Who writes flos headlines?

[BruceyB]

14 minutes ago, ionel said:

Espn

Certainly you jest.

[BruceyB]

26 minutes ago, wrestle87 said:

If you know you know.

I wish I knew. Good rebuttal. 

[ionel]

4 minutes ago, BruceyB said:

Certainly you jest.

They have good announcers, great coverage, never have a streaming issue, cover most all the B12 & ACC duals & tournament, plus some others and all of NCAA.  What more do you want. 

[BruceyB]

20 minutes ago, ionel said:

They have good announcers, great coverage, never have a streaming issue, cover most all the B12 & ACC duals & tournament, plus some others and all of NCAA.  What more do you want. 

Midseason shows discussing the latest news in college wrestling.

College rankings.

High school rankings.

Recruiting updates.

Big boards.

Literally any high school coverage.

Match previews.

Match recaps.

U.S. Open coverage.

WTT/OTT coverage.

u17/u20/u23 coverage.

Brackets.

An archive of matches after they happen.

Coverage of World's and content leading up to the event.

A breakdown of Worlds/Olympics after they are completed.

 

Just to name a few aspects of coverage and promotion that Flo does superior to ESPN. When I want to look up an old match or information regarding wrestling, I have never once gone to ESPN.com.

Edit: Typo

Edited yesterday at 05:03 AM by BruceyB

[ionel]

25 minutes ago, BruceyB said:

Midseason shows discussing the latest news in college wrestling.

College rankings.

High school rankings.

Recruiting updates.

Big boards.

Literally any high school coverage.

Match previews.

Match recaps.

U.S. Open coverage.

WTT/OTT coverage.

u17/u20/u23 coverage.

Brackets.

An archive of matches after they happen.

Coverage of World's and content leading up to the event.

A breakdown of Worlds/Olympics after they are completed.

 

Just to name a few aspects of coverage and promotion that Flo does superior to ESPN. When I want to look up an old match or information regarding wrestling, I have never once gone to ESPN.com.

Edit: Typo

To each his own.  I'm watching the Australian Open on ESPN right now ... why ... because I want to see the match.  I don't want to watch someone talk about the match for 30 minutes, I just want to watch the match.  This morning i watched a match from the middle of the night night on Espn+.  They are all there on demand, easy to find just like wrestling.  I just want a service that streams the matches.  I can read about various rankings etc don't need to hear someone explain why 5 is better than 6.  But again, to each his own. 

Also I don't want to deal with a service that mixes and list high school and kids club in with college events.  I just want to see the D1 events.  Its like the AO on ESPN now, I don't have to search thru every current age group of tennis, I just click on the AO button.  For wrestling its the NCAA button. 

Edited yesterday at 05:31 AM by ionel

[BruceyB]

36 minutes ago, ionel said:

To each his own.  I'm watching the Australian Open on ESPN right now ... why ... because I want to see the match.  I don't want to watch someone talk about the match for 30 minutes, I just want to watch the match.  This morning i watched a match from the middle of the night night on Espn+.  They are all there on demand, easy to find just like wrestling.  I just want a service that streams the matches.  I can read about various rankings etc don't need to hear someone explain why 5 is better than 6.  But again, to each his own. 

Also I don't want to deal with a service that mixes and list high school and kids club in with college events.  I just want to see the D1 events.  Its like the AO on ESPN now, I don't have to search thru every current age group of tennis, I just click on the AO button.  For wrestling its the NCAA button. 

I would agree to each their own. I am a glutton for wrestling coverage. I enjoy looking at rankings, prognostications, previews before a big dual, a breakdown after the dual, and I also really enjoy the limited amount of big freestyle events that get coverage. The build up before the actual event, and then seeing how it unfolds compared to my predictions and the predictions of those that are "knowledgeable" makes the event more intriguing for myself.

If you're only concerned with NCAA streaming, then, yes, ESPN and Big10 provide much more coverage as they own the broadcasting rights to the majority of duals, conference tournaments, and of course the biggest of all, the NCAA championships.

I pay for ESPN+ and BIG10/BIG10+ to watch the matches, I pay for Flowrestling because I want everything that surrounds the actual event.

[wrestle87]

5 hours ago, BruceyB said:

I wish I knew. Good rebuttal. 

I will give you names who used to be part of the flo team, all left.

Martin Floreani, Joe Williamson, Mike Mal, our own board host here, Cliff Fretwell, Lee Roper, just to name a few.

Bader used to have 10x the face time he does now.

So…like I said, if you were around for it, if you know, you know, it’s not a question, just a reality.

[AnklePicker]

2 hours ago, wrestle87 said:

I will give you names who used to be part of the flo team, all left.

Martin Floreani, Joe Williamson, Mike Mal, our own board host here, Cliff Fretwell, Lee Roper, just to name a few.

Bader used to have 10x the face time he does now.

So…like I said, if you were around for it, if you know, you know, it’s not a question, just a reality.

I’ve been around since day 1.  Flo is ten times better now than it was then. Wth are you talking about?  Martin created the site but barely made any content, Joe is a good dude but hardly a professional journalist or broadcaster.  Mike Mal was cool but does ESPN keep all of their commentators forever?  Stop with the nonsense. Flo has done more for wrestling in the last 20 years than any company in the world.  Are they always perfect?  Hell no. Do they write cheesy headlines?  Hell yes but overall they try to do what’s best for wrestling while trying to turn a buck in the process. Hammerlock has a bug up his ass about Flo even though he continues to give them his money. 

[1032004]

3 hours ago, wrestle87 said:

I will give you names who used to be part of the flo team, all left.

Martin Floreani, Joe Williamson, Mike Mal, our own board host here, Cliff Fretwell, Lee Roper, just to name a few.

Bader used to have 10x the face time he does now.

So…like I said, if you were around for it, if you know, you know, it’s not a question, just a reality.

Well Martin still owns a significant piece of the company, despite going on unhinged rants about how “glaringly egregious” it is

[BruceyB]

9 hours ago, wrestle87 said:

I will give you names who used to be part of the flo team, all left.

Martin Floreani, Joe Williamson, Mike Mal, our own board host here, Cliff Fretwell, Lee Roper, just to name a few.

Bader used to have 10x the face time he does now.

So…like I said, if you were around for it, if you know, you know, it’s not a question, just a reality.

@AnklePicker pretty much covered what needs to be said.

[wrestle87]

15 hours ago, AnklePicker said:

I’ve been around since day 1.  Flo is ten times better now than it was then. Wth are you talking about?  Martin created the site but barely made any content, Joe is a good dude but hardly a professional journalist or broadcaster.  Mike Mal was cool but does ESPN keep all of their commentators forever?  Stop with the nonsense. Flo has done more for wrestling in the last 20 years than any company in the world.  Are they always perfect?  Hell no. Do they write cheesy headlines?  Hell yes but overall they try to do what’s best for wrestling while trying to turn a buck in the process. Hammerlock has a bug up his ass about Flo even though he continues to give them his money. 

 

[Hammerlock3]

15 hours ago, AnklePicker said:

overall they try to do what’s best for wrestling while trying to turn a buck in the process. Hammerlock has a bug up his ass about Flo even though he continues to give them his money. 

If i didn't need to follow athletes at tournaments I wouldn't. I don't think they do anything for wrestling. There are big changes coming to college next year, potentially disastrous, and they have hardly mentioned them.  

[okokzach]

45 minutes ago, Hammerlock3 said:

If i didn't need to follow athletes at tournaments I wouldn't. I don't think they do anything for wrestling. There are big changes coming to college next year, potentially disastrous, and they have hardly mentioned them.  

They cover matches that otherwise wouldn't get quality, nationwide coverage. They even put a fair amount of it out for free on YouTube, including some free livestreams like the recent Bishop McCort-Wyoming Sem dual.

They have a crazy number of rankings, updated regularly, at all levels of wrestling.

Articles, recaps, interviews, and so on.

Brackets with live updates. 

Athlete profile pages with biographies, match videos, and results.

A fun and accessible wrestling podcast with nice production quality.

Tons of free video content, with a ton of variety. Watch Bader's Chance documentary, or watch Tyler's video with Bo and Jax on the first day of open recruiting. High quality work that gives insights and access you wouldn't get otherwise.

And they're literally putting on events. They matched up Ono and Spencer Lee. Is there more of a dream matchup even possible of any current guys at any weight? 

Insane to say they don't do anything for wrestling.

[Hammerlock3]

4 minutes ago, okokzach said:

They cover matches that otherwise wouldn't get quality, nationwide coverage. They even put a fair amount of it out for free on YouTube, including some free livestreams like the recent Bishop McCort-Wyoming Sem dual.

They have a crazy number of rankings, updated regularly, at all levels of wrestling.

Articles, recaps, interviews, and so on.

Brackets with live updates. 

Athlete profile pages with biographies, match videos, and results.

A fun and accessible wrestling podcast with nice production quality.

Tons of free video content, with a ton of variety. Watch Bader's Chance documentary, or watch Tyler's video with Bo and Jax on the first day of open recruiting. High quality work that gives insights and access you wouldn't get otherwise.

And they're literally putting on events. They matched up Ono and Spencer Lee. Is there more of a dream matchup even possible of any current guys at any weight? 

Insane to say they don't do anything for wrestling.

what aspect of that grows the sport. I'm not talking about providing services to a captive audience, I'm talking about either making the sport palatable to people who aren't already involved, or challenging/refining concepts within the community. 

[okokzach]

2 minutes ago, Hammerlock3 said:

what aspect of that grows the sport. I'm not talking about providing services to a captive audience, I'm talking about either making the sport palatable to people who aren't already involved, or challenging/refining concepts within the community. 

I wasn't a fan of wrestling a year ago. Never wrestled; never followed it. I was only familiar with some of the biggest names and would only watch NCAAs if I happened to need something to watch and it was on ESPN (though it's been a long time since I had ESPN), as well as a bit of the Olympics. I got a little more interested after learning John Smith was retiring and David Taylor was taking over. One Olympic legend passing the torch to another plus the possibility that maybe Penn State won't win 11 of the next 13 team titles was pretty interesting, but I really knew nothing about wrestling.

Flo's podcast has been an accessible way to learn about the world of wrestling and their live match commentaries (along with others) has been a way for me to learn what is actually going on during the matches. I probably couldn't give you a textbook definition with qualifiers for what is and is not a takedown, but I feel like I know it when I see it now. I never miss an episode of FRL now and I'm invested in a lot wrestlers I've become a fan of at all levels of wrestling. I attended my first dual meet recently and took my family. Hope to go to more in the future when time and funds permit. 

I'm sure there's plenty to critique and improve about Flo and their coverage, and since I'm a new fan, I can't say if it's better or worse than it was in the past, but I can definitely say they make the sport "palatable" to new fans.

[BruceyB]

2 hours ago, okokzach said:

I wasn't a fan of wrestling a year ago. Never wrestled; never followed it.

I'm from the PNW and when the Seattle Kraken were announced, I got interested in learning about hockey, which I had never played nor seen a single game. I knew Wayne Gretsky, Alexander Ovechkin, and Sydney Crosby.. not really any other players. I started listening to the Spittin Chiclets podcast and learned so much about the rules, game strategies, the players, coaches, teams, which teams were good, on and on and on. Having a podcast and the ability to learn from listening to knowledgeable people talk about a sport is a great way to grow a sport. I now am glued to the NHL playoffs and watch most games in their entirety because of the knowledge of storylines and grasp of the sport that I learned primarily from listening to the podcast. 

It sounds like this is what FRL did for you, and I think that's amazing. I don't follow high school wrestling all that closely outside of a few key events where I recognize a handful of names purely from listening to FRL. I wouldn't know who was committing where or what the trajectory was without flowrestling. I think it's now easy to take for granted so much information that was all but unknown 20 years ago. Ben Askren talks about how he and his high school coach (Mesenbrink) were sending highlight videos to college coaches when he wasn't being recruited. That just wouldn't happen today, and that is primarily a product of flowrestling's existence and the now much more expansive coverage of wrestling in general. 

Even if you want to argue they aren't growing the sport, flo is at bare minimum providing a plethora of content for those that want more than coverage of duals in major conferences and NCAAs.