fatlaz Posted November 23 Posted November 23 As recently as early September, wrestling was going to 30 maximum roster size with 30 full scholarships available for the 2025-2026 school year. Similar changes are being applied to other sports. I think I heard the scholarship/roster size change is on hold. Does anyone know for sure? How many teams would finance 30 full scholarships?
MPhillips Posted November 23 Posted November 23 Power 5 Teams with over 30 wrestlers in 2023-202 School 2023-24 Roster Conference Oregon State 43 Pac 12 Iowa State 41 Big 12 Iowa 40 Big 10 Michigan State 39 Big 10 Missouri 38 SEC/Big 12 Oklahoma State 38 Big 12 Arizona State 37 Big 12 Michigan 37 Big 10 Penn State 37 Big 10 West Virginia 37 Big 12 Nebraska 35 Big 10 Oklahoma 35 SEC/Big 12 Ohio State 34 Big 10 Virginia Tech 34 ACC Virginia 33 ACC Indiana 32 Big 10 Maryland 32 Big 10 North Carolina 32 ACC Pittsburgh 32 ACC NC State 31 ACC Purdue 31 Big 10 List of non-power 5 schools - they can opt in to the revenue sharing but then have to offer the 30 scholarships and cap their roster size to 30 School 2023-24 Roster Conference Army 53 EIWA Navy 49 EIWA Sacred Heart 49 EIWA Lehigh 45 EIWA Kent State 44 MAC Bellarmine 43 SOCON Clarion 40 MAC Cornell 38 Ivy League Penn 38 Ivy League Air Force 37 Big 12 Northern Illinois 37 MAC Rider 37 MAC VMI 37 SOCON Columbia 36 Ivy League Northern Colorado 36 Big 12 Ohio 36 MAC South Dakota State 36 Big 12 Appalachian State 35 SOCON Cleveland State 35 MAC Drexel 35 EIWA California Baptist 34 Big 12 Lock Haven 34 MAC North Dakota State 34 Big 12 Harvard 33 Ivy League Little Rock 33 Pac 12 Long Island 33 EIWA Wyoming 33 Big 12 Binghamton 32 EIWA Bucknell 32 EIWA Buffalo 32 MAC Franklin & Marshall 32 EIWA Gardner-Webb 32 SOCON George Mason 32 MAC Cal Poly 31 Pac 12 Edinboro 31 MAC Northern Iowa 31 Big 12 Chattanooga 30 SOCON CSU Bakersfield 30 Pac 12 SIUE 30 MAC Campbell 29 SOCON Central Michigan 29 MAC Princeton 29 Ivy League The Citadel 29 SOCON Davidson 28 SOCON Hofstra 28 EIWA Mercyhurst 28 Morgan State 28 American 27 EIWA Utah Valley 26 Big 12 Bloomsburg 23 MAC Brown 23 Ivy League Presbyterian 21 SOCON 1 .
MPhillips Posted November 23 Posted November 23 15 minutes ago, ionel said: Is Oregon St really still a Power 5? The list is from June or July I believe... .
Caveira Posted November 23 Posted November 23 What’s the rationale behind the roster limits? Especially given it looks like it could impact 80% of the teams ???
ionel Posted November 23 Posted November 23 3 minutes ago, Caveira said: What’s the rationale behind the roster limits? Especially given it looks like it could impact 80% of the teams ??? Pretty sure this is part of the lawsuit settlement for then distributing money back out to athletes. Lawsuits have consequences. 1 .
H82Lose Posted November 23 Posted November 23 So, if they do not make the 30, they will move to RTC and pay for their school? IF they want to remain with said school? Obviously, there will not be a lot of kids doing this, but is what what they do if they want to remain on "team"
fatlaz Posted November 23 Author Posted November 23 There was a lot of discussion about this a few months ago, but that discussion just kind of went away. I didn't see any team hand out 20 more scholarships this signing period. Football goes from 85 to 105 scholarships with a roster limit of 105, so no walkons? This was supposed to be for next season which should affect this signing period.
1032004 Posted November 23 Posted November 23 3 hours ago, fatlaz said: How many teams would finance 30 full scholarships? I’d be shocked if it was more than 2, and wouldn’t be surprised if it is zero
MPhillips Posted November 23 Posted November 23 Isn't it actually the revenue sharing money financing the scholarships and not the teams? .
CHROMEBIRD Posted November 23 Posted November 23 4 hours ago, H82Lose said: So, if they do not make the 30, they will move to RTC and pay for their school? IF they want to remain with said school? Obviously, there will not be a lot of kids doing this, but is what what they do if they want to remain on "team" Making the 30 doesn't mean you're getting any money from the school. Most won't. It just means you can be a part of the team. The loophole is that they could just move to the RTC, but since we're talking most third stringers and walk-ons it's more likely that they'll leave the sport, sadly.
H82Lose Posted November 24 Posted November 24 17 hours ago, CHROMEBIRD said: Making the 30 doesn't mean you're getting any money from the school. Most won't. It just means you can be a part of the team. The loophole is that they could just move to the RTC, but since we're talking most third stringers and walk-ons it's more likely that they'll leave the sport, sadly. There might be some cases, not a lot, but some where the 3rd stringers may transfer somewhere and wrestle. Iowa St. Has 8 kids in 125/133 Terukina moves out, then you have Castillo, Pearson, and Koester entering that group. Grice may transfer out, and I see Frost going up next year...but still you see the depth challenge. I can see having 5 total between those weights? maybe, and I mean maybe 6? But highly doubtful.
Gus Posted November 25 Posted November 25 On 11/24/2024 at 9:05 AM, H82Lose said: There might be some cases, not a lot, but some where the 3rd stringers may transfer somewhere and wrestle. Iowa St. Has 8 kids in 125/133 Terukina moves out, then you have Castillo, Pearson, and Koester entering that group. Grice may transfer out, and I see Frost going up next year...but still you see the depth challenge. I can see having 5 total between those weights? maybe, and I mean maybe 6? But highly doubtful. With a roster size of 30, you could be 3 deep at every weight class so 6 total guys between 125/133 would be pretty standard. 8+ would be excessive.
H82Lose Posted November 25 Posted November 25 18 minutes ago, Gus said: With a roster size of 30, you could be 3 deep at every weight class so 6 total guys between 125/133 would be pretty standard. 8+ would be excessive. Yes sir...I agree.
Idaho Posted November 25 Posted November 25 Most schools with large rosters have already started trimming. Oregon State was the largest at 43, is now down to 36. With the number going out and the number coming in next year they will have a little room to add a transfer if needed. Very doubtful coaches will try to hide a 4th string guy at the RTC. There are a lot of guys on D1 rosters who will never get close to staring that could and should go to D2 or NAIA and start. Time for some kids and parents to get a little more realistic about post HS wrestling. Sponsored by INTERMAT
CHROMEBIRD Posted November 25 Posted November 25 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Idaho said: Most schools with large rosters have already started trimming. Oregon State was the largest at 43, is now down to 36. With the number going out and the number coming in next year they will have a little room to add a transfer if needed. Very doubtful coaches will try to hide a 4th string guy at the RTC. There are a lot of guys on D1 rosters who will never get close to staring that could and should go to D2 or NAIA and start. Time for some kids and parents to get a little more realistic about post HS wrestling. I agree with most of this, though I can see a coach stashing a 4th stringer or walk-on in the RTC. It doesn't really cost them anything, and why not have a scrappy kid with a chip on his shoulder in the room? Nick Saban makes a good point about the value of walk-ons: "To not be able to offer those opportunities to guys I think is very unfortunate. I hate it because those are the kind of guys you want on your team. They're motivated the right way, they're working hard every day, they're trying to prove something and not to be able to give them the opportunity to do that is something I don't think is good for college sports." Realistically though, I think those guys will either quit the sport or move to a smaller program or conference where they might actually get some sort of tangible benefit by officially being on the team. Edited November 25 by CHROMEBIRD
Idaho Posted November 26 Posted November 26 2 hours ago, CHROMEBIRD said: I agree with most of this, though I can see a coach stashing a 4th stringer or walk-on in the RTC. It doesn't really cost them anything, and why not have a scrappy kid with a chip on his shoulder in the room? Nick Saban makes a good point about the value of walk-ons: "To not be able to offer those opportunities to guys I think is very unfortunate. I hate it because those are the kind of guys you want on your team. They're motivated the right way, they're working hard every day, they're trying to prove something and not to be able to give them the opportunity to do that is something I don't think is good for college sports." Realistically though, I think those guys will either quit the sport or move to a smaller program or conference where they might actually get some sort of tangible benefit by officially being on the team. Nobody knows yet how this will be enforced. It will be interesting to see how this plays out in regards to the RTC. The last thing you want is liability for guys practicing with the team who are not rostered members. The best bet for those guys would be to move to a smaller division and see if they can transfer and get a rostered spot after a year. it will also be interesting to see how this impacts all levels of wrestling. Sponsored by INTERMAT
1032004 Posted November 28 Posted November 28 On 11/25/2024 at 7:44 PM, Idaho said: Nobody knows yet how this will be enforced. It will be interesting to see how this plays out in regards to the RTC. The last thing you want is liability for guys practicing with the team who are not rostered members. The best bet for those guys would be to move to a smaller division and see if they can transfer and get a rostered spot after a year. it will also be interesting to see how this impacts all levels of wrestling. My understanding is that the RTC is a completely separate practice
1032004 Posted November 28 Posted November 28 On 11/25/2024 at 10:39 AM, Gus said: With a roster size of 30, you could be 3 deep at every weight class so 6 total guys between 125/133 would be pretty standard. 8+ would be excessive. But there’s also a decent chance they might not be 3 deep at 197 and/or 285… 1
Idaho Posted November 29 Posted November 29 On 11/28/2024 at 5:19 AM, 1032004 said: My understanding is that the RTC is a completely separate practice It is … which further questions why you would hide a guy at an RTC to maybe have a workout partner that is training for Greco or freestyle. Sponsored by INTERMAT
ionel Posted November 30 Posted November 30 1 hour ago, Idaho said: It is … which further questions why you would hide a guy at an RTC to maybe have a workout partner that is training for Greco or freestyle. Because you have no room for another team coach. .
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