Which non Penn State wrestlers will be undefeated going into NCAAs?

[Interviewed_at_Weehawken]

4 minutes ago, ionel said:

 

There were no undefeated wrestlers in that bracket correct?  And the 2 loss wrestler was not seeded over either of the 1 loss wrestlers.

I got the bracket 100% wrong.  O'Toole and Mesenbrink both undefeated.  Two loss Carr was 4th.... despite being a NATIONAL CHAMP.

However, I'm pretty sure that the current formula with have undefeated Wyatt at #2 over one loss Daniel Gregory.

[PortaJohn]

3 minutes ago, Interviewed_at_Weehawken said:

I got the bracket 100% wrong.  O'Toole and Mesenbrink both undefeated.  Two loss Carr was 4th.... despite being a NATIONAL CHAMP.

However, I'm pretty sure that the current formula with have undefeated Wyatt at #2 over one loss Daniel Gregory.

Emphasis on TWO with one being to Ramirez.  Had he only had one loss to KOT at Big 12s then he gets the #2 seed.

Edited December 11 by PortaJohn

[Interviewed_at_Weehawken]

1 minute ago, PortaJohn said:

Emphasis on TWO with one being to Ramirez.  Had he only had the loss KOT at Big 12s then he gets the #2 seed.

Wait... shouldn't we be talking about TWO LOSS Kerkvliet?

[PortaJohn]

Just now, Interviewed_at_Weehawken said:

Wait... shouldn't we be talking about TWO LOSS Kerkvliet?

I'm talking about 1 loss Kerk

[ionel]

7 minutes ago, PortaJohn said:

Last year O'Toole and Mesenbrink were the undefeated wrestlers.  Carr came in with 2 losses & got penalized with the #4 seed because of his loss to Ramirez 

Brackets show KOT 24-1 and MM 26-1.

[Interviewed_at_Weehawken]

Just now, ionel said:

Brackets show KOT 24-1 and MM 26-1.

After the tourney.

[ionel]

1 minute ago, Interviewed_at_Weehawken said:

After the tourney.

Maybe they changed how they do it.  Used to be record on first match seed line was pre tourney record.  

[Interviewed_at_Weehawken]

1 minute ago, PortaJohn said:

I'm talking about 1 loss Kerk

Ahhh too bad the Big 10 schedule didn't work out a PSU/ Gophers dual.

But he still will be #3.

[PortaJohn]

Just now, Interviewed_at_Weehawken said:

Ahhh too bad the Big 10 schedule didn't work out a PSU/ Gophers dual.

But he still will be #3.

He will not with one loss to Steveson barring a major or tech fall loss

Edited December 11 by PortaJohn

[Interviewed_at_Weehawken]

Just now, ionel said:

Maybe they changed how they do it.  Used to be record on first match seed line was pre tourney record.  

I looked at one before the tourney started and they were both listed as undefeated.  Then they both took one loss.  That is my guess at what happened.

[Interviewed_at_Weehawken]

Just now, PortaJohn said:

He will not

100%

[PortaJohn]

Just now, Interviewed_at_Weehawken said:

100%

Yes, he will 100% not beat Steveson

[ionel]

4 minutes ago, PortaJohn said:

He will not with one loss to Steveson barring a major or tech fall loss

This sounds like a sig bet but way to much season ahead to get into a post season bet at this point.

[PortaJohn]

1 minute ago, ionel said:

This sounds like a sig bet but way to much season ahead to get into a post season bet at this point.

Yes, way too early because I also think Feldman will sneak in a victory over Kerk before NCAA's.  I think Kerk places higher come March but Feldman has the recipe to get one over him

[ionel]

1 minute ago, PortaJohn said:

Yes, way too early because I also think Feldman will sneak in a victory over Kerk before NCAA's.  I think Kerk places higher come March but Feldman has the recipe to get one over him

I'm betting Feldman is out for a couple three weeks but good time to be out.  Looked like torn cartilage to me.  

[ILLINIWrestlingBlog]

28 minutes ago, ionel said:

Maybe they changed how they do it.  Used to be record on first match seed line was pre tourney record.  

I thought this was a joke at first. A damn funny one at that. But I see what you mean. Still, if the seeding committee could know the final records of the wrestlers before the tournament even started, we wouldn't need to have a tournament and could just lay there content in our Matrix pods.

With the tubes and the gloop. 

On another note, I hope everybody discussing Hendrickson and Kerk goes back and watches that world championship gold match where Hendrickson got injured. I was ASTONISHED that he showed up for the All Star match. Lots of heart shown, but bad decision in hindsight. Can't explain the Davison loss, though. 

By the way, the correct answer is Byrd. Lucas Byrd. 

[Interviewed_at_Weehawken]

45 minutes ago, ionel said:

I'm betting Feldman is out for a couple three weeks but good time to be out.  Looked like torn cartilage to me.  

It sure did.  I have two ribs that stick out more than the others because of that injury.  I am in no way as tough as Nick Feldman, but they don't heal easy.

(the first one was in a victory over a D1 AA ; the second was wrestling my son in practice two years ago... I was showboating and well, stuff happens.  I am officially retired.)

[Pinnacle]

1 hour ago, ionel said:

I'm betting Feldman is out for a couple three weeks but good time to be out.  Looked like torn cartilage to me.  

Can a 1 cartilage Feldman beat a 2 cartilage Kerk? 

[Wrestleknownothing]

12 minutes ago, Pinnacle said:

Can a 1 cartilage Feldman beat a 2 cartilage Kerk? 

I'm with ya. If you are telling me Feldman is dealing with injury, but Kerkvliet is not, it is Kerkvliet all day. And even an uninjured Feldman who lost to Ghadiali is a big underdog.

[ionel]

40 minutes ago, Interviewed_at_Weehawken said:

It sure did.  I have two ribs that stick out more than the others because of that injury.  I am in no way as tough as Nick Feldman, but they don't heal easy.

(the first one was in a victory over a D1 AA ; the second was wrestling my son in practice two years ago... I was showboating and well, stuff happens.  I am officially retired.)

I was sitting mat side, he was in a lot of pain but location looked like cartilage.  I'd say he will be fine first dual in January.  Eric Seibert won an NCAA title less than 2 weeks after and without getting on the mat until first match.  

Edited December 11 by ionel

[Truzzcat]

Ill go in order of most to least confident:

Gable
Hendrickson
Parker
Alirez
Mendez
Henson
Crookham
Ramos
KOT
Hamiti
AJ Ferrari (I'm putting into place a 10-match minimum which I could see him not hitting)
 

[ionel]

23 minutes ago, Pinnacle said:

Can a 1 cartilage Feldman beat a 2 cartilage Kerk? 

 

7 minutes ago, Wrestleknownothing said:

I'm with ya. If you are telling me Feldman is dealing with injury, but Kerkvliet is not, it is Kerkvliet all day. And even an uninjured Feldman who lost to Ghadiali is a big underdog.

He'll be fine after Dr Phillips does a cartilage transplant, maybe add an extra one, 3 vs 2 might give him a chance against Kerk. 

[headshuck]

Ionel you’re trolling for that Stevenson guy to come up, amirite?

[ionel]

4 minutes ago, headshuck said:

Ionel you’re trolling for that Stevenson guy to come up, amirite?

... just little fishinng ...  

[Caveira]

1 hour ago, ionel said:

Maybe they changed how they do it.  Used to be record on first match seed line was pre tourney record.  

I got caught with similar comment before.  Don’t know when they changed it.  I prefer the going into the tourney record fwiw.