RegularStalling Posted October 11 Posted October 11 After the departure (poaching) of Parco and Teemer, ASU has a number of ways they can fill out the lineup. My guess? At 141-197 they go Ysaguirre-Vasquez-Larkin-Ruiz-McLane-Aziz-Valencia
WrestlingRash Posted October 11 Posted October 11 They will have their usual 2 or 3 good guys and a mediocre team overall. 1
RegularStalling Posted October 11 Author Posted October 11 (edited) 15 minutes ago, WrestlingRash said: They will have their usual 2 or 3 good guys and a mediocre team overall. Pretty dense statement when the team has had 4-5 AAs every year for the last half decade. Edited October 11 by RegularStalling
Greenwave Posted October 11 Posted October 11 Mediocre team, don’t tell the Brands Brothers. They spent a lot of time down there trying to get wrestlers. 1 3 1
Hammerlock3 Posted October 11 Posted October 11 the way jones coaches has a ceiling. for the most part they recruit athletic guys, and turn them into snakey type guys with overtie shrugs and shots from space that they are way too patient with. I assume the philosophy is something like "we should be coaching at the same tactical level as a world title match", but that means you think of every match as a chess match, limiting action and therefore development, and neglecting the physicality which is more inherent to folk than free. 1 1 2 "Half measures are a coward's form of insanity."
wjd Posted October 11 Posted October 11 36 minutes ago, RegularStalling said: After the departure (poaching) of Parco and Teemer, ASU has a number of ways they can fill out the lineup. My guess? At 141-197 they go Ysaguirre-Vasquez-Larkin-Ruiz-McLane-Aziz-Valencia Wrestlstat has the lineup as 125 - Fig 133 - Cheblove 141 - Vasquez 149 - Ramos 157 - Larkin 165 - Ruiz 174 - Valencia 184 - Fayzullaev 197 - Acciardi 285 - Shultz 197 looks to be the only glaring weakness. 1 champ, 2 total AA's, 6 qualifiers from last year return. It will be interesting to see how Larkin fares. People forget Ruiz was a to 10 recruit who redshirted last year. I beat the PAC 12 champ in one of the matches he did wrestle. The 184 is a wild card as well Asian champ, 2 time JUCO champ. I'd say they have a shot at the top 10 if they stay healthy. 1
RegularStalling Posted October 11 Author Posted October 11 2 minutes ago, Hammerlock3 said: the way jones coaches has a ceiling. for the most part they recruit athletic guys, and turn them into snakey type guys with overtie shrugs and shots from space that they are way too patient with. I assume the philosophy is something like "we should be coaching at the same tactical level as a world title match", but that means you think of every match as a chess match, limiting action and therefore development, and neglecting the physicality which is more inherent to folk than free. I think this is a pretty accurate assessment. That said, I think they are among the best in the country when it comes to developing guys offensive styles and attacks. Although it isn’t pretty, guys like Teemer and Figs have styles that really optimize their strengths. As for the top position, if anything they’ve made guys worse. I can count on one hand how many riding time points they’ve scored in close matches during Zeke’s tenure.
RegularStalling Posted October 11 Author Posted October 11 6 minutes ago, wjd said: Wrestlstat has the lineup as 125 - Fig 133 - Cheblove 141 - Vasquez 149 - Ramos 157 - Larkin 165 - Ruiz 174 - Valencia 184 - Fayzullaev 197 - Acciardi 285 - Shultz 197 looks to be the only glaring weakness. 1 champ, 2 total AA's, 6 qualifiers from last year return. It will be interesting to see how Larkin fares. People forget Ruiz was a to 10 recruit who redshirted last year. I beat the PAC 12 champ in one of the matches he did wrestle. The 184 is a wild card as well Asian champ, 2 time JUCO champ. I'd say they have a shot at the top 10 if they stay healthy. Vasquez & Larkin are listed at 149 on the updated roster, which I find interesting.
RegularStalling Posted October 11 Author Posted October 11 16 minutes ago, Greenwave said: Mediocre team, don’t tell the Brands Brothers. They spent a lot of time down there trying to get wrestlers. What does that make the 70ish teams that are worse than them?
nhs67 Posted October 11 Posted October 11 13 minutes ago, RegularStalling said: What does that make the 70ish teams that are worse than them? For a team that wants a trophy (or better) every season, they have been subpar. "I know actually nothing. It isn't even conjecture at this point." - me
nhs67 Posted October 11 Posted October 11 I want: 125 - Figs 133 - Chlebove 141 - Vasquez 149 - Manville 157 - Larkin 165 - Ruiz 174 - Manville 184 - Valencia 197 - <INSERT BODY> 285 - Schultzy "I know actually nothing. It isn't even conjecture at this point." - me
Hammerlock3 Posted October 12 Posted October 12 1 hour ago, RegularStalling said: I think this is a pretty accurate assessment. That said, I think they are among the best in the country when it comes to developing guys offensive styles and attacks. Although it isn’t pretty, guys like Teemer and Figs have styles that really optimize their strengths. As for the top position, if anything they’ve made guys worse. I can count on one hand how many riding time points they’ve scored in close matches during Zeke’s tenure. I think they optimize really well, but at the expense of shrinking the style in general. Teemer at Iowa might be interesting. Iowa is a very different dynamic. All the holes seem plugged, solid everywhere, everyone is a pretty difficult out.....all the elite skills seem to have been their in high school. "Half measures are a coward's form of insanity."
flyingcement Posted October 12 Posted October 12 125: Figueroa 133: Chlebove 141: Ysaguirre 149: Vasquez 157: Larkin 165: Ruiz 174: Valencia 184: Fayzullaev 197: Acciardi 285: Schultz
RegularStalling Posted October 12 Author Posted October 12 1 hour ago, nhs67 said: For a team that wants a trophy (or better) every season, they have been subpar. They’ve won two trophy’s in the last 4 years and placed 7th and 6th the other two years.
RegularStalling Posted October 12 Author Posted October 12 15 minutes ago, flyingcement said: 125: Figueroa 133: Chlebove 141: Ysaguirre 149: Vasquez 157: Larkin 165: Ruiz 174: Valencia 184: Fayzullaev 197: Acciardi 285: Schultz I like it. Although it’s disappointing when you figure they had a top 3ish ceiling less than two months ago, this is a fun dual team with a top 10 ceiling. They have Valencia listed at 184, but I really wish they’d just let bulk to 197 and see what happens. 1
Hammerlock3 Posted October 12 Posted October 12 27 minutes ago, flyingcement said: 125: Figueroa 133: Chlebove 141: Ysaguirre 149: Vasquez 157: Larkin 165: Ruiz 174: Valencia 184: Fayzullaev 197: Acciardi 285: Schultz Schultz? Again?! 1 2 "Half measures are a coward's form of insanity."
flyingcement Posted October 12 Posted October 12 56 minutes ago, RegularStalling said: I like it. Although it’s disappointing when you figure they had a top 3ish ceiling less than two months ago, this is a fun dual team with a top 10 ceiling. They have Valencia listed at 184, but I really wish they’d just let bulk to 197 and see what happens. Maybe then 165 through 197 could look like this: McClane, Ruiz, Fayzullaev, Valencia.
nhs67 Posted October 12 Posted October 12 1 hour ago, RegularStalling said: They’ve won two trophy’s in the last 4 years and placed 7th and 6th the other two years. Under Zeke: 2024 - 6th 2023 - 7th 2022 - 4th 2021 -4th 2019 - 12th 2018 - 10th 2017 - 14th 2016 - 36th 2015 - 29th Again, for a team that expects a trophy every year, they have been subpar as a whole. Since 2004 they have averaged 15th place. "I know actually nothing. It isn't even conjecture at this point." - me
RegularStalling Posted October 12 Author Posted October 12 24 minutes ago, nhs67 said: Under Zeke: 2024 - 6th 2023 - 7th 2022 - 4th 2021 -4th 2019 - 12th 2018 - 10th 2017 - 14th 2016 - 36th 2015 - 29th Again, for a team that expects a trophy every year, they have been subpar as a whole. Since 2004 they have averaged 15th place. If you’re trolling, you’re doing an excellent job. If you hold Zeke accountable for the first handful of years, I don’t know what to tell you. He is far from perfect, but downplaying a non traditional power that’s finished in the top 10 five out of the last six tournaments is the elitist bullshit that holds this sport back. 1
nhs67 Posted October 12 Posted October 12 7 hours ago, RegularStalling said: If you’re trolling, you’re doing an excellent job. If you hold Zeke accountable for the first handful of years, I don’t know what to tell you. He is far from perfect, but downplaying a non traditional power that’s finished in the top 10 five out of the last six tournaments is the elitist bullshit that holds this sport back. I am not trolling, i am being contrarian. I have no horse in the race. I also thought the term 'mediocre' was aptly used since we are, in fact, talking about a program that strives and is expected to compete for a trophy every year. When they don't achieve that far more often than they do, that is subpar. The actual definition of subpar is 'below standard.' The definition fits. Zeke nor anyone else within the program will tell you that anything better than 36th place is acceptable, or on par. Elitist is absolute shit word usage and ignorant as hell to use. This is a ***ducking** BBS. Toughen up and don't let words hurt you. "I know actually nothing. It isn't even conjecture at this point." - me
1032004 Posted October 12 Posted October 12 12 hours ago, nhs67 said: I want: 125 - Figs 133 - Chlebove 141 - Vasquez 149 - Manville 157 - Larkin 165 - Ruiz 174 - Manville 184 - Valencia 197 - <INSERT BODY> 285 - Schultzy The second Manville isn’t Mason is it? Surely he can’t have any eligibility left 1
juniorvarsity Posted October 12 Posted October 12 What did Kaleb Larkin do in 2023? He graduated in 2022 and will be a redshirt freshman this coming season.
nhs67 Posted October 12 Posted October 12 First off, I apologize @RegularStalling. I was an asshat there and I owe you an apology for being such. 2 hours ago, 1032004 said: The second Manville isn’t Mason is it? Surely he can’t have any eligibility left I do and he does. He was a former MGR World Teamer, so he had Oly-Shirt eligibility last year. Key was that is what I want, I know nothing on his physical location, size, or mental state. 1 hour ago, juniorvarsity said: What did Kaleb Larkin do in 2023? He graduated in 2022 and will be a redshirt freshman this coming season. He did the 'old' Ivy League Greyshirt. Deferred enrollment while he strictly trained for a year. "I know actually nothing. It isn't even conjecture at this point." - me
Caveira Posted October 12 Posted October 12 18 hours ago, RegularStalling said: After the departure (poaching) of Parco and Teemer, ASU has a number of ways they can fill out the lineup. My guess? At 141-197 they go Ysaguirre-Vasquez-Larkin-Ruiz-McLane-Aziz-Valencia Graduate transfers are poaching? meh.
RegularStalling Posted October 12 Author Posted October 12 2 hours ago, Caveira said: Graduate transfers are poaching? meh. Grad transfers that leave without influence aren’t. Not the case here.
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