Ok State vs Oregon State

[Idaho]

14 hours ago, ionel said:

Renteria went to Illinois from Clovis believe Adam T coach.  Was impressed with him there disappointed he left.  Kid's got game.  

He struggled big time at Illinois - 5-19 across two seasons. He has had a resurgence at OSU. 

On another note, had no idea you were at the match. Were you just there to catch OSUe? 

[Idaho]

11 hours ago, poke1 said:

Anyone notice the background music playing during the whole match?  That was different!  Anyway Spratley had two tough matches this weekend and its only going to get tougher next weekend when has #2 Volk Friday night and #1 Fig on Sunday.  Getting battle tested early in the season.  Hopefully it will make him super tough come March!

wOSU started doing this last season. I really like the music  instead of the silence with the random drunk guy yelling.  I think a few other schools are doing this as well. 

[Gus]

8 hours ago, RawDog said:

Can okie state beat Iowa?

They will be favored in 5 out of 10 weight classes by my count. 125, 141, 174, 184, 285. 

[Truzzcat]

14 hours ago, flyingcement said:

Best parts of this dual for me were:

125 was way closer than I thought it would be.  Renteria from Oregon State is long and wiry for the weight, he also has the self confidence it takes to succeed (he doesn't back down).  This one went to Spratley in sudden victory, but Renteria was pretty close.  In fact, both of Spratley's takedowns in the match came as reattacks on Renteria's shots (of which he did not take many committed ones).  

157 with Stiles over Travis in sudden victory

197 with Surber upsetting and blanking Munoz

Renteria could AA this year he was undefeated last year (small sample) but he did beat Richie figs in Febuary which I think is notable because we all know what Richie did in March. That said spratley has had two nail biters which is more on brand for what he did last year than what I had hoped for this year.

[Gus]

2 minutes ago, Truzzcat said:

Renteria could AA this year he was undefeated last year (small sample) but he did beat Richie figs in Febuary which I think is notable because we all know what Richie did in March. That said spratley has had two nail biters which is more on brand for what he did last year than what I had hoped for this year.

I kept on hearing how Sprately has jumped level over the summer. Either everyone else has also jumped levels or Sprately appears to be pretty much the same guy he was last year. 

[ionel]

17 minutes ago, Idaho said:

He struggled big time at Illinois - 5-19 across two seasons. He has had a resurgence at wOSU. 

On another note, had no idea you were at the match. Were you just there to catch OSU? 

He struggled win/loss there but I always thought his style of wrestling needed a little more time and would have success.  

Went to Utah V Friday night then flew to Portland to see my son and we drove down to just to catch OSU. 

[charmon55]

50 minutes ago, poke1 said:

Hughes beats Witcraft everyday in the room.  Hughes even beats Jamison up at 141, that's why he wanted to go up to 141 because it would be an easier weight cut since he can beat Jamison,  but I believe Coach wants Hughes at 133 because it fills in the hole OSU would have if Hughes moves up.  Witcraft has always been a "fill in" kind of guy.  He's good but he's not going to AA.

Where did you see that Hughes is beating Jamison? I heard Hughes barely beat Burton in the wrestle-off but I don't know how reliable that source was.

[VakAttack]

3 hours ago, Gus said:

They will be favored in 5 out of 10 weight classes by my count. 125, 141, 174, 184, 285. 

Who is more likely to pick off a weight where the other team is favored?

125:  Can Peterson beat Spratley?  Possible, but unlikely.

133:  I don't see a realistic shot for Okie State here against Ayala.

141:  Ryder Block over Jamison?  Again possible if Block improves throughout, not abnormal for a freshman, but unlikely.

149:  Can Carter Young beat Parco?  Possible but I think this is unlikely.

157:  Travis over Teemer?  I don't think so.

165:  Amine over Caliendo?  Very possible, maybe the most likely upset pick.

174:  Brands over Hamiti?  This version of Brands seems like no shot.  An interesting stylistic match up.  Probably this is the next best shot at an upset IF Brands returns to form.

184:  Arnold over Plott?  No shot.

197:  Surber over Buchanan?  I don't think so.

285:  Kueter over Hendrickson?  Don't think so.

 

 

I would say Iowa has more spots where they can pick off an upset, but Okie State has the most likely "upset" at 165.

 

Next question is bonus points.  We could see bonus for Okie State at 125, 141, 174, and 285.  We could see bonus points for Iowa at 133, 149, 157, and 197.  I think Okie State's guys are more likely to pick up bonus.

 

So, in essence it could be a real barn burner.

Edited November 18 by VakAttack

[ionel]

4 minutes ago, VakAttack said:

Who is more likely to pick off a weight where the other team is favored?

125:  Can Peterson beat Spratley?  Possible, but unlikely.

133:  I don't see a realistic shot for Okie State here against Ayala.

141:  Ryder Block over Jamison?  Again possible if Block improves throughout, not abnormal for a freshman, but unlikely.

149:  Can Carter Young beat Parco?  Possible but I think this is unlikely.

157:  Travis over Teemer?  I don't think so.

165:  Amine over Caliendo?  Very possible, maybe the most likely upset pick.

174:  Brands over Hamiti?  This version of Brands seems like no shot.  An interesting stylistic match up.  Probably this is the next best shot at an upset.

184:  Arnold over Plott?  No shot.

197:  Surber over Buchanan?  I don't think so.

285:  Kueter over Hendrickson?  Don't think so.

 

 

I would say Iowa has more spots where they can pick off an upset, but Okie State has the most likely "upset" at 165.

 

And the dual is in CHA so advantage Iowa.  It's not that refs are necessarily making 'homer calls' but as we saw this weekend at Utah V and wOSU by being a little slow on calling the takedown or not recognizing the locked hands can decide a very close match.  

[Truzzcat]

17 minutes ago, VakAttack said:

Who is more likely to pick off a weight where the other team is favored?

125:  Can Peterson beat Spratley?  Possible, but unlikely.

133:  I don't see a realistic shot for Okie State here against Ayala.

141:  Ryder Block over Jamison?  Again possible if Block improves throughout, not abnormal for a freshman, but unlikely.

149:  Can Carter Young beat Parco?  Possible but I think this is unlikely.

157:  Travis over Teemer?  I don't think so.

165:  Amine over Caliendo?  Very possible, maybe the most likely upset pick.

174:  Brands over Hamiti?  This version of Brands seems like no shot.  An interesting stylistic match up.  Probably this is the next best shot at an upset IF Brands returns to form.

184:  Arnold over Plott?  No shot.

197:  Surber over Buchanan?  I don't think so.

285:  Kueter over Hendrickson?  Don't think so.

 

 

I would say Iowa has more spots where they can pick off an upset, but Okie State has the most likely "upset" at 165.

 

Next question is bonus points.  We could see bonus for Okie State at 125, 141, 174, and 285.  We could see bonus points for Iowa at 133, 149, 157, and 197.  I think Okie State's guys are more likely to pick up bonus.

 

So, in essence it could be a real barn burner.

I would definitely favor Okie state on the potential upset side. Tagen just looked awesome against a guy Block probably should have lost to so I'll use the transitive property to remove that match. I think Hughes if he manages the cut can beat Drake, Drake seems like a tweener between 125 and 133 and Hughes is massive. I dont give Young or Travis a shot at least for the time being Young has looked good but parco has looked great. I'd say the next likeliest upset for me may be surber over Buch? Both guys have looked great in a small sample.

[Gus]

24 minutes ago, Truzzcat said:

I would definitely favor Okie state on the potential upset side. Tagen just looked awesome against a guy Block probably should have lost to so I'll use the transitive property to remove that match. I think Hughes if he manages the cut can beat Drake, Drake seems like a tweener between 125 and 133 and Hughes is massive. I dont give Young or Travis a shot at least for the time being Young has looked good but parco has looked great. I'd say the next likeliest upset for me may be surber over Buch? Both guys have looked great in a small sample.

I agree that 165 would be the most likely upset. They wrestled twice last year and both matches went to OT with Caliendo winning both. I would expect Caliendo to win those one again but the margin is very thin. This match will be second semester in CHA so that should be factored in. We will know a lot more about the cut for Block, Hughes and Jamison as the season goes on. Last season the second semester was very rough on Jamison and he was just not the same guy. Will we see the younger wrestlers make leaps as the season progresses? Each team has some younger wrestlers that could continue to improve. For Iowa; Kale Peterson, Ryder Block, Gabe Arnold, Ben Kueter. For OKState; Troy Sprately, Cael Hughes, Tagen Jamison. Will any of the true freshman come into play? Angelo Ferrari and Cody Merrill come to mind. It will be a tight dual. 

[VakAttack]

45 minutes ago, Truzzcat said:

I would definitely favor Okie state on the potential upset side. Tagen just looked awesome against a guy Block probably should have lost to so I'll use the transitive property to remove that match. I think Hughes if he manages the cut can beat Drake, Drake seems like a tweener between 125 and 133 and Hughes is massive. I dont give Young or Travis a shot at least for the time being Young has looked good but parco has looked great. I'd say the next likeliest upset for me may be surber over Buch? Both guys have looked great in a small sample.

Yeah, but Block (and Peterson) are freshmen.  Big gains as the year goes on is far from abnormal.  I don't see it at all with Hughes and Ayala.

[poke1]

4 hours ago, charmon55 said:

Where did you see that Hughes is beating Jamison? I heard Hughes barely beat Burton in the wrestle-off but I don't know how reliable that source was.

My son's roommate is one of the trainers so he keeps in the know of what's going on in the wrestling room.  It makes sense to me that Hughes is beating him.  Afterall, Hughes is our only kid in the room that went undefeated in High School like Fix did.

[Idaho]

6 hours ago, ionel said:

He struggled win/loss there but I always thought his style of wrestling needed a little more time and would have success.  

Went to Utah V Friday night then flew to Portland to see my son and we drove down to just to catch OSU. 

Are you  following the Pokes around in an orange VW bus to each match? 

[Idaho]

1 hour ago, poke1 said:

My son's roommate is one of the trainers so he keeps in the know of what's going on in the wrestling room.  It makes sense to me that Hughes is beating him.  Afterall, Hughes is our only kid in the room that went undefeated in High School like Fix did.

I don't disagree that Hughes could be beating Jamison....but being undefeated in high school isn't really the best argument. 

 

[1032004]

16 hours ago, VakAttack said:

Who is more likely to pick off a weight where the other team is favored?

125:  Can Peterson beat Spratley?  Possible, but unlikely.

133:  I don't see a realistic shot for Okie State here against Ayala.

141:  Ryder Block over Jamison?  Again possible if Block improves throughout, not abnormal for a freshman, but unlikely.

149:  Can Carter Young beat Parco?  Possible but I think this is unlikely.

157:  Travis over Teemer?  I don't think so.

165:  Amine over Caliendo?  Very possible, maybe the most likely upset pick.

174:  Brands over Hamiti?  This version of Brands seems like no shot.  An interesting stylistic match up.  Probably this is the next best shot at an upset IF Brands returns to form.

184:  Arnold over Plott?  No shot.

197:  Surber over Buchanan?  I don't think so.

285:  Kueter over Hendrickson?  Don't think so.

 

 

I would say Iowa has more spots where they can pick off an upset, but Okie State has the most likely "upset" at 165.

 

Next question is bonus points.  We could see bonus for Okie State at 125, 141, 174, and 285.  We could see bonus points for Iowa at 133, 149, 157, and 197.  I think Okie State's guys are more likely to pick up bonus.

 

So, in essence it could be a real barn burner.

I wouldn’t rule out Arnold in Carver, especially if it’s true he’s put on weight since last season