Who Are The Federal Workers That "Don't Exist?"

[red viking]

Repeated claim by President Musk and diaper boy. I'd like to see some actual examples of these people. Or will the winger idiots just drink up more of this Kool aid agsin? 

[Paul158]

32 minutes ago, red viking said:

Repeated claim by President Musk and diaper boy. I'd like to see some actual examples of these people. Or will the winger idiots just drink up more of this Kool aid agsin? 

For one it is going to be difficult to find them. You know if they don't exist. So, they have fake identities in order to receive funding or remote jobs from a fake office or home. I know during covid people were coming up with fake companies. Lots of them. One couple set up about 20 fake companies and received 170 million dollars of covid money. That is right 170 million dollars. They actually made it onto the TV show Greed. I am sure by now that the word is out, they are covering their tracks and heading out of town or country.

[1032004]

7 minutes ago, Paul158 said:

For one it is going to be difficult to find them. You know if they don't exist. So, they have fake identities in order to receive funding or remote jobs from a fake office or home. I know during covid people were coming up with fake companies. Lots of them. One couple set up about 20 fake companies and received 170 million dollars of covid money. That is right 170 million dollars. They actually made it onto the TV show Greed. I am sure by now that the word is out, they are covering their tracks and heading out of town or country.

Making up a fake company is a lot different than making up a fake person.  How exactly would one pull this off?  Wouldn’t these imaginary people have supervisors, so they’d need to be in on it?

[Paul158]

11 minutes ago, 1032004 said:

Making up a fake company is a lot different than making up a fake person.  How exactly would one pull this off?  Wouldn’t these imaginary people have supervisors, so they’d need to be in on it?

You might want to watch the show Greed for one. It's incredible what people will do in order get money fraudulently. You know they steal other people's identities with ease now days. You know they steal homeowner's titles. Then they take out loans on the property. I would think they could without much trouble (spies, and the CIA do it in their line of work) make up a fake person in order get lots of money.    

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[1032004]

3 minutes ago, Paul158 said:

You might want to watch the show Greed for one. It's incredible what people will do in order get money fraudulently. You know they steal other people's identities with ease now days. You know they steal homeowner's titles. Then they take out loans on the property. 

Yes, those are all fairly common forms of fraud.  Much more common I’d bet then somehow having a fake job

[red viking]

5 minutes ago, Paul158 said:

You might want to watch the show Greed for one. It's incredible what people will do in order get money fraudulently. You know they steal other people's identities with ease now days. You know they steal homeowner's titles. Then they take out loans on the property. I would think they could without much trouble (spies, and the CIA do it in their line of work) make up a fake person in order get lots of money.    

I'd like to know how this can happen in the fed govt though. As stated, these fictional people would gave to go through an interview, get hired, and then their supervisor would have to cover for them while being accountable for their work they aren't doing. 

Keep drinking the ķool aid though and believe whatever outrageous claim they make. 

[jross]

There are hundreds of thousands of workers that do very little unless management holds their hand.

[Caveira]

I would not be surprised if someone figured out how to use dead people’s ssn.  Similar to how the dead have voted in Illinois…. Or the mafia back in the day.   There is also this type of congress person

https://ktla.com/news/nationworld/elderly-u-s-congresswoman-missing-for-months-still-on-taxpayers-payroll/amp/

 

Elderly U.S. Congresswoman ‘missing’ for months still on taxpayers’ payroll: report

Josh DuBose

2 months ago

An 81-year-old GOP Congresswoman from Texas, who hasn’t voted on the House floor since July and was recently found to be living in a senior care facility is expected to continue drawing a salary into the new year.  

[red viking]

36 minutes ago, Caveira said:

I would not be surprised if someone figured out how to use dead people’s ssn.  Similar to how the dead have voted in Illinois…. Or the mafia back in the day.   There is also this type of congress person

https://ktla.com/news/nationworld/elderly-u-s-congresswoman-missing-for-months-still-on-taxpayers-payroll/amp/

 

Elderly U.S. Congresswoman ‘missing’ for months still on taxpayers’ payroll: report

 

Josh DuBose

2 months ago

An 81-year-old GOP Congresswoman from Texas, who hasn’t voted on the House floor since July and was recently found to be living in a senior care facility is expected to continue drawing a salary into the new year.  

Completely different. And where's the evidence for "fake employees?"

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[red viking]

43 minutes ago, jross said:

There are hundreds of thousands of workers that do very little unless management holds their hand.

Again, completely different. Now you're simply talking about somebody that underperforms.

[1032004]

48 minutes ago, jross said:

There are hundreds of thousands of workers that do very little unless management holds their hand.

Not what the thread is about.  I believe that’s what Elon was trying to get at, but he lied by saying it’s more about “making sure they actually exist”

[Caveira]

8 minutes ago, red viking said:

Completely different. And where's the evidence for "fake employees?"

Sure. I’ll go manufacture it in my basement boss.  Maybe 

[red viking]

5 minutes ago, Caveira said:

Sure. I’ll go manufacture it in my basement boss.  Maybe 

No worries. You should just hold your own people accountable to back up their claims before you swallow them hook line and sinker.  

[Paul158]

First of all, if i suspected this was going on and I was doing the investigating, I would never say a word outside of my investigating team. Why would you alert or tip off the people who you were going after. That would make it that much harder to catch them. All I know is where there is will there is a way to good things or to do actions that are illegal. People go to great lengths in order to acquire wealth illegally.

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[Caveira]

8 minutes ago, red viking said:

No worries. You should just hold your own people accountable to back up their claims before you swallow them hook line and sinker.  

Never underestimate the ability of government employees to pull off a scam.   Those super not corrupt unions can be tricky brother.  

[ionel]

rv woke up this morning and decided to ask fellow poster to prove that something doesn't exist.  Do ghosts not exist?  Prove it. 

[1032004]

45 minutes ago, Caveira said:

Never underestimate the ability of government employees to pull off a scam.   Those super not corrupt unions can be tricky brother.  

Conservatives:  most government workers (well the ones that aren’t patriots) are worthless and won’t be able to get a job outside of the government

Also conservatives: never underestimate the ability of government employees to pull off a highly sophisticated scam

[Caveira]

3 minutes ago, 1032004 said:

Conservatives:  most government workers (well the ones that aren’t patriots) are worthless and won’t be able to get a job outside of the government

Also conservatives: never underestimate the ability of government employees to pull off a highly sophisticated scam

Mafia.  Politicians.  General sleeze.  Plenty of ways to scam brother.  
 

FORMER Democrat DIXON COMPTROLLER CONVICTED OF STEALING $54M HAS SENTENCE COMMUTED BY PRESIDENT BIDEN

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[red viking]

2 hours ago, ionel said:

rv woke up this morning and decided to ask fellow poster to prove that something doesn't exist.  Do ghosts not exist?  Prove it. 

President Musk and diaper boy made the claim. Back it up. 

[ionel]

13 minutes ago, red viking said:

President Musk and diaper boy made the claim. Back it up. 

Well they did find 120 to 300 year olds in the Social Security system and they don't exist because they are dead correct?  Or are you arguing they are just in a different state of existence, do we need to dig em up to prove it?  

If you can't respond to email it could be because you don't exist or perhaps you are incapable ... does it matter which?  I will acknowledge that 300 year olds can't respond to email as they probably never recieved proper training.  

[red viking]

Just now, ionel said:

Well they did find 120 to 300 year olds in the Social Security system and they don't exist because they are dead correct?  Or are you arguing they are just in a different state of existence, do we need to dig em up to prove it?  

If you can't respond to email it could be because you don't exist or perhaps you are incapable ... does it matter which?  I will acknowledge that 300 year olds can't respond to email as they probably never recieved proper training.  

Again, you're deflecting by going back to social security.  That's a lot easier way to get fraudulent money but they're not proposing to drop that by one penny anyway so why keep deflecting to that? Btw, most if not all of those extremely old people weren't getting paid anyway. 

[red viking]

3 minutes ago, ionel said:

 

If you can't respond to email it could be because you don't exist or perhaps you are incapable ... does it matter which?  I will acknowledge that 300 year olds can't respond to email as they probably never recieved proper training.  

Or maybe you just decided to not respond because it's a stupid waste of time. 

[ionel]

1 minute ago, red viking said:

Btw, most if not all of those extremely old people weren't getting paid anyway. 

That's not the point.  You said prove people don't exist.

[red viking]

3 minutes ago, ionel said:

That's not the point.  You said prove people don't exist.

 

3 minutes ago, ionel said:

That's not the point.  You said prove people don't exist.

You keep deflecting. I'm gonna keep calling you out. Do you believe them that this occasionally happens? If so, show just 1 example where it was documented. Only counts if money is actually getting paid out. 

[red viking]

Or you really just want to keep deflecting to social security, which your side is too cowardly to cut anyway? We've known about ss fraud for several decades now btw. 

Edited yesterday at 07:00 PM by red viking