Brian Thompson CEO of United Health Care was murdered (shot several times) by a hit man this morning on the streets in New York.

[uncle bernard]

39 minutes ago, Caveira said:

And yet they travel farther for “nothing” vs said guarantee.     They must be weird.   
 

do you know how bets even work?   

It's almost like there are a bunch of variables that go into choosing where to move.

This is a pointless circle to go in and it distracts from the main fact:

People who have single-payer healthcare love it. It is the system most of the rest of the developed world uses, with great success. We are the outliers. Conservatives never want to address these facts (even though they all jump to sign up for Medicare which is....single payer!)

[Caveira]

Just now, uncle bernard said:

It's almost like there are a bunch of variables that go into choosing where to move.

This is a pointless circle to go in and it distracts from the main fact:

People who have single-payer healthcare love it. It is the system most of the rest of the developed world uses, with great success. We are the outliers. Conservatives never want to address these facts (even though they all jump to sign up for Medicare which is....single payer!)

So overall we have better variables and are a better place to live.   Got it. 

[uncle bernard]

1 minute ago, Caveira said:

Collateral damage in a war you started  is the same murder as stalking and shooting / murdering some ceo ?

1) Palestinians didn't start this war

2) Is the CEO not collateral damage in a larger political conflict?

[Interviewed_at_Weehawken]

9 minutes ago, Caveira said:

Collateral damage in a war you started  is the same murder as stalking and shooting / murdering some ceo ?

It depends on what MSNBC tells viewers to think.

He clearly is a fan of this particular murder.

[mspart]

2 hours ago, uncle bernard said:

Give them the choice, I'd bet most of them would rather have guaranteed healthcare in Europe.

Not England though, obviously.

mspart

[uncle bernard]

12 minutes ago, Interviewed_at_Weehawken said:

It depends on what MSNBC tells viewers to think.

He clearly is a fan of this particular murder.

Projection

[mspart]

23 minutes ago, uncle bernard said:

1) Palestinians didn't start this war

2) Is the CEO not collateral damage in a larger political conflict?

And here is UBs unadulterated stance. 

1.  Palestinians didn't start this war on Oct 7, 2023.   Nope, it wasn't them. 

2.  The killing of the CEO is not murder per se, it is part of a larger political conflict and certainly necessary.  

mspart

[Bigbrog]

Man is UB a whackadoodle!!  

Hmmm...let's see...would I wanted to get treated for a serious injury/disease in the US or somewhere oversees...let me thi...the freaking US all the way, not even close!  Love how people hate on the US and the various systems we have in place yet everyone wants to come here and the people that complain don't leave....hmmm??

[Caveira]

48 minutes ago, uncle bernard said:

Palestinians didn't start this war

You sure about that?

[mspart]

UBs  franco utopia!

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-64216269

France's health system under pressure of increasing demands

The UK's health system is buckling under the weight of staff shortages and a lack of beds. In France, meanwhile, there are more doctors and many more nurses, yet its healthcare system is still in crisis.

President Emmanuel Macron has promised to change the way its hospitals are funded, and to free doctors from time-consuming administration, in a bid to break what he called a "sense of endless crisis" in its health service.

mspart

 

 

[mspart]

UBs German utopia

https://www.euronews.com/health/2024/02/05/germanys-health-crisis-why-europes-biggest-economy-is-fending-off-a-chronic-doctor-shortag

Germany's health crisis: Why Europe's biggest economy is fending off a chronic doctor shortage

 

In Germany, one in four doctors are leaving the profession. What is being done to nurse the healthcare system back to health?

Germany is regarded by many to be a country of efficiency.

People in other countries often assume that German trains depart on time, the Internet runs at a normal speed and the healthcare system is flawless. But for the latter, at least, the data shows they are wrong.

December saw a closure of scores of doctors' practices across Germany, as many went on strike to protest worsening working conditions.

But it's not just German doctors who are angry; Slovenian and Portuguese doctors have also walked off the job. In Italy, doctors and nurses protested in December. And in January, British junior doctors began their longest industrial action in the history of the UK's National Health Service (NHS).

Oh so other countries are also in crisis.   UB and RV must be so informed. 

mspart

[mspart]

So in summary, the vaunted European health care system is in crisis in England, France, Germany, Slovenia, Portugal, and Italy.   It must be working well somewhere.  

mspart

 

[Offthemat]

It is a cowardly act to shoot an unarmed man in the back.  It used to get you hung quicker than anything.  
 

Most of the Scandinavian and European countries that have gov’t health care are either encouraging or moving to private health insurance.  Gov’t does nothing as efficiently as the private sector.  
 

That people don’t want to give up gov’t healthcare or social security is not proof of its superiority, it’s more an indication of their fear of being unprepared to manage the expense.  For most, had the money they contributed been invested at mediocre return rates - they’d be better off.  
 

Those with gov’t healthcare still face denials of procedures and medicine.  Long wait lists, denial of high cost prescriptions, wards as opposed to private rooms, and a shortage of supplies is ubiquitous.  Canada has now resorted to euthanasia as a solution.  
 

Healthcare is expensive and caregivers are in limited supply.  Wealthy folks will always get more and better than the poor.  But money doesn’t guarantee health.  Life isn’t fair.  And you don’t have the right to take or make demands of someone else’s.  

[uncle bernard]

2 hours ago, mspart said:

So in summary, the vaunted European health care system is in crisis in England, France, Germany, Slovenia, Portugal, and Italy.   It must be working well somewhere.  

mspart

 

Google US Healthcare Crisis and you’ll find hundreds of headlines just like that. Must mean our system is a disaster according to your logic right?

[uncle bernard]

28 minutes ago, Offthemat said:

It is a cowardly act to shoot an unarmed man in the back.  It used to get you hung quicker than anything.  
 

Most of the Scandinavian and European countries that have gov’t health care are either encouraging or moving to private health insurance.  Gov’t does nothing as efficiently as the private sector.  
 

That people don’t want to give up gov’t healthcare or social security is not proof of its superiority, it’s more an indication of their fear of being unprepared to manage the expense.  For most, had the money they contributed been invested at mediocre return rates - they’d be better off.  
 

Those with gov’t healthcare still face denials of procedures and medicine.  Long wait lists, denial of high cost prescriptions, wards as opposed to private rooms, and a shortage of supplies is ubiquitous.  Canada has now resorted to euthanasia as a solution.  
 

Healthcare is expensive and caregivers are in limited supply.  Wealthy folks will always get more and better than the poor.  But money doesn’t guarantee health.  Life isn’t fair.  And you don’t have the right to take or make demands of someone else’s.  

Absolute drivel. 

[uncle bernard]

Brian Thompson was on his way to deny care to a grandmother with breast cancer. Thankfully, like our national hero Daniel Penny, this good samaritan stepped in and killed him before he could hurt others. 

Am I doing that right @mspart?

[Le duke]

I thought Republicans were all about an eye for an eye? I mean, they overwhelmingly support the death penalty. And vigilante justice, too.

If you intentionally deny life saving care to someone because you deem it too costly, and it would eat into your quarterly earnings, are you any better than a murderer? You’ve made a choice, and it resulted in a person or people dying. You didn’t pull the trigger but you ordered someone’s death.

Or, are rich people simply held to a different standard? It’s OK when they do it, because it’s a business decision?

It’s interesting how many Republicans talk about “the elites” and how having them running things is bad, but then jump to defend them at all costs.


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[Offthemat]

1 hour ago, Le duke said:

I thought Republicans were all about an eye for an eye? I mean, they overwhelmingly support the death penalty. And vigilante justice, too.

If you intentionally deny life saving care to someone because you deem it too costly, and it would eat into your quarterly earnings, are you any better than a murderer? You’ve made a choice, and it resulted in a person or people dying. You didn’t pull the trigger but you ordered someone’s death.

Or, are rich people simply held to a different standard? It’s OK when they do it, because it’s a business decision?

It’s interesting how many Republicans talk about “the elites” and how having them running things is bad, but then jump to defend them at all costs.


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I’m calling BS on this.  From the first word to the last.  You don’t believe anything said in this post. 

[Caveira]

2 hours ago, Le duke said:

I thought Republicans were all about an eye for an eye? I mean, they overwhelmingly support the death penalty. And vigilante justice, too.

If you intentionally deny life saving care to someone because you deem it too costly, and it would eat into your quarterly earnings, are you any better than a murderer? You’ve made a choice, and it resulted in a person or people dying. You didn’t pull the trigger but you ordered someone’s death.

Or, are rich people simply held to a different standard? It’s OK when they do it, because it’s a business decision?

It’s interesting how many Republicans talk about “the elites” and how having them running things is bad, but then jump to defend them at all costs.


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Gotta ask.  On a scale of 1:10.   Does it hurt your soul at like a level of 100 that psu wrestling endorsed Trump ?

https://amp.centredaily.com/news/local/education/penn-state/article294600344.html

[Le duke]

36 minutes ago, Offthemat said:

 

 

36 minutes ago, Offthemat said:

I’m calling BS on this.  From the first word to the last.  You don’t believe anything said in this post. 

Well, I'm not expressing support for killing the man. But I also understand those who have very limited sympathy for him.

Also, you appear to sanction vigilante justice in the second sentence below, but seem to think that I'm pulling stuff out of thin air. And, Republicans are far, far more supportive of the state-sanctioned judicial homicide than Democrats; I'm not sure why you would say that I don't believe that. Every survey conducted in the last 40 years would bear that out. Here's the first one I found on Gallup: https://news.gallup.com/poll/653429/drop-death-penalty-support-led-younger-generations.aspx

While it might not meet the legal definition of a crime (murder, manslaughter, etc.) there is an exceptional level of moral failure in a society where a person makes millions of dollars a year by intentionally denying healthcare benefits to others. Similarly, there is an exceptional level of moral failure in a society where billionaires are celebrated for their greed and millions of people are hungry.

 

5 hours ago, Offthemat said:

It is a cowardly act to shoot an unarmed man in the back.  It used to get you hung quicker than anything.  

 

[Le duke]

10 minutes ago, Caveira said:

Gotta ask.  On a scale of 1:10.   Does it hurt your soul at like a level of 100 that psu wrestling endorsed Trump ?

https://amp.centredaily.com/news/local/education/penn-state/article294600344.html

Not at all. Why would it?

[Le duke]

Also, I'd like to point out that this event appears to have promoted positive changes for Americans who are insured by BCBS and required anesthesia for upcoming surgeries. See? This guy is a martyr already. /s

People often say that governments should fear their constituents. Perhaps the same should be said of corporations that feed off of those same people.

[Bigbrog]

It totally cracks me up that people seem to justify the killing of someone based off of stories you have made up in your head about denied claims by the health insurance company (by the way the CEO does not make claims decisions)...seriously, you have no idea why, or if health care claims are or were being denied...claiming it was because of profit for the company is weak, ignorant and asinine.  Every claim is different and not a single one of you know what the policy language is for any instance you speak of so please stop with the victim bashing and the ignorant uninformed statements.

[Le duke]

1 hour ago, Bigbrog said:

It totally cracks me up that people seem to justify the killing of someone based off of stories you have made up in your head about denied claims by the health insurance company (by the way the CEO does not make claims decisions)...seriously, you have no idea why, or if health care claims are or were being denied...claiming it was because of profit for the company is weak, ignorant and asinine.  Every claim is different and not a single one of you know what the policy language is for any instance you speak of so please stop with the victim bashing and the ignorant uninformed statements.

Thompson is the one who approved many of the profit-driven changes in how they bill, approve and reject claims overall. He was the CEO of the company. That's what he does. 

According to Fox News, via a conservative military/international affairs IG page I frequent (where this dude is getting torn apart): Their denial rate went from 10.9% in 2020 to 22.7% in 2022 to over 30% in 2024. Their profits have also skyrocketed during that timeframe. 

https://www.foxnews.com/live-news/unitedhealthcare-ceo-brian-thompson-murder-live-updates-12-07-2024

Someone edited the Wikipedia page about him to include this graph. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brian_Thompson_(businessman)#/media/File:Claim_denial_rates_by_insurance_company.webp

Edited December 7 by Le duke

[Caveira]

2 hours ago, Le duke said:

Thompson is the one who approved many of the profit-driven changes in how they bill, approve and reject claims overall. He was the CEO of the company. That's what he does. 

According to Fox News, via a conservative military/international affairs IG page I frequent (where this dude is getting torn apart): Their denial rate went from 10.9% in 2020 to 22.7% in 2022 to over 30% in 2024. Their profits have also skyrocketed during that timeframe. 

https://www.foxnews.com/live-news/unitedhealthcare-ceo-brian-thompson-murder-live-updates-12-07-2024

Someone edited the Wikipedia page about him to include this graph. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brian_Thompson_(businessman)#/media/File:Claim_denial_rates_by_insurance_company.webp

So you justify murder and domestic terrorism.  Got it.