Why designating cartels as terrorist organizations or using the military to go after them in Mexico will fail

[uncle bernard]

12 minutes ago, Interviewed_at_Weehawken said:

It is not an evasion.  It is more like whataboutism lol

Did you post on this board (or it's predecessor) that you condemned  such an attack?  Or did you not bother?

Well, I wasn't on this board in 2011, but I do think I've condemned this at some point in passing. Pretty sure I've also called Obama a war criminal on here.

One day, you guys will realize that I probably hate the Democrats even more than you do.

[JimmySpeaks]

1 minute ago, uncle bernard said:

Well, I wasn't on this board in 2011, but I do think I've condemned this at some point in passing. Pretty sure I've also called Obama a war criminal on here.

One day, you guys will realize that I probably hate the Democrats even more than you do.

Not a chance. 

[Offthemat]

2 minutes ago, uncle bernard said:

One day, you guys will realize that I probably hate the Democrats even more than you do.

Of course, they too are infidels.

[uncle bernard]

35 minutes ago, JimmySpeaks said:

You’re against stopping foreign drug cartels from pushing drugs into our country ?  Why? 

No, but I'm against using military strikes to extrajudicially kill them. We live in a (supposedly) free country with a judicial system that (supposedly) guarantees due process. 

Killing criminals instead of arresting and trying them is wrong. It's a very slippery slope. Would you support this kind of strike on US soil? What about against US citizens? If this becomes normal, what stops the government from bombing a drug house in Baltimore or striking a car carrying suspected drug dealers in Kansas? 

 

[red viking]

11 minutes ago, JimmySpeaks said:

Not a chance. 

I'm ready for the wingers to pay a hefty price for all their lies, murders and corruption recently. I will support the candidate that is willing to get the nastiest and dirtiest against the wingers after he/she is elected. Payback is gonna be a beach. LET'S GO!!!! 

[ionel]

2 minutes ago, red viking said:

I'm ready for the wingers to pay a hefty price for all their lies, murders and corruption recently. I will support the candidate that is willing to get the nastiest and dirtiest against the wingers after he/she is elected. Payback is gonna be a beach. LET'S GO!!!! 

I heard congress is working on passing a happy tax ... that'll teach those nasty folks.  

[El Luchador]

23 minutes ago, uncle bernard said:

Well, I wasn't on this board in 2011, but I do think I've condemned this at some point in passing. Pretty sure I've also called Obama a war criminal on here.

One day, you guys will realize that I probably hate the Democrats even more than you do.

So do you have a party affiliation?

[JimmySpeaks]

20 minutes ago, uncle bernard said:

No, but I'm against using military strikes to extrajudicially kill them. We live in a (supposedly) free country with a judicial system that (supposedly) guarantees due process. 

Killing criminals instead of arresting and trying them is wrong. It's a very slippery slope. Would you support this kind of strike on US soil? What about against US citizens? If this becomes normal, what stops the government from bombing a drug house in Baltimore or striking a car carrying suspected drug dealers in Kansas? 

 

They’re not on US soil. Whether you want to believe it or not theres a war on drugs. 

[uncle bernard]

Just now, El Luchador said:

So do you have a party affiliation?

No. I've voted for Bernie Sanders in the last two Dem primaries and have not voted for President in the general the last 3 elections because I do not live in a swing state and therefore my vote doesn't really matter. If I did live in a swing state, I think I would have voted Dem purely as an anti-Trump vote because I think they are the lesser of the two evils. I haven't had to face that dilemma yet, though. 

[JimmySpeaks]

11 minutes ago, ionel said:

I heard congress is working on passing a happy tax ... that'll teach those nasty folks.  

Damn I’m screwed

Edited September 3 by JimmySpeaks

[JimmySpeaks]

13 minutes ago, red viking said:

I'm ready for the wingers to pay a hefty price for all their lies, murders and corruption recently. I will support the candidate that is willing to get the nastiest and dirtiest against the wingers after he/she is elected. Payback is gonna be a beach. LET'S GO!!!! 

Good luck. The popularity of Dems is dwindling. Time to dump the wokesters and get back to reality 

[Interviewed_at_Weehawken]

34 minutes ago, uncle bernard said:

Well, I wasn't on this board in 2011, but I do think I've condemned this at some point in passing. Pretty sure I've also called Obama a war criminal on here.

One day, you guys will realize that I probably hate the Democrats even more than you do.

Didn't think so.

[Le duke]

Color me skeptical that the cartels are using 20' speed boats, with "11" dudes in them, to cover 1300 nautical miles of open ocean.

I'm guessing that's a video from CENTCOM. 

 

[JimmySpeaks]

5 minutes ago, uncle bernard said:

No. I've voted for Bernie Sanders in the last two Dem primaries and have not voted for President in the general the last 3 elections because I do not live in a swing state and therefore my vote doesn't really matter. If I did live in a swing state, I think I would have voted Dem purely as an anti-Trump vote because I think they are the lesser of the two evils. I haven't had to face that dilemma yet, though. 

You hate democrats yet voted for a self proclaimed socialist?  

[JimmySpeaks]

Just now, Le duke said:

Color me skeptical that the cartels are using 20' speed boats, with "11" dudes in them, to cover 1300 nautical miles of open ocean.

I'm guessing that's a video from CENTCOM. 

 

Or it was going to make a drop with another boat.  

[uncle bernard]

1 minute ago, JimmySpeaks said:

They’re not on US soil. Whether you want to believe it or not theres a war on drugs. 

Why does being on US soil make a difference for you? That's why I asked the question. What is the difference between:

Killing a non-citizen off US soil or killing a non-citizen on US soil? Is the offense less bad once it's outside our borders?

If you'd support killing a non-citizen on US soil, but not a US citizen on US soil, why? Our constitution guarantees the same due process rights to non-citizens as citizens, so if you support killing a non-citizen on US soil, shouldn't you also support killing a citizen on US soil?

And if you support killing a citizen on US soil, what's the burden of proof necessary for such a strike. Do you believe the military/police should have the power to kill someone merely on suspicion of committing a crime?

[uncle bernard]

1 minute ago, Interviewed_at_Weehawken said:

Didn't think so.

I literally said yes lol.

[El Luchador]

7 minutes ago, uncle bernard said:

No. I've voted for Bernie Sanders in the last two Dem primaries and have not voted for President in the general the last 3 elections because I do not live in a swing state and therefore my vote doesn't really matter. If I did live in a swing state, I think I would have voted Dem purely as an anti-Trump vote because I think they are the lesser of the two evils. I haven't had to face that dilemma yet, though. 

I refused to vote for Romney and took the same approach.

[JimmySpeaks]

Just now, uncle bernard said:

Why does being on US soil make a difference for you? That's why I asked the question. What is the difference between:

Killing a non-citizen off US soil or killing a non-citizen on US soil? Is the offense less bad once it's outside our borders?

If you'd support killing a non-citizen on US soil, but not a US citizen on US soil, why? Our constitution guarantees the same due process rights to non-citizens as citizens, so if you support killing a non-citizen on US soil, shouldn't you also support killing a citizen on US soil?

And if you support killing a citizen on US soil, what's the burden of proof necessary for such a strike. Do you believe the military/police should have the power to kill someone merely on suspicion of committing a crime?

If you can kill them before getting here why not? 

[uncle bernard]

1 minute ago, JimmySpeaks said:

You hate democrats yet voted for a self proclaimed socialist?  

Democrats are not socialists. Whenever an *actual* socialist gains popularity, the party does everything in its power to undermine them.

See Bernie, Zohran, and how much money the party threw into primarying the members of "the squad," to the point where AOC now mostly toes the party line.

Words have definitions. You should take some time to learn them.

[Interviewed_at_Weehawken]

3 minutes ago, uncle bernard said:

I literally said yes lol.

You clearly don't understand the definition of the word "literally." But you mention how you have done it well after the fact,... I guess. ("I was for drone strikes before I was against them")

Granted, troll bots were not yet invented in 2011...

Edited September 3 by Interviewed_at_Weehawken

[JimmySpeaks]

Just now, uncle bernard said:

Democrats are not socialists. Whenever an *actual* socialist gains popularity, the party does everything in its power to undermine them.

See Bernie, Zohran, and how much money the party threw into primarying the members of "the squad," to the point where AOC now mostly toes the party line.

Words have definitions. You should take some time to learn them.

Yep and dems have plenty of socialists on their current team. And it’s growing thru out the country.  You might need to be the one that looks up some definitions 

[JimmySpeaks]

4 minutes ago, uncle bernard said:

Democrats are not socialists. Whenever an *actual* socialist gains popularity, the party does everything in its power to undermine them.

See Bernie, Zohran, and how much money the party threw into primarying the members of "the squad," to the point where AOC now mostly toes the party line.

Words have definitions. You should take some time to learn them.

I just watched a video of one of the squad members.  Far from towing the party line 

[JimmySpeaks]

5 minutes ago, uncle bernard said:

Democrats are not socialists. Whenever an *actual* socialist gains popularity, the party does everything in its power to undermine them.

See Bernie, Zohran, and how much money the party threw into primarying the members of "the squad," to the point where AOC now mostly toes the party line.

Words have definitions. You should take some time to learn them.

You’re so twisted up you’ve confused yourself ….. again 

[uncle bernard]

Just now, JimmySpeaks said:

I just watched a video of one of the squad members.  Far from towing the party line 

Yeah, that's why I didn't specify them.

But I'm glad you acknowledge there's a huge difference between the Democratic Party Line and actual left/socialist politics!