Gus Posted January 9, 2023 Posted January 9, 2023 Starrocci is the returning champ and leader of the pack at this weight. Tier 1 includes Starrocci, Labriola & Lewis. Is Foca making a case to enter into tier 1? He was looking like someone who could push for a high podium spot last year before the concussions. This year he has beat everyone put in front of him not named Mekhi Lewis.
Wrestleknownothing Posted January 9, 2023 Posted January 9, 2023 29 minutes ago, Gus said: Starrocci is the returning champ and leader of the pack at this weight. Tier 1 includes Starrocci, Labriola & Lewis. Is Foca making a case to enter into tier 1? He was looking like someone who could push for a high podium spot last year before the concussions. This year he has beat everyone put in front of him not named Mekhi Lewis. Tier 1 is Starocci. Tier 2 is Labriola, Lewis, and Foca. 5 Drowning in data, but thirsting for knowledge
Le duke Posted January 9, 2023 Posted January 9, 2023 Starrocci is the returning champ and leader of the pack at this weight. Tier 1 includes Starrocci, Labriola & Lewis. Is Foca making a case to enter into tier 1? He was looking like someone who could push for a high podium spot last year before the concussions. This year he has beat everyone put in front of him not named Mekhi Lewis. Starocci beat Labriola 6-1 last year. I don’t think they are on the same level.Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk 1
Pinnacle Posted January 9, 2023 Posted January 9, 2023 Foca gave Starocci a tough match. Not as tough as Mehki, but tougher than Labriola. Starocci's ability to ride like glue puts him in a class by himself at 174.
nhs67 Posted January 9, 2023 Posted January 9, 2023 1 hour ago, Wrestleknownothing said: Tier 1 is Starocci. Tier 2 is Labriola, Lewis, and Foca. This. It is perceivable to put Foca and Labs as Tier 3. I know Labriola beat Lewis, but my view on tiers are as follows: Aside for an injury, illness, or a (near) lucky deck, you can defeat those one above your tier, in your tier, and one below your tier. Ergo... 1 - Starocci 2 - Lewis 3 - Labriola, Foca 4 - Plott, O'Malley, Smith, Romero 5 - Lautt, Mocco, Ruth, Brands There are others, but this is about "I know actually nothing. It isn't even conjecture at this point." - me
82bordeaux Posted January 9, 2023 Posted January 9, 2023 2 hours ago, nhs67 said: This. It is perceivable to put Foca and Labs as Tier 3. I know Labriola beat Lewis, but my view on tiers are as follows: Aside for an injury, illness, or a (near) lucky deck, you can defeat those one above your tier, in your tier, and one below your tier. Ergo... 1 - Starocci 2 - Lewis 3 - Labriola, Foca 4 - Plott, O'Malley, Smith, Romero 5 - Lautt, Mocco, Ruth, Brands There are others, but this is about FIFY. Plott lost 9-4 to Aaron Olmos (#39) fro Oregon St.
Gus Posted January 9, 2023 Author Posted January 9, 2023 3 hours ago, Pinnacle said: Foca gave Starocci a tough match. Not as tough as Mehki, but tougher than Labriola. Starocci's ability to ride like glue puts him in a class by himself at 174. Can you really put Starrocci in his own tier when he went to tie breakers with Mekhi last year and beat him on a riding time point this year? Starrocci is great and certainly the favorite but I am not going to give him his own tier based on those results. 2
nhs67 Posted January 9, 2023 Posted January 9, 2023 9 minutes ago, 82bordeaux said: FIFY. Plott lost 9-4 to Aaron Olmos (#39) fro Oregon St. Did you see the match? Also did you see my disclaimer? 'injury, illness, or a (near) lucky deck' applies here. "I know actually nothing. It isn't even conjecture at this point." - me
nhs67 Posted January 9, 2023 Posted January 9, 2023 6 minutes ago, Gus said: Can you really put Starrocci in his own tier when he went to tie breakers with Mekhi last year and beat him on a riding time point this year? Starrocci is great and certainly the favorite but I am not going to give him his own tier based on those results. Yes. Lone wolf. 1 "I know actually nothing. It isn't even conjecture at this point." - me
Gus Posted January 9, 2023 Author Posted January 9, 2023 27 minutes ago, nhs67 said: Yes. Lone wolf. Agree to disagree. I think Spencer (I know he just got thrown to his back) is the only lone wolf tier guy this year. Tier 1 125 - Spencer 133 - RBY, Fix, Vito (maybe) 141 - the top 15 guys 149 - Yianni, Gomez 157 - Robb, O'Connor, Andonian (could add more possibly) 165 - O'Toole, Griffith, Carr 174 - Starrocci, Lewis, Labriola, Foca (maybe) 184 - Brooks, Hidlay, Keck 197 - the top 12 guys HWT - Kerk, Parris, Cass 1
Wrestleknownothing Posted January 9, 2023 Posted January 9, 2023 19 minutes ago, Gus said: Can you really put Starrocci in his own tier when he went to tie breakers with Mekhi last year and beat him on a riding time point this year? Starrocci is great and certainly the favorite but I am not going to give him his own tier based on those results. I am comfortable with him at his own tier because he is 2 for 2 at NCAA's and on a 36 (37) match win streak that includes 1 (2) wins over Mekhi Lewis. Last year he beat the second, third, and seventh place finishers on the way to his title. (Nick Lee, Keegan O'Toole, Aaron Brook, and Gable Steveson also beat 3 ultimate AA's - everyone else beat 2). The year before as the 3 seed he beat the 2 seed and 1 seed. Drowning in data, but thirsting for knowledge
Jimmy Cinnabon Posted January 9, 2023 Posted January 9, 2023 42 minutes ago, Gus said: Can you really put Starrocci in his own tier when he went to tie breakers with Mekhi last year and beat him on a riding time point this year? Starrocci is great and certainly the favorite but I am not going to give him his own tier based on those results. Would a third win over Lewis be enough to put Starocci in his own tier?
Idaho Posted January 9, 2023 Posted January 9, 2023 49 minutes ago, nhs67 said: Did you see the match? Also did you see my disclaimer? 'injury, illness, or a (near) lucky deck' applies here. I did ... mat side.... did not appear injured...Olmos did not get "lucky" for a near deck or back points... good old fashion doubles. As for sick, who knows. Sponsored by INTERMAT
Le duke Posted January 9, 2023 Posted January 9, 2023 9 minutes ago, Idaho said: I did ... mat side.... did not appear injured...Olmos did not get "lucky" for a near deck or back points... good old fashion doubles. As for sick, who knows. Olmos perplexes me. Was he injured or coming off injury/sickness for OSUw vs PSU?
Idaho Posted January 9, 2023 Posted January 9, 2023 Just now, Le duke said: Olmos perplexes me. Was he injured or coming off injury/sickness for OSUw vs PSU? He's had a very rough season in his personal life... his dad passing away being a big part of it. I t think he is finally settling in with wrestling right now. Great kid. The funny thing about the Plot match, was that he had been sick for awhile and had only practiced a few days before the Ok State dual. He's definitely a kid you want to root for. 3 Sponsored by INTERMAT
nhs67 Posted January 9, 2023 Posted January 9, 2023 1 hour ago, Idaho said: I did ... mat side.... did not appear injured...Olmos did not get "lucky" for a near deck or back points... good old fashion doubles. As for sick, who knows. I think Plott tweaked his shoulder in the Mocco match and we are seeing a mental block on his part. The mind game is the most difficult to win. "I know actually nothing. It isn't even conjecture at this point." - me
82bordeaux Posted January 10, 2023 Posted January 10, 2023 16 hours ago, nhs67 said: 14 hours ago, nhs67 said: Did you see the match? Also did you see my disclaimer? 'injury, illness, or a (near) lucky deck' applies here. Yes. Plott was never close to scoring. His 4 points were all releases by Olmos. Olmos on the other hand scored 4 perfectly clean takedowns and could have easily had 2 more that he was in deep on. If there were no uniforms on these guys you would have said Plott was the #29 guy. 1
jajensen09 Posted January 11, 2023 Posted January 11, 2023 On 1/9/2023 at 12:03 PM, nhs67 said: This. It is perceivable to put Foca and Labs as Tier 3. I know Labriola beat Lewis, but my view on tiers are as follows: Aside for an injury, illness, or a (near) lucky deck, you can defeat those one above your tier, in your tier, and one below your tier. Ergo... 1 - Starocci 2 - Lewis 3 - Labriola, Foca 4 - Plott, O'Malley, Smith, Romero 5 - Lautt, Mocco, Ruth, Brands There are others, but this is about Labbs beat lewis
nhs67 Posted January 11, 2023 Posted January 11, 2023 10 hours ago, jajensen09 said: Labbs beat lewis I know. "I know actually nothing. It isn't even conjecture at this point." - me
Gus Posted January 11, 2023 Author Posted January 11, 2023 11 hours ago, jajensen09 said: Labbs beat lewis Labbs is definitely not tier 3. You could make an argument (I would) for tier 1 but he's at worst tier 2. 2
nhs67 Posted January 11, 2023 Posted January 11, 2023 1 hour ago, Gus said: Labbs is definitely not tier 3. You could make an argument (I would) for tier 1 but he's at worst tier 2. The guy beat Lewis, tier above him. Absolutely conceivable. You telling me a guy who lost to Smith at B1Gs last year, ThugMassa G twice, and Nachohouse - all should-be 165lbers should be Tier 1? He had nothing for Starocci when they last met and placed 7th last year, and has one quality win this season in Lewis... a match that I would bet on going the other way next time. He is Tier 3 with Foca. "I know actually nothing. It isn't even conjecture at this point." - me
jajensen09 Posted January 11, 2023 Posted January 11, 2023 24 minutes ago, nhs67 said: The guy beat Lewis, tier above him. Absolutely conceivable. You telling me a guy who lost to Smith at B1Gs last year, ThugMassa G twice, and Nachohouse - all should-be 165lbers should be Tier 1? He had nothing for Starocci when they last met and placed 7th last year, and has one quality win this season in Lewis... a match that I would bet on going the other way next time. He is Tier 3 with Foca. Labbs is for sure not tier 3. AA every year. Beat Kemmer easily last year, has taken starocci to one of his toughest matches ever, beat lewis. Tier 1 or 2. Nor e
Le duke Posted January 11, 2023 Posted January 11, 2023 Labbs is for sure not tier 3. AA every year. Beat Kemmer easily last year, has taken starocci to one of his toughest matches ever, beat lewis. Tier 1 or 2. Nor eTwo years ago.Got pretty thoroughly dominated last year. By a guy with a broken hand.Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk
jajensen09 Posted January 11, 2023 Posted January 11, 2023 1 hour ago, Le duke said: Two years ago. Got pretty thoroughly dominated last year. By a guy with a broken hand. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk And he just beat lewis. Labbs just looked like the better wrestler too
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