Jimmy Cinnabon Posted Monday at 01:31 PM Posted Monday at 01:31 PM Two offensive dynamos...both huge and strong for the weight. How do we see this match play out?
Hank Posted Monday at 03:06 PM Posted Monday at 03:06 PM starocci does so little that mcennely falls asleep. 1-0 starocci.
headshuck Posted Monday at 03:16 PM Posted Monday at 03:16 PM If Starocci wins in the Big 10 finals, where do you think Max gets seeded at NCAAs?
Jimmy Cinnabon Posted Monday at 03:49 PM Author Posted Monday at 03:49 PM 32 minutes ago, headshuck said: If Starocci wins in the Big 10 finals, where do you think Max gets seeded at NCAAs? 3rd
Jimmy Cinnabon Posted Monday at 03:49 PM Author Posted Monday at 03:49 PM 1 Star 2 Keck 3 McNelley 4 Plott
Wrestleknownothing Posted Monday at 03:59 PM Posted Monday at 03:59 PM 28 minutes ago, headshuck said: If Starocci wins in the Big 10 finals, where do you think Max gets seeded at NCAAs? If he loses to Starocci in the final and Keckheisen wins B12, I think #3, but maybe #4 behind Foca. Among the seeding criteria his only head to head is with Berge (25%) and he wins that. He also takes quality wins over the field. Even though he has fewer than others, his are in higher tiers. Not sure if they split this 20% (15/5) or not. If Foca wins Ivy then he gets the 15% for conference placement over McEnelly, which could be the difference, if it also influences the coaches' rank (10%). But if the coaches do not flip them he should keep the lead and be in the #3 slot due to a better RPI (10%). Drowning in data, but thirsting for knowledge
ionel Posted Monday at 05:42 PM Posted Monday at 05:42 PM 1 hour ago, Jimmy Cinnabon said: 1 Star 2 Keck 3 McNelley 4 Plott Why would McNelley be seeded over Plott? Not that Plott should mind, he'd prob rather be on opposite side of Keck. Of course we don't know ... Keck could get the 1. Now sure if Ferrari wrestles and McNelley beats him then makes sense. 1 .
Pinnacle Posted Monday at 05:45 PM Posted Monday at 05:45 PM McEnnelly would need to alter his style to have any shot at Starooci. Star is going to Esc and might get 2 minutes RT as well.
headshuck Posted Monday at 05:54 PM Posted Monday at 05:54 PM Could Max force a stalling point in 2 periods on their feet?
ionel Posted Monday at 06:01 PM Posted Monday at 06:01 PM 5 minutes ago, headshuck said: Could Max force a stalling point in 2 periods on their feet? As long as the match isn't wrestled at Penn St ... yes. .
Jimmy Cinnabon Posted Monday at 06:21 PM Author Posted Monday at 06:21 PM 26 minutes ago, headshuck said: Could Max force a stalling point in 2 periods on their feet? Yes, if Starocci pulls his best Angelo Ferrari imitation.
Wrestleknownothing Posted Monday at 08:26 PM Posted Monday at 08:26 PM 2 hours ago, ionel said: Why would McNelley be seeded over Plott? Not that Plott should mind, he'd prob rather be on opposite side of Keck. Of course we don't know ... Keck could get the 1. Now sure if Ferrari wrestles and McNelley beats him then makes sense. Better win %, higher quality wins score, better common opponents. Similar RPI right now, not sure which way that goes after conference tournament, ditto coaches' rank. Push on head to head, and conference finish (assuming they are both second). 1 Drowning in data, but thirsting for knowledge
ionel Posted Monday at 08:37 PM Posted Monday at 08:37 PM 6 minutes ago, Wrestleknownothing said: Better win %, higher quality wins score, better common opponents. Similar RPI right now, not sure which way that goes after conference tournament, ditto coaches' rank. Push on head to head, and conference finish (assuming they are both second). Who has McNelley faced in the top 5? Win percentage is mostly about hitting Keck twice already, can't see McNelley's record any different if he had Plott's schedule. But this is a weight where seeds don't matter. You just don't want to face Keck of Starocci and you don't get that option. Keck is a beast and Starocci has shown that maybe if you get the right ref there's a stall win option ... yeah probably not. .
Wrestleknownothing Posted Monday at 08:39 PM Posted Monday at 08:39 PM (edited) 12 minutes ago, ionel said: Who has McNelley faced in the top 5? Win percentage is mostly about hitting Keck twice already, can't see McNelley's record any different if he had Plott's schedule. But this is a weight where seeds don't matter. You just don't want to face Keck of Starocci and you don't get that option. Keck is a beast and Starocci has shown that maybe if you get the right ref there's a stall win option ... yeah probably not. McEnelley has a tier 1 win (Berge) and two tier 2 wins. Plott's highest win is tier 3. Edited Monday at 08:49 PM by Wrestleknownothing Drowning in data, but thirsting for knowledge
MNRodent Posted Tuesday at 05:03 AM Posted Tuesday at 05:03 AM I'm a Gopher fan and certainly admit that it would be foolish to pick Max straight up odds against a 4X champ in their first meeting. Starocci has a certain mat savviness that he would need to overcome. It's possible in a second meeting, but I want to see them wrestle once first before making that call.
okokzach Posted Tuesday at 05:23 AM Posted Tuesday at 05:23 AM 8 hours ago, Wrestleknownothing said: McEnelley has a tier 1 win (Berge) and two tier 2 wins. Plott's highest win is tier 3. Plott and Berge should meet in the Big 12 semis If Plott beats Berge, I think he deserves the 3 seed at NCAAs. However I'd rather him get the 4 and be on Carter's side. Not because he would have a better chance than he does against Parker, but because it would be a fresh matchup
RawDog Posted Tuesday at 06:27 AM Posted Tuesday at 06:27 AM When was the last time starocci gave up a takedown?
Camel Wrestling Fan Posted Tuesday at 06:31 AM Posted Tuesday at 06:31 AM 3rd grade P.E. class when he was wrestling the varsity coach?
RockLobster Posted Tuesday at 07:34 AM Posted Tuesday at 07:34 AM 17 hours ago, Jimmy Cinnabon said: Two offensive dynamos...both huge and strong for the weight. How do we see this match play out? You nailed it. Two offensive guys getting after it. This should play out to be a giant 'W' for wrestling fans. Starocci clearly has the edge based on credentials/experience. That'd be the smart bet. The undefeated freshman is fun to watch, too. Hard to root against him. IMO, the smartest bet is to not overthink it. Sit back and enjoy this one like a movie you haven't seen the trailer for. 1
Wrestleknownothing Posted Tuesday at 12:56 PM Posted Tuesday at 12:56 PM 6 hours ago, RawDog said: When was the last time starocci gave up a takedown? First round of NCAAs last year. Andrew Sparks got the first takedown of the match before losing 6-12 1 Drowning in data, but thirsting for knowledge
Spencerlee Posted Tuesday at 02:02 PM Posted Tuesday at 02:02 PM 1 hour ago, Wrestleknownothing said: First round of NCAAs last year. Andrew Sparks got the first takedown of the match before losing 6-12 Actually it was 2nd round vs Kemp.
MNRodent Posted Tuesday at 02:33 PM Posted Tuesday at 02:33 PM 29 minutes ago, Spencerlee said: Actually it was 2nd round vs Kemp. Sparks and Kemp both got a takedown on him at NCAAs.
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