peanut Posted Monday at 03:39 PM Posted Monday at 03:39 PM (edited) ?? Edited Monday at 03:42 PM by peanut
Alces Alces Gigas Posted Monday at 04:34 PM Posted Monday at 04:34 PM Jimmy Jackson should be on the list 1
lu_alum Posted Monday at 05:00 PM Posted Monday at 05:00 PM 21 minutes ago, lisa morales said: Jim Nance +1
peanut Posted Monday at 09:40 PM Author Posted Monday at 09:40 PM 5 hours ago, lisa morales said: Jim Nance Interesting. I don’t know much about him. What’s your reasoning?
peanut Posted Monday at 09:43 PM Author Posted Monday at 09:43 PM No love for Neal, who, immediately after his senior year, won a world title and was named World’s Most Technical Wrestler by FILA? 1 1
Coastal Posted Monday at 10:04 PM Posted Monday at 10:04 PM It would be interesting to see what heavyweight would look like if it was still unlimited. Not Tab Thacker heavy but NFL lineman 340-350 and in shape.
boconnell Posted Monday at 10:18 PM Posted Monday at 10:18 PM 35 minutes ago, peanut said: No love for Neal, who, immediately after his senior year, won a world title and was named World’s Most Technical Wrestler by FILA? That's probably because there are two guys who won world golds before their senior year and also had more credentials across the board. 1
bnwtwg Posted Monday at 10:23 PM Posted Monday at 10:23 PM Snyder has to win by default because he beat Coon who was already a world silver medalist when they met the final time. The logic is that this is strictly NCAA, not what someone became after such as Gwiz or Parris and their respective bronzes post-collegiately. It's a very thin argument though because really Snyder and Steveson are co-goat... a COAT if you will. i am an idiot on the internet
boconnell Posted Monday at 10:25 PM Posted Monday at 10:25 PM 1 minute ago, bnwtwg said: Snyder has to win by default because he beat Coon who was already a world silver medalist when they met the final time. The logic is that this is strictly NCAA, not what someone became after such as Gwiz or Parris and their respective bronzes post-collegiately. It's a very thin argument though because really Snyder and Steveson are co-goat... a COAT if you will. Why would beating a silver medalist be better than being the gold medalist.
bnwtwg Posted Monday at 10:32 PM Posted Monday at 10:32 PM 4 minutes ago, boconnell said: Why would beating a silver medalist be better than being the gold medalist. What gold medalist did Steveson beat at NCAAs? If you are referring to reigning world champion then Snyder did that AND defended his title while in college while Steveson did not make a team until his olympic debut. So again, logical advantage = Snyder but like I said it's picking nits. They share the title. i am an idiot on the internet
boconnell Posted Monday at 10:35 PM Posted Monday at 10:35 PM 1 minute ago, bnwtwg said: What gold medalist did Steveson beat at NCAAs? If you are referring to reigning world champion then Snyder did that AND defended his title while in college while Steveson did not make a team until his olympic debut. So again, logical advantage = Snyder but like I said it's picking nits. They share the title. I said 'being' not 'beating'. Steveson was the gold Medalist. Snyder beat a silver medalist. That's not advantage Snyder. Snyder's own gold medal is far more impressive than him beating a silver medalist. But winning gold doesn't put him ahead of another guy winning gold. Especially in an argument about heavyweight where Snyder's golds and wins over medalists come 70 lbs down.
lu_alum Posted Monday at 10:59 PM Posted Monday at 10:59 PM 1 hour ago, peanut said: Interesting. I don’t know much about him. What’s your reasoning? Jim Nance only lost one bout in HS or College - and that loss was controversial in nature. He beat a future five-time World medalist to win his first NCAA title. It is a significant oversight not to include him in the poll. It has been suggested that PA created the heavyweight class because to accommodate Nance. https://nwhof.org/hall_of_fame/bio/8074 https://www.eiwawrestling.org/HOF/Hall_of_Fame/nance-jim?view=bio 2
mspart Posted Monday at 11:02 PM Posted Monday at 11:02 PM Howard Harris of Oregon St. He had the GOAT NCAA tourney pinning his way in all matches, including pinning Big Bruce. He won the Gorarrian award for that tourney. Monster. mspart 1
lisa morales Posted Monday at 11:27 PM Posted Monday at 11:27 PM Jim "Bo" Nance was also a great running back for Syracuse and the Patriots.
peanut Posted Monday at 11:45 PM Author Posted Monday at 11:45 PM (edited) 46 minutes ago, lu_alum said: Jim Nance only lost one bout in HS or College - and that loss was controversial in nature. He beat a future five-time World medalist to win his first NCAA title. It is a significant oversight not to include him in the poll. It has been suggested that PA created the heavyweight class because to accommodate Nance. https://nwhof.org/hall_of_fame/bio/8074 https://www.eiwawrestling.org/HOF/Hall_of_Fame/nance-jim?view=bio I included McCready and Hutton, who won three titles in the three-year era. I knew that Nance won two NCAA titles in the three-year era, and had no international hardware. I did not know that Nance was held in such high regard. Good to know. Edited Monday at 11:46 PM by peanut
bnwtwg Posted yesterday at 12:14 AM Posted yesterday at 12:14 AM 1 hour ago, boconnell said: I said 'being' not 'beating'. Steveson was the gold Medalist. Snyder beat a silver medalist. That's not advantage Snyder. Snyder's own gold medal is far more impressive than him beating a silver medalist. But winning gold doesn't put him ahead of another guy winning gold. Especially in an argument about heavyweight where Snyder's golds and wins over medalists come 70 lbs down. You are being intentionally obtuse. Snyder won his first worlds in college by beating the defending gold medalist. Then he won the Olympics. Then he won worlds again. Then he beat world silver Coon for the 2018 NCAA tourney. Threw golds in college including a college win over a returning world medalist. Steveson won an Olympic title his third year of college by defeating 2019 world champ Geno. He did not beat any world medalists during the NCAA season, unlike Snyder. i am an idiot on the internet
Wrestleknownothing Posted yesterday at 12:18 AM Posted yesterday at 12:18 AM 30 minutes ago, peanut said: I included McCready and Hutton, who won three titles in the three-year era. I knew that Nance won two NCAA titles in the three-year era, and had no international hardware. I did not know that Nance was held in such high regard. Good to know. Hutton won 3 of 4 in the brief post-war 4 year era. Back then if it was tied the ref would decide. He won one that way and lost one that way. Both were 1-1. Drowning in data, but thirsting for knowledge
Alces Alces Gigas Posted yesterday at 02:00 AM Posted yesterday at 02:00 AM (edited) Nance lost in the semis to Bob Billberg of Moorhead State (MN) who was the NAIA champ that year (66) MSU was dual affiliated back then so they wrestled in two national tournaments Edited yesterday at 02:01 AM by Alces Alces Gigas
Eagle26 Posted yesterday at 02:37 AM Posted yesterday at 02:37 AM 2 hours ago, bnwtwg said: You are being intentionally obtuse. Snyder won his first worlds in college by beating the defending gold medalist. Then he won the Olympics. Then he won worlds again. Then he beat world silver Coon for the 2018 NCAA tourney. Threw golds in college including a college win over a returning world medalist. Steveson won an Olympic title his third year of college by defeating 2019 world champ Geno. He did not beat any world medalists during the NCAA season, unlike Snyder. You have to factor in that Snyder’s world and Olympic medals were not at heavyweight. Taking nothing away from his career … he’s definitely the GOAT “light heavyweight”, but no way is he the GOAT at heavyweight. He lost to Coon his senior year. Gable hasn’t been close to losing a match. Do you really think senior year Snyder would stand a chance against Gable?
boconnell Posted yesterday at 03:02 AM Posted yesterday at 03:02 AM 2 hours ago, bnwtwg said: You are being intentionally obtuse. Snyder won his first worlds in college by beating the defending gold medalist. Then he won the Olympics. Then he won worlds again. Then he beat world silver Coon for the 2018 NCAA tourney. Threw golds in college including a college win over a returning world medalist. Steveson won an Olympic title his third year of college by defeating 2019 world champ Geno. He did not beat any world medalists during the NCAA season, unlike Snyder. Why would it matter who they were beating in season and who they were beating before the season at the olympic tournament? Why would beating Adam Coon matter in deciding who was better between two guys who were actual Olympic champs? They have credentials that far surpass Adam Coon, so declaring that the victory over coon is what separates them is silly.
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