Is Ohio State Cooked?

[MPhillips]

8 hours ago, Mr. PeanutButter said:

none of the wrestlers have had a noticeable tan in at least 5 years.

YAHTZEE!!!

[pokemonster]

9 hours ago, Mr. PeanutButter said:

I'm cautiously optimistic that The Tan Tom University can start cooking with peanut oil in the next 2 years. Get Davino in the lineup, continue to progress Bouzer and Gallagher, get Sasso back on track, gear up Feldman for top 3 and figure out something between 184 and 197. It's a lot (I'm probably overlooking eligibility) and I think there are valid concerns regarding development recently, but I think Tan Tom and his bronze battalions should not be underestimated. As an aside, I think it's funny that none of the wrestlers have had a noticeable tan in at least 5 years. You might not though 

Could this be the actual reason? The days of bronzed and chiseled Lance Palmer and Logie Bear are long gone.... I think you're onto something. Get that tanning bed working in the new facilities Tom!

Edited Tuesday at 02:09 PM by pokemonster

[666]

11 hours ago, pokemonster said:

Not to mention that Ohio State is the only ranked D1 wrestling program in the state and there's very few in general. What is there, Kent State, Cleveland State (on the way out), Ohio University... Anyone else?

I thought Toledo had a team? 

[Gus]

13 hours ago, scorenomore said:

A couple of observations:

1 tOSU cannot compete with the top programs from a financial perspective right now

2 the culture on the team is top notch. I’ve seen these guys at tournaments follow around and cheer for each other and coach one another. Only other program that I see do this is at the same level is Penn state. 
3 there is some inbreeding with the coaching staff and that probably is part by design but maybe not the best for the program.  I will say that there isn’t a program not named Penn state that has outperformed Ohio state for the past 10 years when balancing on the mat results with character and consistency. 
4 the experience at the Covelli and the facilities are top 4 and I think that is where OSU will remain unless major money or restrictions come in play. 
5 where I think OSU can go from here is that it would need to think outside the box and build a wrestling business model and not rely on donors as much since heavy hitters that love wrestling are in short supply. 

Where are you getting information that tOSU cannot compete from a financial standpoint? The rumored NIL deals to Blaze were very high. Additionally it was rumored that Mendez, Bouzakis and Feldman all commanded nice NIL deals. Thirdly, when Welsh was taking a visit to OKSt this year it was reportedly resolved via NIL. 

[steamboat_charlie]

It's not that Ohio State doesn't have any money.  There are 74, maybe 75 teams out there that would trade places with them in an instant.  

But there are three teams out there that have more money, have more history, and have at minimum equivalent coaching staffs. 

NIL money isn't spent only on new recruits and transfers. You also have to utilize NIL to keep the guys you have.  People mentioning Ohio State football--$16MM of that $20MM was spent on their own guys.  

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To the question at hand, I guess it depends.  Is a top 5 team that occasionally takes home a trophy "cooked"?  I think that's who they are in the current landscape, so if that qualifies then sure, they're cooked.  

[666]

59 minutes ago, steamboat_charlie said:

It's not that Ohio State doesn't have any money.  There are 74, maybe 75 teams out there that would trade places with them in an instant.  

But there are three teams out there that have more money, have more history, and have at minimum equivalent coaching staffs. 

NIL money isn't spent only on new recruits and transfers. You also have to utilize NIL to keep the guys you have.  People mentioning Ohio State football--$16MM of that $20MM was spent on their own guys.  

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To the question at hand, I guess it depends.  Is a top 5 team that occasionally takes home a trophy "cooked"?  I think that's who they are in the current landscape, so if that qualifies then sure, they're cooked.  

OSU had a scrub QB pulling down over a million a year in NIL money.   That's a lot of money for a backup QB, OSU should've spent that money on their wrestling program, obviously. 

[Wrestleknownothing]

5 minutes ago, 666 said:

OSU had a scrub QB pulling down over a million a year in NIL money.   That's a lot of money for a backup QB, OSU should've spent that money on their wrestling program, obviously. 

That's Mr. National Champion Scrub QB to you.

[666]

1 minute ago, Wrestleknownothing said:

That's Mr. National Champion Scrub QB to you.

Not quite. The guy I'm referring to, Ewers, transferred to Texas from OSU where he became the starting QB and later lost to OSU in the football semifinals. I can't remember what godawful amount of NIL money it took to get him to transfer to the Longhorns. 

[Kov88]

13 hours ago, BruceyB said:

From everything I've ever heard Tom Ryan say, it also appears that he is very deliberate about who he brings into his program, and cares about the culture and integrity of the team as much as the talent. I wonder how much this effects his willingness to recruit over guys and bring in outsiders that may improve the line-up but negatively effect the culture they have built. I think a large part of the reason recruits choose Ohio State is because of how genuine Tom Ryan is, and how much he truly cares about his relationships with his athletes. Who has transferred out of tOSU? Traub and Tessari are the only two I can think of. I'm not including Kerk because he didn't even spend his RS year there.

Kinner

[Kov88]

No, I don’t think they’re cooked. They’ve been a top 10 team for how many years? Not many programs can say that

yes the production of D’Emilio, Gallagher, and Kharchla haven’t been as expected but you still have Mendez who is a beast, Welch next year and we saw what he can do, and Davino has looked good in  short term

 they still have a young team. Am I expecting them to win a championship anytime soon? No, not with Penn state’s dynasty and what OkSt is starting to do, but yes I do expect to be consistently in the top 5ish

Edited Tuesday at 05:48 PM by Kov88

[Mr. PeanutButter]

bro, I can't believe I forgot about Welsh. Davino-Bouzer-Mendez-warm body-warm body-Gallagher-Kharchla-Welsh-warm body - Feldman is the making of a good lineup.

I'd say they've gone from "cooked" to "laying on the baking sheet ready to be salted and roasted"

[1032004]

14 minutes ago, Mr. PeanutButter said:

bro, I can't believe I forgot about Welsh. Davino-Bouzer-Mendez-warm body-warm body-Gallagher-Kharchla-Welsh-warm body - Feldman is the making of a good lineup.

I'd say they've gone from "cooked" to "laying on the baking sheet ready to be salted and roasted"

Ah didn’t realize Kharchla had another year after this

[Mr. PeanutButter]

3 minutes ago, 1032004 said:

Ah didn’t realize Kharchla had another year after this

that is a guess on my part based on his wrestlestat. If he's not available next year then the Tan Toms might get locked up in the tanning beds with no way out

[pokemonster]

1 hour ago, 666 said:

Not quite. The guy I'm referring to, Ewers, transferred to Texas from OSU where he became the starting QB and later lost to OSU in the football semifinals. I can't remember what godawful amount of NIL money it took to get him to transfer to the Longhorns. 

$1mil is chump change to today's NIL. Michigan's new QB commit is getting $10-13mil.

[666]

9 minutes ago, 1032004 said:

Ah didn’t realize Kharchla had another year after this

He doesn't. According to wrestlestat this is his 6th year and he's a Sr.  On the other hand this is Nelson Brands 2nd Sr season, so who knows? 

Edited Tuesday at 06:27 PM by 666

[666]

2 minutes ago, pokemonster said:

$1mil is chump change to today's NIL. Michigan's new QB commit is getting $10-13mil.

That's insane. 

[Mr. PeanutButter]

Just now, 666 said:

He doesn't. According to wrestlestat this is his 6th year and he's a Sr. 

He redshirted in 2020, 2021 was the free year and 2024 was a medical. This is his 3rd year of active competition and, I think, means he has 1 more year of eligibility remaining.

[BruceyB]

4 minutes ago, pokemonster said:

Michigan's new QB commit is getting $10-13mil

I'm curious to see the sources on that. Arch Manning's NIL estimations is 6.6 million..

[666]

Just now, Mr. PeanutButter said:

He redshirted in 2020, 2021 was the free year and 2024 was a medical. This is his 3rd year of active competition and, I think, means he has 1 more year of eligibility remaining.

Wow. I suppose there's no room to complain when the Braunagels have been in college for 7 years. I'm pretty sure Kemmerer had grandchildren by the time he graduated. 

[Kov88]

13 minutes ago, 1032004 said:

Ah didn’t realize Kharchla had another year after this

He was in the same recruiting class as D’Emilio (who is in his last year), unless Kharchla did get a medical redshirt year, this would be his last year

[Bigbrog]

8 minutes ago, BruceyB said:

I'm curious to see the sources on that. Arch Manning's NIL estimations is 6.6 million..

I've learned to not believe what anyone claims someone is getting for NIL $$...for crying out loud there were people...on here...actually believing that Basset...a wrestler...was getting $21 million....LOL

[1032004]

12 minutes ago, Mr. PeanutButter said:

He redshirted in 2020, 2021 was the free year and 2024 was a medical. This is his 3rd year of active competition and, I think, means he has 1 more year of eligibility remaining.

Yeah that’s what it looks like.  I think after next year we’ll get rid of most of the free covid year guys (although Kharchla in particular did not compete that year), but even in 2027 there will still be a couple left if they took both a regular redshirt and another type of redshirt.

[pokemonster]

16 minutes ago, BruceyB said:

I'm curious to see the sources on that. Arch Manning's NIL estimations is 6.6 million..

A LOT of outlets reported it. He flipped from LSU to Michigan last minute from a very sizeable NIL package.

https://www.si.com/fannation/name-image-likeness/nil-news/michigan-wolverines-received-nil-funding-from-billionaire-to-land-bryce-underwood

[666]

6 minutes ago, pokemonster said:

A LOT of outlets reported it. He flipped from LSU to Michigan last minute from a very sizeable NIL package.

https://www.si.com/fannation/name-image-likeness/nil-news/michigan-wolverines-received-nil-funding-from-billionaire-to-land-bryce-underwood

No offense to the kid, but every time a stupid monetary decision is made like that I love to see the clowns who overpay get screwed. That boy hasn't thrown a single pass in college and they are paying him double digit millions? Dumb, very dumb. 

I guess as long as the super rich alumni are willing to flush their money down the toilet, who am I to complain? 

[pokemonster]

7 minutes ago, 666 said:

No offense to the kid, but every time a stupid monetary decision is made like that I love to see the clowns who overpay get screwed. That boy hasn't thrown a single pass in college and they are paying him double digit millions? Dumb, very dumb. 

I guess as long as the super rich alumni are willing to flush their money down the toilet, who am I to complain? 

Yeah, we're in the wild west these days. Apparently Dave Portnoy helped arrange the deal to get him. I do think the deal is spread over 4 years though, so he might still be behind Arch Manning (who just got another ridic Red Bull deal).