Add to Muck woes - 4 tesla trucks were on faire in Seattle.

[Caveira]

23 minutes ago, 1032004 said:

Now they’re calling keying a car “terrorism,” lol

 

 

 

It is a politically motivated attack no?  Minor one …. But still politically motivated.   

[fishbane]

28 minutes ago, headshuck said:

Why not. It’s a felony and jail time if you mid-pronoun someone in some states.

I’d rather have someone call me a girly man than key my car.

Which states?

[headshuck]

Which states?

I was going to say Michigan, but Grok clarified.

Based on the information available as of March 18, 2025, no state in the United States explicitly classifies the act of misgendering or using the wrong pronouns as a standalone felony. However, there has been significant debate and misinformation surrounding certain state laws, particularly in Michigan, that are worth clarifying.

In Michigan, House Bill 4474, passed by the state House in June 2023, expands the state's hate crime laws to include protections for sexual orientation, gender identity, and gender expression, among other characteristics. Some critics and media outlets claimed this bill could make intentionally using the wrong pronouns a felony, punishable by up to 5 years in prison or a $10,000 fine. However, the bill itself does not mention "pronouns" or "misgendering" explicitly. Instead, it defines a hate crime as "maliciously and intentionally" intimidating or harassing someone based on protected characteristics, where "intimidate" involves "repeated or continuing harassment" that causes a reasonable person to feel "terrorized, frightened, or threatened." Legal experts and lawmakers, including the bill’s sponsors, have stated that simply using the wrong pronoun, even intentionally, would not meet this threshold without additional threatening behavior. The bill has not yet been passed into law by the Michigan Senate as of the latest updates, so it is not currently enforceable.

Elsewhere, no state has a law specifically designating misgendering as a felony. For example:
- **California**: A 2017 law (SB 219) requires long-term care facilities to respect residents' preferred names and pronouns, with penalties up to $1,000 or a year in jail for willful and repeated violations. This is a misdemeanor, not a felony, and applies only in specific contexts, not broadly.
- **New York**: State and city human rights laws protect against gender identity discrimination, which can include persistent misgendering in employment or public accommodations, but violations are typically civil matters, not felonies.

Claims on platforms like X have exaggerated these laws, suggesting broad felony penalties for misgendering, but these are not supported by the legal texts or current enforcement. In summary, while some states have laws that could theoretically penalize repeated, intentional misgendering as part of broader harassment or discrimination statutes, none explicitly make it a felony on its own. Always approach such claims critically, as misinformation is common on this topic.

[headshuck]

[fishbane]

1 hour ago, Caveira said:

It is a politically motivated attack no?  Minor one …. But still politically motivated.   

There would be an investigation to determine the motive since a terrorism charge requires proof of motive to be successful.  That said since the FBI is looking for this guy and not the local police I would guess that he's done this to more than 1 car to attack their attention.

[1032004]

30 minutes ago, headshuck said:

I was going to say Michigan, but Grok clarified.

Based on the information available as of March 18, 2025, no state in the United States explicitly classifies the act of misgendering or using the wrong pronouns as a standalone felony. However, there has been significant debate and misinformation surrounding certain state laws, particularly in Michigan, that are worth clarifying.

In Michigan, House Bill 4474, passed by the state House in June 2023, expands the state's hate crime laws to include protections for sexual orientation, gender identity, and gender expression, among other characteristics. Some critics and media outlets claimed this bill could make intentionally using the wrong pronouns a felony, punishable by up to 5 years in prison or a $10,000 fine. However, the bill itself does not mention "pronouns" or "misgendering" explicitly. Instead, it defines a hate crime as "maliciously and intentionally" intimidating or harassing someone based on protected characteristics, where "intimidate" involves "repeated or continuing harassment" that causes a reasonable person to feel "terrorized, frightened, or threatened." Legal experts and lawmakers, including the bill’s sponsors, have stated that simply using the wrong pronoun, even intentionally, would not meet this threshold without additional threatening behavior. The bill has not yet been passed into law by the Michigan Senate as of the latest updates, so it is not currently enforceable.

Elsewhere, no state has a law specifically designating misgendering as a felony. For example:
- **California**: A 2017 law (SB 219) requires long-term care facilities to respect residents' preferred names and pronouns, with penalties up to $1,000 or a year in jail for willful and repeated violations. This is a misdemeanor, not a felony, and applies only in specific contexts, not broadly.
- **New York**: State and city human rights laws protect against gender identity discrimination, which can include persistent misgendering in employment or public accommodations, but violations are typically civil matters, not felonies.

Claims on platforms like X have exaggerated these laws, suggesting broad felony penalties for misgendering, but these are not supported by the legal texts or current enforcement. In summary, while some states have laws that could theoretically penalize repeated, intentional misgendering as part of broader harassment or discrimination statutes, none explicitly make it a felony on its own. Always approach such claims critically, as misinformation is common on this topic.

That’s a lot of words to say that you were wrong 

[Caveira]

16 minutes ago, fishbane said:

There would be an investigation to determine the motive since a terrorism charge requires proof of motive to be successful.  That said since the FBI is looking for this guy and not the local police I would guess that he's done this to more than 1 car to attack their attention.

When a dude gets killed.   They are looking for a murder suspect?   When they catch said dude sometimes they charge him with murder.  Sometimes manslaughter.  Sometimes nothing?

 

”they” in the op is a twitter handle called amuse.  Who cares what amuse has to say.   
 

Should I go find the 83,838 posts during bidens era where twitter is bla stupid bla x is not the news don’t post TikTok’s here …….

Edited March 18 by Caveira

[fishbane]

8 minutes ago, Caveira said:

When a dude gets killed.   They are looking for a murder suspect?   When they catch said dude sometimes they charge him with murder.  Sometimes manslaughter.  Sometimes nothing?

 

”they” in the op is a twitter handle called amuse.  Who cares what amuse has to say.   

Lol, you're right.  Saw the video too.  Just looks like a guy on his way either to or from a flight.  Calling the FBI would be a waste of time

[1032004]

5 minutes ago, fishbane said:

Lol, you're right.  Saw the video too.  Just looks like a guy on his way either to or from a flight.  Calling the FBI would be a waste of time

Seems like something DOGE should put a stop to 

[1032004]

19 minutes ago, Caveira said:

When a dude gets killed.   They are looking for a murder suspect?   When they catch said dude sometimes they charge him with murder.  Sometimes manslaughter.  Sometimes nothing?

 

”they” in the op is a twitter handle called amuse.  Who cares what amuse has to say.   
 

Should I go find the 83,838 posts during bidens era where twitter is bla stupid bla x is not the news don’t post TikTok’s here …….

True, “amuse” is one of the biggest liars on x.    Unfortunately the owner of the site often reposts his stuff 

[1032004]

Wouldn’t be shocked if Musk was behind the Tesla fires.  It doesn’t really make sense for libs to do it since most Tesla owners are libs that bought them before Musk went MAGA.  And vandalizing them is only bringing attention, it’s not going to bring down the stock price.  
 

(But then again some libs do do some things that don’t make sense, as I’m sure some of the people that keyed the Teslas were libs, but they probably didn’t think those incidents would get publicized)

Edited March 20 by 1032004

[headshuck]

Tim Walz is really stepping in it.

[fishbane]

1 hour ago, headshuck said:

Tim Walz is really stepping in it.
 

Lol.  They are really stretching with this. Those holdings are in an index fund and an actively managed fund.  Tesla is less than 2% of holdings in both funds.  These are just two of several funds held by the state pension fund.  Tesla represents less than 1% of the pension fund.  The state pension fund is going to be just fine.  Nothing wrong with an over valued stock falling in price. That's how things are supposed to work.

Edited March 20 by fishbane

[Bigbrog]

2 hours ago, 1032004 said:

Wouldn’t be shocked if Musk was behind the Tesla fires.  It doesn’t really make sense for libs to do it since most Tesla owners are libs that bought them before Musk went MAGA.  And vandalizing them is only bringing attention, it’s not going to bring down the stock price.  
 

(But then again some libs do do some things that don’t make sense, as I’m sure some of the people that keyed the Teslas were libs, but they probably didn’t think those incidents would get publicized)

Come on...seriously?!?!

[1032004]

50 minutes ago, fishbane said:

Lol.  They are really stretching with this. Those holdings are in an index fund and an actively managed fund.  Tesla is less than 2% of holdings in both funds.  These are just two of several funds held by the state pension fund.  Tesla represents less than 1% of the pension fund.  The state pension fund is going to be just fine.  Nothing wrong with an over valued stock falling in price. That's how things are supposed to work.

Also I believe the same situation happened with Republicans celebrating declines of Anheuser Busch despite their pension funds holding that stock.  And that stock decline was almost solely the result of conservative boycotts.

[1032004]

18 minutes ago, Bigbrog said:

Come on...seriously?!?!

I’m not surprised by much anymore.  Musk is really going out of his way to comment on tons of posts calling this “domestic terrorism,” it feels contrived 

[Caveira]

1 hour ago, 1032004 said:

I’m not surprised by much anymore.  Musk is really going out of his way to comment on tons of posts calling this “domestic terrorism,” it feels contrived 

I’ll bet this guy is gainfully employed.  
 

 

[Caveira]

What do you think the hardened criminals in prison will do to this little powder puff.  He faces 20 years in a federal pound me in the azz prison.  

Daniel Clarke-Pounder, 24, burned down three EV chargers in a South Carolina parking lot Friday — where he scrawled “f–k Trump” and “long live the Ukraine,” according to federal prosecutors.
 

https://nypost.com/2025/03/18/us-news/south-carolina-anti-musk-activist-who-vandalized-tesla-dealership-accidentally-sets-himself-on-fire/

[red viking]

Just now, Caveira said:

What do you think the hardened criminals in prison will do to this little powder puff.  He faces 20 years in a federal pound me in the azz prison.  

Daniel Clarke-Pounder, 24, burned down three EV chargers in a South Carolina parking lot Friday — where he scrawled “f–k Trump” and “long live the Ukraine,” according to federal prosecutors.
 

https://nypost.com/2025/03/18/us-news/south-carolina-anti-musk-activist-who-vandalized-tesla-dealership-accidentally-sets-himself-on-fire/

He'll get a worse punishment simply because it was a Tesla. 

[Caveira]

2 minutes ago, red viking said:

He'll get a worse punishment simply because it was a Tesla. 

Good.   Why would that be bad?

[red viking]

11 minutes ago, Caveira said:

Good.   Why would that be bad?

It's great. People loyal to the President (especially if they "donate" money) should get special treatment and other favors. Corruption is GREAT!! But only when people are loyal to the wingers. If it involves democrats, lock them up. 

Edited March 20 by red viking

[Caveira]

3 minutes ago, red viking said:

It's great. People loyal to the President (especially if they "donate" money) should get special treatment and other favors. Corruption is GREAT!! But only when people are loyal to the wingers. If it involves democrats, lock them up. 

Maybe they should get pardons too?  Even if they are family.

you do the crime be ready to do the time buddy.  Politically motivated arson should be sharply punished.  

[red viking]

2 hours ago, Caveira said:

Maybe they should get pardons too?  Even if they are family.

you do the crime be ready to do the time buddy.  Politically motivated arson should be sharply punished.  

Yes. Just like the Jan 6 rioters. 

[Caveira]

13 hours ago, red viking said:

Yes. Just like the Jan 6 rioters. 

Here is a good non violent flower loving radical left winger…. probably driving to work.   

 

[mspart]

That's what RV calls freedom of speech dontchya know.   It's rough being a soccer mom anymore. 

mspart