Has the transfer portal changed where guys are committing?

[BruceyB]

I genuinely don't know enough about recruiting prior the 10ish or so years ago to know the answer to this question, but it seems like the trend has changed. I can't imagine PSU and OKST would have had (prior to the portal) the types of recruiting classes they are currently getting where so many top high school recruits will be battling it out just to be the starter. In the past it seemed more like guys went where they "fit a need" during their span of eligibility. 

Do you think the option to transfer is making it more appealing to throw your hat in the ring at these schools that already have someone highly talented in your weight, where before you were more likely to commit elsewhere? 

[RawDog]

I think it's going to end up being the opposite.  I think kids are gonna start going to the non top wrestling schools to try to all American and then try to transfer to the top wrestling schools for nil money.

[MPhillips]

 

13 hours ago, BruceyB said:

I genuinely don't know enough about recruiting prior the 10ish or so years ago

Not an answer specifically to your question, but a look back at some recruiting classes...

2012

No. 1: Iowa Hawkeyes
Post grad, Nathan Burak, CO (197)
No. 3 Nate Skonieczny, OH (141)
No. 4 Sam Brooks, IL (184/197)
No. 5 Thomas Gilman, NE (133)
No. 5 Alex Meyer, IA (174)
No. 7 Cory Clark, IA (125)

No. 2: Lehigh Mountain Hawks
No. 1 Brandon Griffin, OR (184/197)
No. 2 Doug Vollaro, FL (HWT)
No. 3 Mitch Minotti, PA (149/157)
No. 5 Brian Brill, PA (157/165)
No. 6 Randy Cruz, PA (133/141)
No.11 Elliot Riddick (174/184)
No. 16 Laike Gardner, PA (141)

No. 3: Cornell Big Red
No. 1 Mark Grey, NJ (133)
No. 3 Alex Cisneros, CA (133/141)
No. 4 Brian Realbuto, NY (149/157)
No. 6 Steve Congenie, IL (184)
No. 11 Dylan Palacio, NY (157)
No. 16 Gabe Dean, MI (197)
No. 19 Angelo Silvestro, IL (141)

No. 4: Oklahoma State Cowboys
Transfer, Tyler Caldwell, KS/Oklahoma (165/174)
No. 3 Jordan Rogers, WA (184)
No. 4 Kyle Crutchmer, OK (174)
No. 13 Chase Ferman, OK (133/141)

No. 5: Michigan Wolverines
Transfer, Conor Youtsey/Army (125)
No. 1 Taylor Massa, MI (165/174)
No. 3 Rossi Bruno, FL (125/133)
No. 10 Jordan Thomas, MI (174/184)

 

2013

#1-Michigan Wolverines
5-Year Cycle: #5, UR, UR, #7
Recruits:
#1-Domenic Abounader, OH (184)
#1-Adam Coon, MI (HWT)
#2-Ben Whitford, MI (141/149)
#7-Brian Murphy, IL (157)
#13-Payne Hayden, MI (197)
HM-George Fisher, IL (133/141)

#2-Pittsburgh Panthers
5-Year Cycle: UR, HM, HM, UR
Recruits:
#1-Ryan Solomon, PA (197)
#2-Cody Wiercioch, PA (174/184)
#3-Mikey Racciato, PA (141/149)
#7-Edgar Bright, OH (141/149)
HM-Nick Zanetta, PA (133)
HM-Aaron Rothwell, WI (184)
HM-Luke Fleck, PA (HWT)

#3-Nebraska Cornhuskers
5-Year Cycle: #11, #1, #10, #3
Recruits:
PG-Destin McCauley, MN (149/157)
PG-Pat Downey, MD (184/197)
TR-Anthony Abidin, NY (Nassau CC) (133/141)
HM-Colton McCrystal, IA (133/141)

#4-Virginia Tech Hokies
5-Year Cycle: #23, #10, #15, #18
Recruits:
#1-Joey Dance, VA (125)
#5-Kevin Norstrem, FL (141)
#7-Zach Epperly, VA (174/184)
#11-Dennis Gustafson, VA (133/141)
#12-Jared Haught, WV (184/197)

#5- Illinois Illini
5-Year Cycle: #7, UR, #18, #13
Recruits:
#3-Isaiah Martinez, CA (157/165)
#3-Brooks Black, PA (HWT)
#10-Kyle Langenderfer, IL (157)

#6- Penn State Nittany Lions
5-Year Cycle: #18, #4, #3, #5
Recruits:
TR-Garth Lakitsky, PA (HWT)
#1-Zain Retherford, PA (133/141)
#4-Matt McCutcheon, PA (184/197)
#8-Garrett Hammond, PA (157/165)
#10-Cody Law, PA (157/165)
HM-PJ Steinmetz, PA (197)

#7-Missouri Tigers
5-Year Cycle: HM, UR, #22, #20
#2-J’Den Cox, MO (197/HWT)
#8-BJ Toal, OH (184)
#11-Barlow McGhee, IL (125)
#11-Parker VonEgidy, NC (174)
#19-Joey Lavalle, NV (157)

#8-Oklahoma State Cowboys
5-Year Cycle: #4. #5, #13, #1
Recruits:
#3-Dean Heil, OH (133/141)
#4-Anthony Collica, OH (149/152)
#18-Keilan Torres, OK (165)

#9-Ohio State Buckeyes
5-Year Cycle: #9, #2, #8, #11
Recruits:
#1-Nathan Tomasello, OH (125)
#1-Bo Jordan, OH (165)

2014

#1-Penn State Nittany Lions
#1-Jason Nolf, PA (165)

#1-Nick Nevills, CA (HWT)

#2-Bo Nickal, TX (184)

#7-Corey Rasheed, NY (174)

#16-Gary Dinmore, NJ (157)

#2-Ohio State Buckeyes
#1-Kyle Snyder, MD (197)

#2-Micah Jordan, OH (157)

#2-Thomas Haines, PA (HWT)

#3-Northwestern Wildcats
#1-Bryce Brill, IL (157)

#1-Johnny Sebastian, NJ (174)

#2-Stevan Micic, IN (125/133)

#4-Oklahoma State Cowboys
#1-Chance Marsteller, PA (165/174)

#3-Ryan Blees, ND (157)

#5-Chandler Rogers, OK (165/174)

#6-Gary Wayne Harding, OK (141)

#7-Mike Magaldo, NJ (133/141)

#8-Preston Weigel, KS (197)

#20-Jacobe Smith, OK (165)

#5-Cornell Big Red

#4-Jon Jay Chavez, ID (157/165)

#6-Jeramy Sweany, CA (HWT)

#7-Dalton Macri, PA (125)

#7-Joey Galasso, PA (149)

#8-Dillon Artigliere, NJ (174)

#15-Drew Garcia, MI (174/184)

#17-Brandon Womack, AL (165)

 

 

 

[MPhillips]

Slow morning...

#1 - A Decade of Nittany Lion Recruiting

Penn State	Recruiting Rank	NCAA Place	Points
2018	1	1	141.5
2017	3	1	146.5
2016	2	1	123
2015	18	6	67.5
2014	1	1	109.5
2013	6	1	123.5
2012	18	1	143
2011	4	1	107.5
2010	3	9	49
2009	5	17	31
Averages	6.1	3.9	104.2

Recruiting Classes & NCAA Finish Since 2009

Recruiting Rank	Team	RC AVG	NCAA AVG	Adjusted	Points	Adjusted
1 (tie)	Penn State	6.1	3.9	2.44	104.2	112.3
1 (tie)	Ohio State	6.1	6.4	3.88	79.1	87.8
3	OK State	6.6	6.2	5.11	75.5	80
4	Nebraska	7.1	10.8	9.67	49.5	51.8
5	Iowa	8.6	3	2.77	93.55	95.8
6	Minnesota	11.2	8.4	7.44	65.9	70.3
7	Cornell	13.2	5.2	4.88	72.45	75.2
8	Michigan	14.4	16.4	13.44	40.7	44.5
9	Iowa State	16.2	21.2	17.22	36.4	40.3
10	VA Tech	16.3	16.3	13.8	43	45.9
11	Lehigh	18.1	15.8	13	37	38.3
12	Missouri	19	10.4	8.67	56.6	60.7

Edited yesterday at 01:38 PM by MPhillips

[Wrestleknownothing]

23 minutes ago, MPhillips said:

 

Not an answer specifically to your question, but a look back at some recruiting classes...

2012

No. 1: Iowa Hawkeyes
Post grad, Nathan Burak, CO (197)
No. 3 Nate Skonieczny, OH (141)
No. 4 Sam Brooks, IL (184/197)
No. 5 Thomas Gilman, NE (133)
No. 5 Alex Meyer, IA (174)
No. 7 Cory Clark, IA (125)

No. 2: Lehigh Mountain Hawks
No. 1 Brandon Griffin, OR (184/197)
No. 2 Doug Vollaro, FL (HWT)
No. 3 Mitch Minotti, PA (149/157)
No. 5 Brian Brill, PA (157/165)
No. 6 Randy Cruz, PA (133/141)
No.11 Elliot Riddick (174/184)
No. 16 Laike Gardner, PA (141)

No. 3: Cornell Big Red
No. 1 Mark Grey, NJ (133)
No. 3 Alex Cisneros, CA (133/141)
No. 4 Brian Realbuto, NY (149/157)
No. 6 Steve Congenie, IL (184)
No. 11 Dylan Palacio, NY (157)
No. 16 Gabe Dean, MI (197)
No. 19 Angelo Silvestro, IL (141)

No. 4: Oklahoma State Cowboys
Transfer, Tyler Caldwell, KS/Oklahoma (165/174)
No. 3 Jordan Rogers, WA (184)
No. 4 Kyle Crutchmer, OK (174)
No. 13 Chase Ferman, OK (133/141)

No. 5: Michigan Wolverines
Transfer, Conor Youtsey/Army (125)
No. 1 Taylor Massa, MI (165/174)
No. 3 Rossi Bruno, FL (125/133)
No. 10 Jordan Thomas, MI (174/184)

 

2013

#1-Michigan Wolverines
5-Year Cycle: #5, UR, UR, #7
Recruits:
#1-Domenic Abounader, OH (184)
#1-Adam Coon, MI (HWT)
#2-Ben Whitford, MI (141/149)
#7-Brian Murphy, IL (157)
#13-Payne Hayden, MI (197)
HM-George Fisher, IL (133/141)

#2-Pittsburgh Panthers
5-Year Cycle: UR, HM, HM, UR
Recruits:
#1-Ryan Solomon, PA (197)
#2-Cody Wiercioch, PA (174/184)
#3-Mikey Racciato, PA (141/149)
#7-Edgar Bright, OH (141/149)
HM-Nick Zanetta, PA (133)
HM-Aaron Rothwell, WI (184)
HM-Luke Fleck, PA (HWT)

#3-Nebraska Cornhuskers
5-Year Cycle: #11, #1, #10, #3
Recruits:
PG-Destin McCauley, MN (149/157)
PG-Pat Downey, MD (184/197)
TR-Anthony Abidin, NY (Nassau CC) (133/141)
HM-Colton McCrystal, IA (133/141)

#4-Virginia Tech Hokies
5-Year Cycle: #23, #10, #15, #18
Recruits:
#1-Joey Dance, VA (125)
#5-Kevin Norstrem, FL (141)
#7-Zach Epperly, VA (174/184)
#11-Dennis Gustafson, VA (133/141)
#12-Jared Haught, WV (184/197)

#5- Illinois Illini
5-Year Cycle: #7, UR, #18, #13
Recruits:
#3-Isaiah Martinez, CA (157/165)
#3-Brooks Black, PA (HWT)
#10-Kyle Langenderfer, IL (157)

#6- Penn State Nittany Lions
5-Year Cycle: #18, #4, #3, #5
Recruits:
TR-Garth Lakitsky, PA (HWT)
#1-Zain Retherford, PA (133/141)
#4-Matt McCutcheon, PA (184/197)
#8-Garrett Hammond, PA (157/165)
#10-Cody Law, PA (157/165)
HM-PJ Steinmetz, PA (197)

#7-Missouri Tigers
5-Year Cycle: HM, UR, #22, #20
#2-J’Den Cox, MO (197/HWT)
#8-BJ Toal, OH (184)
#11-Barlow McGhee, IL (125)
#11-Parker VonEgidy, NC (174)
#19-Joey Lavalle, NV (157)

#8-Oklahoma State Cowboys
5-Year Cycle: #4. #5, #13, #1
Recruits:
#3-Dean Heil, OH (133/141)
#4-Anthony Collica, OH (149/152)
#18-Keilan Torres, OK (165)

#9-Ohio State Buckeyes
5-Year Cycle: #9, #2, #8, #11
Recruits:
#1-Nathan Tomasello, OH (125)
#1-Bo Jordan, OH (165)

2014

#1-Penn State Nittany Lions
#1-Jason Nolf, PA (165)

#1-Nick Nevills, CA (HWT)

#2-Bo Nickal, TX (184)

#7-Corey Rasheed, NY (174)

#16-Gary Dinmore, NJ (157)

#2-Ohio State Buckeyes
#1-Kyle Snyder, MD (197)

#2-Micah Jordan, OH (157)

#2-Thomas Haines, PA (HWT)

#3-Northwestern Wildcats
#1-Bryce Brill, IL (157)

#1-Johnny Sebastian, NJ (174)

#2-Stevan Micic, IN (125/133)

#4-Oklahoma State Cowboys
#1-Chance Marsteller, PA (165/174)

#3-Ryan Blees, ND (157)

#5-Chandler Rogers, OK (165/174)

#6-Gary Wayne Harding, OK (141)

#7-Mike Magaldo, NJ (133/141)

#8-Preston Weigel, KS (197)

#20-Jacobe Smith, OK (165)

#5-Cornell Big Red

#4-Jon Jay Chavez, ID (157/165)

#6-Jeramy Sweany, CA (HWT)

#7-Dalton Macri, PA (125)

#7-Joey Galasso, PA (149)

#8-Dillon Artigliere, NJ (174)

#15-Drew Garcia, MI (174/184)

#17-Brandon Womack, AL (165)

 

 

 

The assumption in these arguments is that the recruiting class rankers got it right and the coaches either lived up to the rank or not. There is always the possibility the recruiting class ranks were wrong. Looking at 2013 ranks certainly offers support for that view.

[MPhillips]

1 minute ago, Wrestleknownothing said:

The assumption in these arguments is that the recruiting class rankers got it right and the coaches either lived up to the rank or not. There is always the possibility the recruiting class ranks were wrong. Looking at 2013 ranks certainly offers support for that view.

The ranker is on this here forum. Ask him...

[Jimmy Cinnabon]

7 hours ago, RawDog said:

I think it's going to end up being the opposite.  I think kids are gonna start going to the non top wrestling schools to try to all American and then try to transfer to the top wrestling schools for nil money.

This is exactly what Askren said.  He said if you are a top recruit, don't go to Iowa.  Go to another school first, then get paid a huge bag to transfer to Iowa.

[Wrestleknownothing]

46 minutes ago, MPhillips said:

The ranker is on this here forum. Ask him...

Good point.

Hey @Husker_Du, I read The Athletic a lot. They do a lot of re-ranking articles where they revisit old rankings. Today they have an article re-ranking the 2022 college QB class, for example.

Would you re-rank any of the classes listed above? If so, which? And how?

[MPhillips]

https://www.flowrestling.org/articles/6197668-a-decade-of-recruiting

[Husker_Du]

that's something i should definitely do over the summer. 

also, to the topic at hand i would say it's overall too early to tell,

but it seems like the NIL era created more of a stockpiling than in the past and the Rev Share will make it worse. plus you add in the portal and it's a no brainer. the haves and have-nots will be exacerbated.