How in the world did the government spending get so far off the tracks? In less than a month Elon will and his 20 year olds will pry 1 trillion dollars out of the politicians cold dead hands. will

[mspart]

1 minute ago, pokemonster said:

Elon's net worth is skyrocketing due to his political alignment and unprecedented influence over the president. That's the entire point. Stocks rise based on perception of where they are heading, and because Elon has the keys to the government, it's exponentially climbing. 

Are people driving up the cost of a share of Tesla stock because he is buddies with Trump?   If so, apparently share holders are betting that the incentives to buy an ecar that Trump just rescinded won't hurt Tesla?   Interesting logic.

mspart

[jross]

2 minutes ago, pokemonster said:

You're right, this guy is doing things for the good of civilization. He can be trusted.

Care to share your thoughts on this trustworthy, noble man parading around on podcasts explicitly stating that he is one of the world's highest ranked gamers in multiple games and that the work that was done was him? Only to be proven to be a complete liar. Not only is this a laughably pathetic attempt at looking like a genius, it's something only an insecure narcissist would do. Let's here your thoughts on it. You sure you can trust this man without ANY checks and balances?

Do you know if there are zero checks and balances? 

What is the worst that can occur while DOGE follows law to access data, assess data, and make recommendations based on data?  Other people are the decision makers.

How can I trust him in his role at DOGE?  From the results! 

To look at all angles, on one hand, account boosting is another example of success in meeting a goal (top gamer account). 

Of course Musk is a narcissist.  He is a CEO with an unshakable belief in his abilities and vision.  He inspires confidence in others.  He makes bold decisions and wins in in high-stakes environments.

[jross]

1 minute ago, mspart said:

Are people driving up the cost of a share of Tesla stock because he is buddies with Trump?   If so, apparently share holders are betting that the incentives to buy an ecar that Trump just rescinded won't hurt Tesla?   Interesting logic.

mspart

I want to invest in Tesla because the future really is robots, AI, and autonomous cars... but damn Tesla seems expensive.

[Caveira]

 

[Le duke]

Shokin fired March 2016.   Hunter joined Burisma board 2014.   Your dates are off just a little.  You and Joe don't know anything about Hunter's international dealings.  Nice try.
mspart

As the article states:

“In 2014, Shokin had investigated Burisma for money laundering and tax irregularities, per USA TODAY.

The probe focused on 2010-12, according to the National Anti-Corruption Bureau.

Hunter Biden — who joined the board in 2014 and served on it until early 2019 — was not the subject of the investigation.”

Nice try.


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[Le duke]

Do you know if there are zero checks and balances? 

What is the worst that can occur while DOGE follows law to access data, assess data, and make recommendations based on data?  Other people are the decision makers.
How can I trust him in his role at DOGE?  From the results! 
To look at all angles, on one hand, account boosting is another example of success in meeting a goal (top gamer account). 
Of course Musk is a narcissist.  He is a CEO with an unshakable belief in his abilities and vision.  He inspires confidence in others.  He makes bold decisions and wins in in high-stakes environments.

They aren’t following the law. That’s the problem. DOGE can’t do any of the stuff they are trying to do, legally, which is why they are getting curb stomped in court.

Simply put: they have no legal authority to block payments as authorized by federal spending laws.


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[jross]

Estimated net worth of Musk.

• 2020: $27 billion to $150 billion
• 2021: Peaked at $340 billion
• 2022: Around $264 billion
• 2023: Approximately $245 billion
• 2024: Over $400 billion
• 2025: Around $424 billion

[Le duke]

 

“Under my political opponent, some terrible thing happened that I have no proof of but I’ll lie about it anyway.”

See? Pretty easy to make stuff up and post it in the internet. Particularly when you own the website.


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[jross]

Just now, Le duke said:

They aren’t following the law. That’s the problem. DOGE can’t do any of the stuff they are trying to do, legally, which is why they are getting curb stomped in court.

Simply put: they have no legal authority to block payments as authorized by federal spending laws.


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What direct, confirmed evidence suggests that DOGE directly blocked payments?

Explain the leap from read only access to blocking payments.

The Treasury Department explicitly stated that only two special government employees, associated with DOGE but employed by the Treasury, had "read-only" access to the payment systems. This "read-only" designation means they could view data but not alter it, including not having the capability to block or stop payments directly.

[Offthemat]

50 minutes ago, pokemonster said:

The value isn't in a measly paycheck from his DOGE team, cmon man, you have to be more intelligent than that. It's the same reason why every company in the world is willing to do anything to get your data. That is what is going to make you money. Influencing policy, knowing everything about the market, your customers, etc. is worth BILLIONS OF DOLLARS, maybe even trillions. And you're assuming because he isn't getting paid for DOGE that he's not getting value out of it. Open up your eyeballs.

The only way to make money off the data you are so convinced he is collecting (I’m not) is to sell it or use it for advertising.  I don’t believe he is interested in selling it, he’s already the richest man in the world.  As for advertising, as on X, he’d be better off collecting it from X, where it would more closely correlate to the people who visit the site and see the advertisements, not everybody in the country.  It wouldn’t be efficient. 

[pokemonster]

24 minutes ago, mspart said:

Are people driving up the cost of a share of Tesla stock because he is buddies with Trump?   If so, apparently share holders are betting that the incentives to buy an ecar that Trump just rescinded won't hurt Tesla?   Interesting logic.

mspart

Straight from the horses mouth: 

“I guess that there would be some impact, but I think it would be devastating for our competitors and for Tesla slightly,” Tesla CEO Elon Musk told analysts Tuesday during an earnings call.

“But long term, [it] probably actually helps Tesla,” he added

[pokemonster]

27 minutes ago, jross said:

Do you know if there are zero checks and balances? 

What is the worst that can occur while DOGE follows law to access data, assess data, and make recommendations based on data?  Other people are the decision makers.

How can I trust him in his role at DOGE?  From the results! 

To look at all angles, on one hand, account boosting is another example of success in meeting a goal (top gamer account). 

Of course Musk is a narcissist.  He is a CEO with an unshakable belief in his abilities and vision.  He inspires confidence in others.  He makes bold decisions and wins in in high-stakes environments.

How's this for checks and balances? He is the one policing himself. Worst that can happen? His move fast and break things approach to silicon valley companies while at the US government could be really bad. I'm all for cleaning up the inefficiencies, but wtf does Musk know about humanitarian aid, disease prevention, healthcare, education, social services, economic policy, diplomancy, national security / defense, the FAA, etc? Get some people that know what the hell they're doing - he's not qualified. He can disrupt millions of jobs for Americans by cutting heads with no knowledge of what he's doing. He can cripple American institutions that are doing important research for disease prevention, etc. The list goes on and on to be honest. I'm hoping it doesn't come to that, but he can really mess stuff up if he isn't kept in check.

When asked about Musk’s potential conflict of interests last week, White House press secretary Karoline Leavitt said Musk would excuse himself if any conflicts appeared during his DOGE work. 

“If Elon Musk comes across a conflict of interest with the contracts and the funding that DOGE is overseeing, then Elon will excuse himself from those contracts. And he has, again, abided by all applicable laws,” Leavitt said during a press briefing. 

[Offthemat]

18 minutes ago, pokemonster said:

Straight from the horses mouth: 

“I guess that there would be some impact, but I think it would be devastating for our competitors and for Tesla slightly,” Tesla CEO Elon Musk told analysts Tuesday during an earnings call.

“But long term, [it] probably actually helps Tesla,” he added

This was said in reference to ending the tax credits for EVs, correct?

[Offthemat]

1 minute ago, pokemonster said:

but wtf does Musk know about humanitarian aid, disease prevention, healthcare, education, social services, economic policy, diplomancy, national security / defense, the FAA, etc?

None of his recommendations have  involved any of those things.  

[Caveira]

4 minutes ago, pokemonster said:

How's this for checks and balances? He is the one policing himself. Worst that can happen? His move fast and break things approach to silicon valley companies while at the US government could be really bad. I'm all for cleaning up the inefficiencies, but wtf does Musk know about humanitarian aid, disease prevention, healthcare, education, social services, economic policy, diplomancy, national security / defense, the FAA, etc? Get some people that know what the hell they're doing - he's not qualified. He can disrupt millions of jobs for Americans by cutting heads with no knowledge of what he's doing. He can cripple American institutions that are doing important research for disease prevention, etc. The list goes on and on to be honest. I'm hoping it doesn't come to that, but he can really mess stuff up if he isn't kept in check.

When asked about Musk’s potential conflict of interests last week, White House press secretary Karoline Leavitt said Musk would excuse himself if any conflicts appeared during his DOGE work. 

“If Elon Musk comes across a conflict of interest with the contracts and the funding that DOGE is overseeing, then Elon will excuse himself from those contracts. And he has, again, abided by all applicable laws,” Leavitt said during a press briefing. 

He is funding gain of function research in Wuhan now is he?

[pokemonster]

Just now, Caveira said:

He is funding gain of function research in Wuhan now is he?

Caveira, the good ole red herring of the group. Adding nothing of value to the convo. 

[pokemonster]

4 minutes ago, Offthemat said:

None of his recommendations have  involved any of those things.  

To start - he's already cut $4 billion in essential resource funding for the National Institute of Health, and as others have pointed out, it's only 14 days in. So, you're wrong. 

[Caveira]

8 minutes ago, pokemonster said:

Caveira, the good ole red herring of the group. Adding nothing of value to the convo. 

At your service boss.  

[pokemonster]

6 minutes ago, Caveira said:

At your service boss.  

Who would you rather have a threesome with, Kamala and Biden, or JD and Trump? Boom. I rest my case. 

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[Caveira]

16 minutes ago, pokemonster said:

Who would you rather have a threesome with, Kamala and Biden, or JD and Trump? Boom. I rest my case. 

Like Marry f kill.   Ha.   Tough decision lol.   Does Biden just watch or does he have to participate?   Do I have to watch him watch?   What does he do while he’s watching?    Can he at least be several feet away outside shooting distance? How low do you think his chipmunks are hanging at that age.   I’m not giving him a blue pill either.   Oofa.   Do I get to pick the position with Kamala?

[mspart]

2 hours ago, Le duke said:

As the article states:

“In 2014, Shokin had investigated Burisma for money laundering and tax irregularities, per USA TODAY.

The probe focused on 2010-12, according to the National Anti-Corruption Bureau.

Hunter Biden — who joined the board in 2014 and served on it until early 2019 — was not the subject of the investigation.”

Nice try.


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https://nypost.com/2023/08/04/viktor-shokin-was-threat-to-burisma-says-hunter-biden-partner-devon-archer/

WASHINGTON — Ukrainian prosecutor-general Viktor Shokin, who was fired after then-Vice President Joe Biden threatened to pull $1 billion in US aid, was “a threat” to natural gas company Burisma Holdings, which paid Hunter Biden up to $1 million per year, the first son’s former business partner Devon Archer confirmed in an interview released Friday.

“He was a threat. He ended up seizing assets of [Burisma owner] Nikolai [Zlochevsky] — a house, some cars, a couple properties. And Nikolai actually never went back to Ukraine after Shokin seized all of his assets,” Archer told former Fox News host Tucker Carlson.

Shokin’s office won a court order to seize Zlochevsky’s property on Feb. 2, 2016, the Kyiv Post reported at the time. Shokin was fired on March 29, purportedly due to his own corruption.

Archer’s remarks are significant because they contradict the position of House Democrats that Shokin was not considered a threat to Burisma — a point likely to be hotly contested if Speaker Kevin McCarthy (R-Calif.) launches an impeachment inquiry, as he said last week was becoming likely.

I think you are incorrect.  

mspart

[jross]

1 hour ago, pokemonster said:

How's this for checks and balances? He is the one policing himself. Worst that can happen? His move fast and break things approach to silicon valley companies while at the US government could be really bad. I'm all for cleaning up the inefficiencies, but wtf does Musk know about humanitarian aid, disease prevention, healthcare, education, social services, economic policy, diplomancy, national security / defense, the FAA, etc? Get some people that know what the hell they're doing - he's not qualified. He can disrupt millions of jobs for Americans by cutting heads with no knowledge of what he's doing. He can cripple American institutions that are doing important research for disease prevention, etc. The list goes on and on to be honest. I'm hoping it doesn't come to that, but he can really mess stuff up if he isn't kept in check.

STOP.

The structure of DOGE as an advisory body outside the formal government framework means Musk lacks the legal power to enact policy changes or make direct decisions like closing departments or altering budgets without further governmental processes.

You know what Musk is an expert at?  Efficiency, financial management, and innovation.  He has repeatedly done more with less at his companies by focusing on core competencies, streamlining production, and cutting unnecessary costs. 

He has exceptional qualifications to advise the USA government on efficiency...

[mspart]

But But But - It's Musk.  He must be hated and fought as if he could make decisions.  

mspart

[Offthemat]

1 hour ago, pokemonster said:

To start - he's already cut $4 billion in essential resource funding for the National Institute of Health, and as others have pointed out, it's only 14 days in. So, you're wrong. 

Musk didn’t. 

[1032004]

4 hours ago, pokemonster said:

In summary, the primary drivers of Musk's net worth increase are the significant rise in Tesla's stock value, the substantial valuation of SpaceX, and his strategic political engagements that have aligned with favorable policy developments that suit his companies.

So basically Wall Street is speculating based off of his role in DOGE?  I mean that’s not really his fault