe about people on here not wanting to believe a wrestler was injured in a sport where 100% of athletes get injured. You should use someone who is inconsistent on this point to try and make your point. That is not me.

[scourge165]

On 3/23/2025 at 11:15 AM, roguetrader said:

Reading the chaff here I suppose that next March Cael & Co will be solely judged by their ability to exceed this year's finish. Soon anything less than all 10 in the top 3 will be deemed "failure" - how will the PSU coaching staff handle all the pressure ? I suspect they'll start by not reading anything posted here....but I do and I appreciate the history you pointed out.

Yeah...I personally think they'll just say..."well, guess we got top this years performance."

I don't even find it that...hard to imagine. 

What is their lineup likely to be next year?

125-Lillednahl
-I'll take him as my early favorite.
133-Ono
-A World Champion? Crookham is going to have to take him down or take top to beat him...IMO.
141-Blaze-legit NC potential, but I'll say top 5
149-SVN-Top 3 and if he Wrestles a little smarter, NC
157-Kasak-NC
165-MM-NC
174-Haines-NC
184-Barr-top 6(this is just such a tough weight
197-Mirasola or Ryder
HWT-Sadulaev was talking about enrolling, but I think it's going to be Taz as of now...Sad they said could come, but he'd have to get used to wrestling 92KG so he can make the cut to '97 more easily as Taz is going to go HWT....

125-184 all have LEGITIMATE chances to win
197-HWT, both lose a lot of guys, but I don't know what the Mirasola twins will do. 

 

Outside of Ono, Duke and Blaze...which is the greatest class most schools ever have, they have like 6 other kids in the top ~45. Just...ridiculous. 

[scourge165]

42 minutes ago, Interviewed_at_Weehawken said:

At no point, did I question his "clutch gene.' More about how beat up he is at the end of the year, every year.

I didn't question his "clutch gene," though...I thought he could have beaten Parris.

He just always seemed so physically gifted, he looked disinterested. I didn't know he was badly hurt, so I thought the Hendrickson loss was the result of a 'well, if I win, I've just got Gable anyway,' IN PART. I didn't think he was saying this, but kinda in the back of your head.

Looking at his career and what he's all done, it's all the more impressive to see how he's performed if he's dealt with knee injuries yearly. 

[Interviewed_at_Weehawken]

12 minutes ago, Wrestleknownothing said:

There certainly was no pearl clutching from me. Hell, I wrote a long diatribe about people on here not wanting to believe a wrestler was injured in a sport where 100% of athletes get injured. You should use someone who is inconsistent on this point to try and make your point. That is not me.

You engaged me on this point, so perhaps you are confused.  My OP was responding to 1032004, then you apparently were offended? Also, I mentioned that the guy was great.  He just doesn't seem suited for a three day tournament. I'm not sure I get the outrage.

[Coastal]

On 3/23/2025 at 6:12 PM, AgaveMaria said:

So far Cael & Co aren't even half way to a tie with Dan Gable and 9 titles in a row.

What he is doing puts him at the level of Gable but I don't think 9 in a row will happen for PSU.

But it's known that Gable was cheating so all of his records should be looked at with a suspicious eye.

[Wrestleknownothing]

2 hours ago, Interviewed_at_Weehawken said:

I just think it is an interesting stat. Three wins in five trips to day 3, one being his title.  I mean, for a stats guy, you have to find that pretty interesting.  Just not built for day 3 wrestle-backs, I guess.

I mean, three wins in five trips may be a record setting performance, no?

No, it isn't remotely close to a record. Not even in very recent memory.

Daton Fix has one win in 5 trips with none of them being titles. Justin Harty and Gerry Abas have four trips with zero wins. There are 15 more wrestlers with three trips and zero wins. And a boat load more with three trips and one win, none of which were in a championship match.

Now stop pretending this is about your interest in numbers and records. We all know you have a problem with PSU fans who criticize Iowa coaches over injuries.

[Interviewed_at_Weehawken]

Just now, Wrestleknownothing said:

No, it isn't remotely close to a record. Not even in very recent memory.

Daton Fix has one win in 5 trips with none of them being titles. Justin Harty and Gerry Abas have four trips with zero wins. There are 15 more wrestlers with three trips and zero wins. And a boat load more with three trips and one win, none of which were in a championship match.

Now stop pretending this is about your interest in numbers and records. We all know you have a problem with PSU fans who criticize Iowa coaches over injuries.

5 trips.

But yes, Fix has the record with one.  Thanks.

Thanks for the research. Don't get so prickly, PSU just had the greatest performance in history.  Enjoy it.