Seeding 125 and 141 for NCAAs

[Jimmy Cinnabon]

This will be quite the pickle.

How do people see this going?

I know there is a formula but I am going to assume if you have 3 losses or more and did not win your conference there's no shot of a #1 seed.

125 contenders for #1 seed:

• Ventresca 18-3, ACC champ
• Lilledahl 20-2, Big Ten champ
• Ramos, 26-1, 3rd place Big Ten
• Figueroa 16-2, 3rd place Big 12

141 contenders for #1 seed:

• Hardy, 23-3, Big Ten champ
• Bartlett, 21-1, 3rd place Big Ten
• Alirez, 16-1, 3rd place Big 12
• Happel, 21-3, Big 12 champ
• Koderhandt, 23-3, EIWA champ

Edited yesterday at 12:12 PM by Jimmy Cinnabon

[JimmyCinnabon]

125lbs

1. Lilledahl

2. Ventresca

3. Ramos

4. Figueroa

 

Ramos cannot be #1 after losing to Lilledahl who won the conference. Had Luke not won the conference he'd have a much better argument. Ventresca won his conference so he gets the #2. Ramos has one less loss and finished third like Figs so he gets the #3. However, knowing that you frequently forget about people there could be others you haven't even considered.

141lbs

No idea. However, people might hate this take but Bartlett has as solid a claim to the #1 seed as anyone. I know Hardy won the conference but he didn't beat Bartlett to do it. A matter of fact one of his three losses this year is to Bartlett. 141lbs is a mess though.

 

Edited yesterday at 12:16 PM by JimmyCinnabon

[1032004]

Strickenberger only has 2 losses at 125, he could be 2 or 3.

I assume Lilledahl will be #1.  He’ll probably be ranked #1 after beating the previous #1.

[ChickenWing]

Strickenberger should be in the conversation. Besides Big 12 champ, he must be hollow. He looked huge compared to Spratley.

[Jimmy Cinnabon]

2 minutes ago, ChickenWing said:

Strickenberger should be in the conversation. Besides Big 12 champ, he must be hollow. He looked huge compared to Spratley.

He has 6 losses this season though.  Can they ignore all his losses at 133?

[ChickenWing]

2 minutes ago, Jimmy Cinnabon said:

He has 6 losses this season though.  Can they ignore all his losses at 133?

Good call but if they don't ignore them he could be a huge (literally) road block in the quarters.

[nhs67]

6 minutes ago, Jimmy Cinnabon said:

He has 6 losses this season though.  Can they ignore all his losses at 133?

They must ignore them.  Only matches at the weight count.

Edited yesterday at 12:56 PM by nhs67

[nhs67]

Does Strick have 15 matches at 125lbs?

[Jimmy Cinnabon]

1 minute ago, nhs67 said:

Does Strick have 15 matches at 125lbs?

Yes, exactly 15.  He has 2 losses at 125.

[smitty111]

141 is going to be tough.  Alirez #1 all the way to #8 would not be surprised.  

[Gus]

125 will likely be LL

141 - I think Bartlett probably has the best case with 2 wins over Mendez and a Hardy win. Hardy has great wins but lost to the Big 12 guys (Happel and Jamison) as well as Bartlett. Alirez just doesn't have enough quality wins this year to get himself in the #1 conversation in my opinion. 

[smitty111]

1 Bartlett

2. Happel

3. Hardy

4. Koderhandt

5. Mendez

6. Jamison

7. Vombaur

8. Allierz

 

The quarters are going to be nuts

Edited yesterday at 01:34 PM by smitty111

[Dogbone]

6 minutes ago, Gus said:

125 will likely be LL

141 - I think Bartlett probably has the best case with 2 wins over Mendez and a Hardy win. Hardy has great wins but lost to the Big 12 guys (Happel and Jamison) as well as Bartlett. Alirez just doesn't have enough quality wins this year to get himself in the #1 conversation in my opinion. 

I think this is probably right but I hate that it encourages the weaker schedule.     I wish on these close ones they would give it to the guy with the harder schedule even if he picked up an extra loss on the way. 

[TylerDurden]

10 minutes ago, smitty111 said:

1 Bartlett

2. Happel

3. Hardy

4. Koderhandt

5. Mendez

6. Jamison

7. Vombaur

8. Allierz

 

The quarters are going to be nuts

That's a nightmare for a No. 1 seed. 

[smitty111]

Alirez does not have a top 10 win.  It will be interesting to see where they seed him.  Actually Mendez could be the 4 and Koderhandt the 5

[Husker_Du]

Happel has horrible losses. no shot he's the 2

[Husker_Du]

Spencer Moore has wins over 3 conference champs and needs a wild card lol

[Dogbone]

Depending on where the 2 national champs get put in the bracket, the #1 seed at 141 is probably the least important #1 seed.   If Alirez is the 8 and Mendez is the 4/5, most guys might rather be on the bottom half even if that means they are the 7. 

 

[ChickenWing]

I don't care where Bartlett is seeded. I just hope ESPN goes to commercials when he wrestles and just replays his one shot per match.

[Truzzcat]

1. Bartlett/Hardy (should be Bartlett not sure what the weight is on conference champ for the formula)

2. Hardy/Bartlett

3. Happel

4. Mendez

5. Koderhandt

6. Vombaur

7. Alirez

8. Jamison

[nhs67]

FWIW, I plugged in everything from the basic 'Top 8' that everyone seems to agree on and added the three champs from the ACC, Ivy, and MAC (P12 champ is 11W-9L so I did not include him) to ChatGPT.  I gave it all the results of each wrestler, the criteria, etc.  It seems to be ignoring Coaches Rank, but this is what it spit out for a 'Top 11' of these gents.

1 - Hardy, Nebraska
2 - Bartlett, Penn State
3 - Happel, Northern Iowa
4 - Mendez, the Ohio State
5 - Koderhandt, Navy
6 - Composito, Penn
7 - Henson, Lock Haven
8 - Alirez, Northern Colorado
9 - Vombaur, Minny
10 - Jamison, Oklahoma State
11 - Cedena, Virginia

Honestly, aside for it ranking Henson reaaally high, I don't mind it.  Drop Henson to 11 and move the rest up one, and I think you have it.

Edit:  For these 11 only**   I wouldn't be surprised to see others jump Henson.  Henson has zero top 44 wins (per wrestlestat) and has lost to everyone ranked better than 44 he has wrestled.

Edited yesterday at 02:18 PM by nhs67

[nhs67]

2 minutes ago, Truzzcat said:

1. Bartlett/Hardy (should be Bartlett not sure what the weight is on conference champ for the formula)

2. Hardy/Bartlett

3. Happel

4. Mendez

5. Koderhandt

6. Vombaur

7. Alirez

8. Jamison

[cowcards]

20 minutes ago, Husker_Du said:

Happel has horrible losses. no shot he's the 2

This. Happel won't end up top-4 because of them. Koderhandt has only lost to Mendez and Hardy while beating Frost, Lemley, Vombaur this season. He has the quality wins to be the 4 behind Bartlett, Hardy, and Mendez. Hardy's losses to Jamison and Happel keep him from any higher than 3. 

[nhs67]

Just now, cowcards said:

This. Happel won't end up top-4 because of them. Koderhandt has only lost to Mendez and Hardy while beating Frost, Lemley, Vombaur this season. He has the quality wins to be the 4 behind Bartlett, Hardy, and Mendez. Hardy's losses to Jamison and Happel keep him from any higher than 3. 

Happel dropping would also insinuate both Alirez and Jamison drop as well, correct?

[Jimmy Cinnabon]

12 minutes ago, ChickenWing said:

I don't care where Bartlett is seeded. I just hope ESPN goes to commercials when he wrestles and just replays his one shot per match.

In his 2 wins over defending champ Jesse Mendez Bartlett has scored ALL of the takedowns...