Steveson vs Sndyer

[macwoodfleet]

Just now, Idaho said:

Schultz is more comparable to Coon.

Definitely closer. 

[Idaho]

2 minutes ago, macwoodfleet said:

Definitely closer. 

 

[boconnell]

25 minutes ago, macwoodfleet said:

Kerk's offense is really good, actually. It's at worst second best in the country. certainly not limited and has variation. great ankle pick, great double leg, can work short offense.

At worst?

It's clearly worse than Steveson's and it's not close.  He can't score on the guys that Steveson scores on repeatedly (world gold level guys).

So it's at best second best.  And he doesn't have more offense than Hendrickson.  He's cleaner in his technique.  He's much better defensively.  But Hendrickson has just as much offense in neutral and more from top.  

[bnwtwg]

34 minutes ago, macwoodfleet said:

Kerk's offense is really good, actually. It's at worst second best in the country. certainly not limited and has variation. great ankle pick, great double leg, can work short offense.

Can't chain wrestle to save his life. It will always haunt him at the senior level from taking The Leap. Even Taylor said as much and he's much sharper than my keyboard warrior "eye test"

[RawDog]

We need flo to make this match happen on one of their flo cards. Make it a catch weight where they meet somewhere in the middle like 240ish. That would be awesome to see.

[macwoodfleet]

25 minutes ago, boconnell said:

At worst?

It's clearly worse than Steveson's and it's not close.  He can't score on the guys that Steveson scores on repeatedly (world gold level guys).

So it's at best second best.  And he doesn't have more offense than Hendrickson.  He's cleaner in his technique.  He's much better defensively.  But Hendrickson has just as much offense in neutral and more from top.  

Hendrickson has a higher attack rate. He doesn't have more offense than Kerk. If Kerk needs to get a takedown, it's easier for him than Hendrickson.

[macwoodfleet]

19 minutes ago, bnwtwg said:

Can't chain wrestle to save his life. It will always haunt him at the senior level from taking The Leap. Even Taylor said as much and he's much sharper than my keyboard warrior "eye test"

yeah he's not a great chain wrestler but people are acting like he's some snooze in neutral. he led the HWT field in takedowns last year at the tournament. 

[bnwtwg]

2 minutes ago, macwoodfleet said:

yeah he's not a great chain wrestler but people are acting like he's some snooze in neutral. he led the HWT field in takedowns last year at the tournament. 

In case you think I'm disparaging him, I didn't say he's a snooze, I said it will hold him back at the senior level. Big difference.

[macwoodfleet]

Just now, bnwtwg said:

In case you think I'm disparaging him, I didn't say he's a snooze, I said it will hold him back at the senior level. Big difference.

no it wasn't you. Your analysis was fair

[boconnell]

1 hour ago, macwoodfleet said:

Hendrickson has a higher attack rate. He doesn't have more offense than Kerk. If Kerk needs to get a takedown, it's easier for him than Hendrickson.

What are you basing this on?  When is Hendrickson in need of a TD and he can't get it?  In his worst match of the year he took down Schultz multiple times.  The same number of times that Kerk did.  I think in neutral they are definitely comparable offensively (with Kerk better defensively).  I think it's no question that Hendrickson has more offense from top.  If you are talking about most offensive in neutral then I think it's reasonable to say Kerk is the 2nd best.  If you are saying most offensive then top matters and it's Hendrickson.

[macwoodfleet]

1 minute ago, boconnell said:

What are you basing this on?  When is Hendrickson in need of a TD and he can't get it?  In his worst match of the year he took down Schultz multiple times.  The same number of times that Kerk did.  I think in neutral they are definitely comparable offensively (with Kerk better defensively).  I think it's no question that Hendrickson has more offense from top.  If you are talking about most offensive in neutral then I think it's reasonable to say Kerk is the 2nd best.  If you are saying most offensive then top matters and it's Hendrickson.

Yeah I was talking neutral exclusively, sorry. Hendrickson definitely the better turner and pinner.

[boconnell]

25 minutes ago, macwoodfleet said:

Yeah I was talking neutral exclusively, sorry. Hendrickson definitely the better turner and pinner.

I can definitely see Kerk as the offensive equal or perhaps better in neutral.  

[scourge165]

10 hours ago, Perry said:

I may catch heat for this but I think Snyder would be the 4th best heavy this year at NCAAs

Yeah, THAT is nuts. 4th best?

We're putting Hendrickson above Snyder? I don't see a world in which that's realistic. 

[Perry]

4 hours ago, scourge165 said:

Yeah, THAT is nuts. 4th best?

We're putting Hendrickson above Snyder? I don't see a world in which that's realistic. 

Yes, I think this year's Hendrickson may beat the college version of Snyder (not current version) that also lost to Adam coon. I think kirkvliet is better than coon as well. 

Edited Wednesday at 11:34 AM by Perry

[scourge165]

5 minutes ago, Perry said:

Yes, I think this year's Hendrickson may beat the college version of Snyder (not current version) that also lost to Adam coon. I think kirkvliet is better than coon as well. 

You're effectively saying they're better than Gwiz then as well. 

[bnwtwg]

You people are in freakin bananas land. Snyder is definitively one of the four greatest US wrestlers of all time, a 4 time world champ with three happening DURING college over silver and bronze medalists at NCAAs (right after, but still) who beat up J'Den in the OTC room when he took home bronze. And you think a U23 champ who couldn't place at the real deal would beat him or a guy who got 4th at OTTs one time when at the same age Snyder was already onto his fifth world champs.

Yall need to lay off the sauce.

[steamboat_charlie]

2 hours ago, Perry said:

Yes, I think this year's Hendrickson may beat the college version of Snyder (not current version) that also lost to Adam coon. I think kirkvliet is better than coon as well. 

Lost one match to Coon in a dual, which he reversed at NCAAs.  He lost one match in three years at heavyweight while training basically exclusively freestyle.  Coon is arguably the best heavyweight to never win a title, and won a world silver that same year.  

[bnwtwg]

13 minutes ago, steamboat_charlie said:

Lost one match to Coon in a dual, which he reversed at NCAAs.  He lost one match in three years at heavyweight while training basically exclusively freestyle.  Coon is arguably the best heavyweight to never win a title, and won a world silver that same year.  

Coon lost twice in the finals. Once to Gwiz (just a couple world medals no big deal) and Snyder (chump who would struggle to finish 4th this year). He is as underrated as it gets... 2nd at OTT as a soph and folks are real quick to forget that he was a double WTT finalist in free the same year he won world silver.

[scourge165]

19 hours ago, bnwtwg said:

Coon lost twice in the finals. Once to Gwiz (just a couple world medals no big deal) and Snyder (chump who would struggle to finish 4th this year). He is as underrated as it gets... 2nd at OTT as a soph and folks are real quick to forget that he was a double WTT finalist in free the same year he won world silver.

I'm not entirely sure what you're saying here. He was a double WTT finalist in free the same year he won silver?

 

I'm with you, this is silly, especially Hendrickson, but Kerk also, but what's that mean?

[The Kid]

22 hours ago, Perry said:

Yes, I think this year's Hendrickson may beat the college version of Snyder (not current version) that also lost to Adam coon. I think kirkvliet is better than coon as well. 

lol...  you shouldn't post when drunk.

[Boring]

On 3/18/2025 at 8:51 PM, BAC said:

LOL maybe.  But doesn't Hendrickson sort of remind you of Coon?  Just a big mammoth heavyweight that Snyder would have a hard time moving around.  I think Hendrickson is probably more athletic too.

I'm curious how the Kerk v Snyder live matches go in the PSU room.  Have to think Snyder gets the better of him, but I don't doubt it's competitive.  

In freestyle, I'd say all three of Gable/Hendrickson/Kerk are probably top 10 in the world, right now.  We've had a glut of world-level talent at HWT the last several years, which suddenly drops off next year.

I think Hendrickson has more mobility than Coon. Coon moved like Frankenstein's monster. I think Snyder would've whipped Hendrickson, btw. 

[Boring]

20 hours ago, bnwtwg said:

Coon lost twice in the finals. Once to Gwiz (just a couple world medals no big deal) and Snyder (chump who would struggle to finish 4th this year). He is as underrated as it gets... 2nd at OTT as a soph and folks are real quick to forget that he was a double WTT finalist in free the same year he won world silver.

Yeah, but Coon was a Greco guy, that's why he gets less respect. If he got silver in world FS, he'd get more respect.