Rocco Out

[GeneYus]

[TNwrestling]

1 hour ago, MPhillips said:

https://www.flowrestling.org/articles/13272402-tom-ryan-clears-the-air-on-rocco-welsh-transfer-speculation

“What made (that option) challenging was Carson was out until December and Carson has no redshirt and Rocco does,” Ryan said. “So if we have a redshirt (at your disposal) and you lose (the wrestle-off), your redshirt is gone because you’ve been wrestling (in the lineup) up until December."

So Karchela beat him in a wrestle off....got it...

[MPhillips]

2 minutes ago, TNwrestling said:

So Karchela beat him in a wrestle off....got it...

So you're surmising that Coachella is healthy and the wrestle off happened with Rocky loosing...

[maligned]

9 minutes ago, TNwrestling said:

“What made (that option) challenging was Carson was out until December and Carson has no redshirt and Rocco does,” Ryan said. “So if we have a redshirt (at your disposal) and you lose (the wrestle-off), your redshirt is gone because you’ve been wrestling (in the lineup) up until December."

So Karchela beat him in a wrestle off....got it...

He obviously didn't lose to Kharchla, but the reading between the lines part from all of Ryan's comments feels like this: Yes, he had 3 choices and, yes, he probably would have been given some autonomy to genuinely choose. BUT...there was almost certainly this: "but listen, man, what's probably best for the team and your bigger dreams is for you to take your redshirt this year." 

[MPhillips]

8 minutes ago, maligned said:

BUT...there was almost certainly this: "but listen, man, what's probably best for the team is for you to take your redshirt this year." 

Absolutely. AND they aren't wrong...

[maligned]

2 minutes ago, MPhillips said:

Absolutely. AND they aren't wrong...

They're not wrong, but it's the basis of what's not really being said: He felt pressured to take the redshirt and frustrated by how the season is playing out and considered moving on.

[RandolphTJones]

32 minutes ago, TNwrestling said:

“What made (that option) challenging was Carson was out until December and Carson has no redshirt and Rocco does,” Ryan said. “So if we have a redshirt (at your disposal) and you lose (the wrestle-off), your redshirt is gone because you’ve been wrestling (in the lineup) up until December."

So Karchela beat him in a wrestle off....got it...

Doubful!

[Idaho]

 " Ryan called those posts “negligent reporting” and “very damaging and very unhealthy.”  

And just like that, hundreds of posts disappeared over night. 

[maligned]

18 minutes ago, MPhillips said:

Absolutely. AND they aren't wrong...

Two other thoughts here: What is our definition of "best for the team" by the way? The best for the team PERFORMANCE in all scenarios for this isolated year is for Rocco Welsh to be in the lineup. He would outplace anyone else at 174 or 184. "Best for the team" in this case really means best for team ETHOS because it's best for the guy who's paid his dues, will come close to AA level, and "deserves" his shot.

Second thought: What can be done in these scenarios to better engage a guy competitively when it does make sense to take a shirt, but you're such a high level guy? Couldn't they find ways to get him additional freestyle time with the OTC and let him attend a couple international events to cut his teeth there more? 

Edited December 20, 2024 by maligned

[MPhillips]

8 minutes ago, maligned said:

They're not wrong, but it's the basis of what's not really being said: He felt pressured to take the redshirt and frustrated by how the season is playing out and considered moving on.

Of course...

[TNwrestling]

48 minutes ago, MPhillips said:

So you're surmising that Coachella is healthy and the wrestle off happened with Rocky loosing...

Im surmising that most of the time Rocky is tightened up. 

[ionel]

2 hours ago, MPhillips said:

https://www.flowrestling.org/articles/13272402-tom-ryan-clears-the-air-on-rocco-welsh-transfer-speculation

"The Internet buzzed this week"

"social media speculation created a brush fire"

 

They are talking about correct?  Don't we deserve a citation?  

[TNwrestling]

8 minutes ago, ionel said:

"The Internet buzzed this week"

"social media speculation created a brush fire"

 

They are talking about correct?  Don't we deserve a citation?  

Mineo reported it a day before I started this thread. 

 

That's where I initially saw it. 

[1032004]

2 minutes ago, TNwrestling said:

Mineo reported it a day before I started this thread. 

 

That's where I initially saw it. 

He may have gotten it from this:

https://247sports.com/college/ohio-state/board/101483/contents/6-ohio-state-at-pittsburgh-dec-13-2024-241891195/?page=3

[1032004]

I don’t think I noticed this post originally, definitely a lot going on this post, no clue how much of it is true:

 

 

buckeye6674913

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It seems like there are a number of other things going on. Apparently Rocco consistently weighs over 200/210 which would explain why he has been up at 184. I was also told he spent time in the hospital after NCAAs last year with kidney issues from cutting weight. I dont understand the redshirt at 184 given he would be the best option for the team at that weight as well. Also saw his mom post on facebook that his $70,000 car was stolen from his apartment in columbus and apparently he told some of the guys he could be making a lot more money at another school. Not sure what Ohio States NIL looks like but I dont think they can compete with some other schools. Its why they event landed any big transfers. If all is true I would think these things impact his decision.

[ionel]

15 minutes ago, TNwrestling said:

Mineo reported it a day before I started this thread. 

 

That's where I initially saw it. 

Yeah but you started the brush fire on here correct, you oughta get a little credit. 

Edited December 20, 2024 by ionel

[TNwrestling]

12 minutes ago, ionel said:

Yeah but you started the brush fire on here correct, you oughta get a little credit. 

If they kept their floors cleaner the space lasers wouldn't start the fire. I take no blame. 

 

No but seriously, i really didnt mean for it to take legs to the point of someone having to deny it. Mineo has to know someone connected to make a claim that lead to an actual denial. He wouldn't just make that up outta thin air. 

[ionel]

3 minutes ago, TNwrestling said:

If they kept their floors cleaner the space lasers wouldn't start the fire. I take no blame. 

 

No but seriously, i really didnt mean for it to take legs to the point of someone having to deny it. Mineo has to know someone connected to make a claim that lead to an actual denial. He wouldn't just make that up outta thin air. 

Yeah it was on other boards as well, this prob wasn't the only brush fire, although no one (MP, Randolph, etc) jumped in to put it out.   

[MPhillips]

8 minutes ago, ionel said:

Yeah it was on other boards as well, this prob wasn't the only brush fire, although no one (MP, Randolph, etc) jumped in to put it out.   

After Willie and Basch mentioned it Tues. on their show there was no reason to put anything out...

[nhs67]

22 minutes ago, TNwrestling said:

If they kept their floors cleaner the space lasers wouldn't start the fire. I take no blame. 

 

No but seriously, i really didnt mean for it to take legs to the point of someone having to deny it. Mineo has to know someone connected to make a claim that lead to an actual denial. He wouldn't just make that up outta thin air. 

Whodat?

[Idaho]

2 hours ago, TNwrestling said:

No but seriously, i really didnt mean for it to take legs to the point of someone having to deny it. Mineo has to know someone connected to make a claim that lead to an actual denial. He wouldn't just make that up outta thin air. 

It's all of wrestling "media" trying to break stories first and have inside scoops... creating drama and theories creates clicks. 

[RawDog]

14 hours ago, maligned said:

Two other thoughts here: What is our definition of "best for the team" by the way? The best for the team PERFORMANCE in all scenarios for this isolated year is for Rocco Welsh to be in the lineup. He would outplace anyone else at 174 or 184. "Best for the team" in this case really means best for team ETHOS because it's best for the guy who's paid his dues, will come close to AA level, and "deserves" his shot.

Second thought: What can be done in these scenarios to better engage a guy competitively when it does make sense to take a shirt, but you're such a high level guy? Couldn't they find ways to get him additional freestyle time with the OTC and let him attend a couple international events to cut his teeth there more? 

His ceiling is probably 4th at either weight.  Both weights clear out significantly after this year.  It would have been stupid to not use his redshirt. Also kharchla could place as high as 4th. Redshirt is best for him and the team.