everyone vs Japan in 2028?

[Truzzcat]

Kota Takahashi just beat Messenbrink 11-8. He seemed to hurt his knee pretty badly or was super tired at the end he was up 11-4 with about 15 seconds left. Regardless I have not see anyone dispatch Messenbrink in that way since he was in High school. Uww has his age 21 he won the senior asian games this year beating Viktor Rassadin this year who was 5th at the olympics and split with Cherman valiev this year who was bronze at the olympics and beat zhamolov until they called him for evading in the final 4 seconds.

[Interviewed_at_Weehawken]

8 minutes ago, Truzzcat said:

Kota Takahashi just beat Messenbrink 11-8. He seemed to hurt his knee pretty badly or was super tired at the end he was up 11-4 with about 15 seconds left. Regardless I have not see anyone dispatch Messenbrink in that way since he was in High school. Uww has his age 21 he won the senior asian games this year beating Viktor Rassadin this year who was 5th at the olympics and split with Cherman valiev this year who was bronze at the olympics and beat zhamolov until they called him for evading in the final 4 seconds.

Does this mean play wrestling doesn't work and we should wrestle 60+ minutes of live goes at every practice like Japan does? Probably not.  I think we are doing just fine.  There are always improvements to be made, but I don't think we need to overhaul the system.

I know that the original post wasn't making that statement, but that was a familiar refrain in August.

[Takuto_Otoguro]

Mesenbrink wasn't on his level. Carl will be scratching his head over this one

[nhs67]

This guy lived on Mesenbrinks legs and Mesenbrink had no answer for it.

[Gus]

17 minutes ago, Truzzcat said:

Kota Takahashi just beat Messenbrink 11-8. He seemed to hurt his knee pretty badly or was super tired at the end he was up 11-4 with about 15 seconds left. Regardless I have not see anyone dispatch Messenbrink in that way since he was in High school. Uww has his age 21 he won the senior asian games this year beating Viktor Rassadin this year who was 5th at the olympics and split with Cherman valiev this year who was bronze at the olympics and beat zhamolov until they called him for evading in the final 4 seconds.

The first period of the match was kind of weird. Mess is in on a shot looking to score and tie the match and then he hurts his knee. Then after that they are wrestling and they hit mess for a penalty point and I am not sure what for. Takahashi was able to time Mess's forward pressure and drop in on what looked like easy double legs. 

[Gus]

4 minutes ago, Takuto_Otoguro said:

Mesenbrink wasn't on his level. Carl will be scratching his head over this one

One thing that is for certain is that we will not be able to use pace to beat Japanese opponents. They can match our pace. I thought Mess looked like he has filled out a little bit. 

[Truzzcat]

5 minutes ago, Gus said:

The first period of the match was kind of weird. Mess is in on a shot looking to score and tie the match and then he hurts his knee. Then after that they are wrestling and they hit mess for a penalty point and I am not sure what for. Takahashi was able to time Mess's forward pressure and drop in on what looked like easy double legs. 

It was certainly a weird match but it felt like Takahashi could score at will and I do think he was legitimately hurt his knee was at a crazy angle with some rotational force on it when he started screaming. Definitely agree on Mitchell looking filled out. Would like to see him change levels more he seems to be looking for a lot of short offense and not firing as much.

[Interviewed_at_Weehawken]

2 minutes ago, Gus said:

One thing that is for certain is that we will not be able to use pace to beat Japanese opponents. They can match our pace. I thought Mess looked like he has filled out a little bit. 

In a post-Olympic interview with Gable he mentioned that it had come to his attention that a Japanese wrestler who spent a lot of time (like maybe a year?) at the Hawkeye Club in 84-85 may be  one of the top guys in the Japanese wrestling administrative hierarchy now.  This would make sense in sense in the context of a) conditioning/pace and b) the amount of live they are reportedly doing in training.

[pokemonster]

Where can I watch this match?

[Gus]

3 minutes ago, pokemonster said:

Where can I watch this match?

Flo

[Truzzcat]

3 minutes ago, pokemonster said:

Where can I watch this match?

its on flow if you go to floarena just find it in the bracket and click on it

[Gus]

6 minutes ago, Truzzcat said:

It was certainly a weird match but it felt like Takahashi could score at will and I do think he was legitimately hurt his knee was at a crazy angle with some rotational force on it when he started screaming. Definitely agree on Mitchell looking filled out. Would like to see him change levels more he seems to be looking for a lot of short offense and not firing as much.

Takahashi was definitely the better wrestler. The approach this Japanese wrestler took of timing out Mitchells upright forward pressure and just dropping in on shots really did make it look easier. I have always thought that is something that could be exploited in Mess's style but no one in the NCAA has been able to come close to doing what this gent did to Mess. Tak must have some very good handfighting and positioning. I will have to go back and rewatch.

[nhs67]

11 minutes ago, Gus said:

One thing that is for certain is that we will not be able to use pace to beat Japanese opponents. They can match our pace. I thought Mess looked like he has filled out a little bit. 

I agree on Mess filling out.

[Gus]

6 minutes ago, Interviewed_at_Weehawken said:

In a post-Olympic interview with Gable he mentioned that it had come to his attention that a Japanese wrestler who spent a lot of time (like maybe a year?) at the Hawkeye Club in 84-85 may be  one of the top guys in the Japanese wrestling administrative hierarchy now.  This would make sense in sense in the context of a) conditioning/pace and b) the amount of live they are reportedly doing in training.

What everything be circular and wrestling in the USA will go back to saying that we need grinding out tough practices to excel haha. 

[Gus]

1 minute ago, nhs67 said:

I agree on Mess filling out.

He actually has some definition in his arms and such now. 

[nhs67]

6 minutes ago, Gus said:

He actually has some definition in his arms and such now. 

The back differential between him and Takahashi was comical, though.

[bnwtwg]

50 minutes ago, Takuto_Otoguro said:

Mesenbrink wasn't on his level. Carl will be scratching his head over this one

Carl confused, Carr continuously cultivates confidence

[bnwtwg]

35 minutes ago, Gus said:

He actually has some definition in his arms and such now. 

You know what Messinbrink doesn't have? That dog in him.

#justicefornatalie

[Dark Energy]

I watched one of Mess’ prior matches and the fellow was able to get in.  Scrambled with Mess well.  Ran out of steam in second and Mess won.  Felt mess was the better wrestler … but not by much at all.  Might have been vs KAS.

Was surprised - feeling Mess hype is quite high.

[Le duke]

U23s is a lot better than it used to be. There are a lot of legitimate Olympic-level wrestlers now.

Bagaev (86kg) had a good match with Brooks last year. He was their 86 until they decided not to go.


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[Interviewed_at_Weehawken]

5 minutes ago, Le duke said:

U23s is a lot better than it used to be. There are a lot of legitimate Olympic-level wrestlers now.

Bagaev (86kg) had a good match with Brooks last year. He was their 86 until they decided not to go.


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This might be a function of Russia not being at Olympics.  Japan and Iran have always taken age groups seriously as far as I can remember.

[Le duke]

2 hours ago, nhs67 said:

The back differential between him and Takahashi was comical, though.

I commented on the PSU board that, while MM looks thicker than last year, Takahashi and the guy he wrestled in the semis, Asluev, both looked substantially more developed. 

I know MM doesn't like cutting weight but I'm guessing he was giving up 5+ pounds at the time of the match. MM could have easily swapped places with Haines last year; the size difference between him and Hamiti, for example, was comical. 

[Le duke]

1 minute ago, Interviewed_at_Weehawken said:

This might be a function of Russia not being at Olympics.  Japan and Iran have always taken age groups seriously as far as I can remember.

Good point. 

Conversely, I haven't heard of half the guys on the USA roster. Our 125kg guy, Lucas Stoddard, is a West Point cadet who went 0-2 at NCAAs last year. He surprised me today, though, making the semis. 

[nhs67]

18 minutes ago, Le duke said:

I commented on the PSU board that, while MM looks thicker than last year, Takahashi and the guy he wrestled in the semis, Asluev, both looked substantially more developed. 

I know MM doesn't like cutting weight but I'm guessing he was giving up 5+ pounds at the time of the match. MM could have easily swapped places with Haines last year; the size difference between him and Hamiti, for example, was comical. 

Oh, I would wager that he was at least 5lbs lighter as well.  He was considerably less physically developed.

[bnwtwg]

1 hour ago, nhs67 said:

Oh, I would wager that he was at least 5lbs lighter as well.  He was considerably less physically developed.

But does he have triceps?