What happened to Coleman Scott at Ohio State?

[pokemonster]

42 minutes ago, alex1fly said:

Coleman is a self aware guy. He doesn’t have a grudge. His family wants to settle down in Stillwater for a bit and he is figuring out if/how to stay involved with wrestling. It’s not complicated. 

I think the complicated portion is what is his involvement with Ohio State? Must only be a temporary situation - can't see how running an RTC remotely or commuting from Stillwater would work as a long term gig. He's gotta be moving on sometime soon if he has not already. 

[666]

9 minutes ago, pokemonster said:

I think the complicated portion is what is his involvement with Ohio State? Must only be a temporary situation - can't see how running an RTC remotely or commuting from Stillwater would work as a long term gig. He's gotta be moving on sometime soon if he has not already. 

Isn't running an RTC a full time job about on par with being a HC? 

[ionel]

50 minutes ago, pokemonster said:

I think the complicated portion is what is his involvement with Ohio State? Must only be a temporary situation - can't see how running an RTC remotely or commuting from Stillwater would work as a long term gig. He's gotta be moving on sometime soon if he has not already. 

Is he running a RTC?

[okokzach]

5 hours ago, 666 said:

David Taylor was hired on May 6, 2024. Hendrickson announced committing to OSU on May 19., 2024. May 27. 2024 Dean Hamiti announced he was committing to OSU. May 24, 2024 Cam Amine committed to OSU. The only guy who had committed to OSU prior to them hiring Taylor was Caleb Fish and I wouldn't be surprised if Fish somehow got wind that OSU was hiring Taylor. Maybe Taylor himself told him, but I think Fish probably just wanted out of MSU at to be at a major program. 

You were saying somebody was talking out their ass?  There's a thing called "the internet" where you can dig up information like that in about 10 seconds, you should try it sometime. 

Hamiti said in an interview he was already coming. Wyatt also was already coming, but had to get everything worked out first. If you don't believe that, fine, he had already taken a visit to OSU (his first), so obviously your line "They got several elite transfers they'd have never gotten otherwise." is bs 

Edited Thursday at 07:25 PM by okokzach

[okokzach]

5 hours ago, 666 said:

David Taylor was hired on May 6, 2024. May 27. 2024 Dean Hamiti announced he was committing to OSU. 

March 27. Not May. March is before May. 

 

 

 

Check the date

[alex1fly]

5 hours ago, 666 said:

You are probably right. What I think is crazy is the guys in the forum who say Scott didn't really have any reason to expect he'd get the OSU job. That's crazy. He was very successful as HC at UNC and quit the HC job there to be assistant HC at OSU. Obviously he thought he'd be next in line to replace John Smith if he took the assistant HC job at OSU. Maybe he screwed himself with wrong expectations by leaving UNC, but maybe some OSU people made him some promises which they didn't keep.  Probably it's a combination of both to some degree. 

Eh, some folks enjoy speculating more than tracking down information. All good, this is low stakes stuff.

Coleman himself said he wasn’t promised the job, that it was an opportunity to coach with his mentor, plus an opportunity to move back to a place he and his wife both love, and that it could give him a leg up in the hiring process depending on how the season went. It was never “come coach here and take my job”. 

I’ve been following every piece of Coleman news and he said all of those things several times. 

Edited Thursday at 09:57 PM by alex1fly

[1032004]

9 hours ago, 666 said:

Not too shabby, but none for the last 18 years, and OSU was consistently declining almost the entirety of that time. 

Declining vs what?  Winning the title?  Just in the wrestlestat era they got 2nd in 2016 and 3rd in 2014, 2017, 2019, and 2021.  It was really just the last few years that they dropped off.

[666]

11 hours ago, 1032004 said:

Declining vs what?  Winning the title?  Just in the wrestlestat era they got 2nd in 2016 and 3rd in 2014, 2017, 2019, and 2021.  It was really just the last few years that they dropped off.

 

Declining vs what OSU used to be. What they should be. And how many years did OSU not even finish in the top 10 in that span? 

[1032004]

56 minutes ago, 666 said:

 

Declining vs what OSU used to be. What they should be. And how many years did OSU not even finish in the top 10 in that span? 

From 2014-2021 they only had one year outside the top 10, and only 2 years outside the top 3

[alex1fly]

OSU's perceived decline also has to do with how they were wrestling. Defensive, close matches, "chess match" somebody called it, low output, predictable strategies, lots of season-ending injuries for top guys (Boo twice, Brock twice, Weigel, Surber, Smith, several others I'm forgetting). Not the OSU style of the past, which they've gotten back to this season with the new staff.

Edited Friday at 04:31 PM by alex1fly

[666]

Just now, alex1fly said:

OSU's perceived decline also has to do with how they were wrestling. Defensive, close matches, "chess match" somebody called it, low output, but also lots of season-ending injuries for top guys (Boo twice, Brock twice, Weigel, Surber, several others I'm forgetting). Not the OSU style of the past, which they've gotten back to this season with the new staff.

I hope DT isn't crazy about making his guys cut weight like JS was. 

[alex1fly]

Just now, 666 said:

I hope DT isn't crazy about making his guys cut weight like JS was. 

Same. They've definitely changed up how they practice - more wrestling, less running. 

[Interviewed_at_Weehawken]

On 1/15/2025 at 10:14 PM, ionel said:

I've had people tell me that Ohio St football fans are the worse fans ever.  I've never had a problem with their wrestling fans.

I love tOSU wrestling fans. and have had great interactions with Coach Ryan.

Ending up accidently going into a tOSU sportsbar on gameday this past fall was not the most fun experience of my life.

[Interviewed_at_Weehawken]

On 1/16/2025 at 11:00 AM, 666 said:

You are probably right. What I think is crazy is the guys in the forum who say Scott didn't really have any reason to expect he'd get the OSU job. That's crazy. He was very successful as HC at UNC and quit the HC job there to be assistant HC at OSU. Obviously he thought he'd be next in line to replace John Smith if he took the assistant HC job at OSU. Maybe he screwed himself with wrong expectations by leaving UNC, but maybe some OSU people made him some promises which they didn't keep.  Probably it's a combination of both to some degree. 

I wouldn't call being the 4th best team in the 6th team ACC as being VERY successful, especially when one of the teams you are better than is Duke.

Two years under Koll, and the program may have already eclipsed anything Coleman Scott's teams did.

[juniorvarsity]

On 1/16/2025 at 8:46 AM, 666 said:

David Taylor was hired on May 6, 2024. Hendrickson announced committing to OSU on May 19., 2024. May 27. 2024 Dean Hamiti announced he was committing to OSU. May 24, 2024 Cam Amine committed to OSU. The only guy who had committed to OSU prior to them hiring Taylor was Caleb Fish and I wouldn't be surprised if Fish somehow got wind that OSU was hiring Taylor. Maybe Taylor himself told him, but I think Fish probably just wanted out of MSU at to be at a major program. 

You were saying somebody was talking out their ass?  There's a thing called "the internet" where you can dig up information like that in about 10 seconds, you should try it sometime. 

Thanks for sharing those dates. They seem accurate. But Hamiti was in Stillwater the day after NCAAs. All of these guys visited OK St before anyone knew about Taylor going there. It just feels like all these transfers mind's were made up ahead of Taylor getting there. You can go ahead and restate those dates as an excuse to make your point about Taylor/OSU/Transfers, but I think we all know how it actually went down.

[bnwtwg]

4 minutes ago, Interviewed_at_Weehawken said:

I wouldn't call being the 4th best team in the 6th team ACC as being VERY successful, especially when one of the teams you are better than is Duke.

Two years under Koll, and the program may have already eclipsed anything Coleman Scott's teams did.

He also had the best results in at least 20 years including a 2x champ, 13 AAs, consistently top 20 team score, and generally pulling the program out of the cellar. He made chicken salad out of chicken sht and Koll is taking it to the next level.

[ionel]

24 minutes ago, Interviewed_at_Weehawken said:

I love tOSU wrestling fans. and have had great interactions with Coach Ryan.

Ending up accidently going into a tOSU sportsbar on gameday this past fall was not the most fun experience of my life.

Was @MPhillips there?

[Interviewed_at_Weehawken]

2 minutes ago, bnwtwg said:

He also had the best results in at least 20 years including a 2x champ, 13 AAs, consistently top 20 team score, and generally pulling the program out of the cellar. He made chicken salad out of chicken sht and Koll is taking it to the next level.

He had AOC, but not much else.  One of the best brands in college athletics and they were a bottom dweller in the ACC.  They have gotten much better in two years.

[Interviewed_at_Weehawken]

9 minutes ago, ionel said:

Was @MPhillips there?

I wish! I would have bought him dinner!

[bnwtwg]

9 minutes ago, Interviewed_at_Weehawken said:

He had AOC, but not much else.  One of the best brands in college athletics and they were a bottom dweller in the ACC.  They have gotten much better in two years.

I... I don't think you grasp...

Ehh, whatever.

[Interviewed_at_Weehawken]

1 minute ago, bnwtwg said:

I... I don't think you grasp...

Ehh, whatever.

I.. I do... I have been to a lot of ACC matches.

I like all I know about Coleman Scott as a person.  He was a fantastic wrestler.  He clobbered my guy when I coached at him.  He was not fantastic at UNC.  That is just the truth.  

If you think he was a great UNC coach, let me tell you about Bill Lam...

[bnwtwg]

2 hours ago, Interviewed_at_Weehawken said:

I.. I do... I have been to a lot of ACC matches.

I like all I know about Coleman Scott as a person.  He was a fantastic wrestler.  He clobbered my guy when I coached at him.  He was not fantastic at UNC.  That is just the truth.  

If you think he was a great UNC coach, let me tell you about Bill Lam...

Lam was good until he wasn't the last decade of his career. Then UNC went downhill hard and fast. Scott executed a hard  and fast overall turnaround. Culture, wrestler development, coaching staff, family engagement, fundraising. It was a wilting program that he revived and is thriving after departing, the fact that Koll returned home after growing Cornell and steadying the Stanford ship makes it all the better for the UNC program.

[Interviewed_at_Weehawken]

2 hours ago, bnwtwg said:

Lam was good until he wasn't the last decade of his career. Then UNC went downhill hard and fast. Scott executed a hard  and fast overall turnaround. Culture, wrestler development, coaching staff, family engagement, fundraising. It was a wilting program that he revived and is thriving after departing, the fact that Koll returned home after growing Cornell and steadying the Stanford ship makes it all the better for the UNC program.

What happened to "whatever?"

[bnwtwg]

42 minutes ago, Interviewed_at_Weehawken said:

What happened to "whatever?"

I became annoyed by intentional negligence and was played like a fiddle while I'm bored traveling home on a Friday.

[Interviewed_at_Weehawken]

1 hour ago, bnwtwg said:

I became annoyed by intentional negligence and was played like a fiddle while I'm bored traveling home on a Friday.

Well, have a good trip and enjoy your homecoming.  Have a nice weekend!