Meanwhile in Israel….

[uncle bernard]

This is the country you blindly defend. Soldiers in mutiny because they think they should be allowed to rape and torture prisoners. 

 

[uncle bernard]

 

[uncle bernard]

 

[uncle bernard]

Looking forward to the usual crew who condemn Hamas as barbaric, condemning this barbarism too…I won’t hold my breath.

@Bigbrog is not allowing Israeli soldiers to rape and torture prisoners anti-semitism? 

 

[Bigbrog]

23 minutes ago, uncle bernard said:

Looking forward to the usual crew who condemn Hamas as barbaric, condemning this barbarism too…I won’t hold my breath.

@Bigbrog is not allowing Israeli soldiers to rape and torture prisoners anti-semitism? 

 

IF....and that is a big IF...any of these reports are true and this goes against Israel's protocol for interrogating prisoners then whomever did it should be held accountable.  However, that does not mean that overall, Israel is in the wrong for the war, that still does and always will fall at the feet of Humas.  Nice try at trying to push attention away from the ultimate barbarians and those responsible for the war...humas!  But wouldn't expect anything less from a supporter like you,

[uncle bernard]

54 minutes ago, Bigbrog said:

IF....and that is a big IF...any of these reports are true and this goes against Israel's protocol for interrogating prisoners then whomever did it should be held accountable.  However, that does not mean that overall, Israel is in the wrong for the war, that still does and always will fall at the feet of Humas.  Nice try at trying to push attention away from the ultimate barbarians and those responsible for the war...humas!  But wouldn't expect anything less from a supporter like you,

I'm sorry, rape and torture would be okay as long as it doesn't go against Israel's protocols? 

[Scouts Honor]

in another post i was asked why i believe a post on twitter.

i wonder why you believe anything in support of hamas 

[Scouts Honor]

if this is real... as im finding it might be

good. put the screws to them

 

still doesn't excuse 10/7

[uncle bernard]

2 hours ago, Scouts Honor said:

in another post i was asked why i believe a post on twitter.

i wonder why you believe anything in support of hamas 

this reporting has nothing to do with hamas. but it’s exactly this kind of thing that empowers hamas and brings people to its cause.

this is the result of 75 years of telling their own citizens that palestinians aren’t human. israel’s civil society is in a very dangerous place right now. 

and much the same can be said for the other side, the way palestinians have been trained to hate Israelis. that’s why we need a different approach long term if this is going to get any better.

 

Edited July 29 by uncle bernard

[billyhoyle]

2 hours ago, uncle bernard said:

this reporting has nothing to do with hamas. but it’s exactly this kind of thing that empowers hamas and brings people to its cause.

this is the result of 75 years of telling their own citizens that palestinians aren’t human. israel’s civil society is in a very dangerous place right now. 

and much the same can be said for the other side, the way palestinians have been trained to hate Israelis. that’s why we need a different approach long term if this is going to get any better.

 

So the far right protests are in the wrong and the Israeli government is doing the right thing in investigating the alleged abuse.  I'm not sure what you are trying to prove. The U.S. has had cases of abuse of power in every war-something that separates us from terrorists (or the Russian military) is actually being opposed to it and investigating/prosecuting those who commit it. So if Israel is doing the same thing, that is a good thing. 

Edited July 30 by billyhoyle

[Scouts Honor]

2 hours ago, uncle bernard said:

 

this is the result of 75 years of telling palestinians that isreali's aren’t human.

 

 

 

[RockLobster]

8 hours ago, Scouts Honor said:

still doesn't excuse 10/7

I'd tend to agree with you.

But you've been posting like such a hateful dipshit so much lately. Yes, in particular, toward me for no valid reason. 

You're completely untrustworthy and post like POS with a broken compass.

I agree with the Israeli cause, but I don't agree that it excuses you from posting like a complete nonstop a**hole.

If you'd like to be part of joining US citizens with Israel support... as I do... get your shit together. Put a collar on that mindless hate.

Edited July 30 by RockLobster

[uncle bernard]

the perfect metaphor

 

[red viking]

We should have nothing to do with this country. Netanyahoo is a psychopath with no regard for the lives of innocent civilians. The barbarism would be much, much worse if he wasn't under international pressure to keep his eye on military targets. 

We should tell Israel that they are on their own. If their people want to move to the U.S., go ahead. but we will not support their genocide and barbarism any longer. 

We made a mistake by designating this land to a specific religion/ethnicity in 1948 in the first place. It was a kneejerk over-reaction to the Holocaust. We made a mistake and should cut our losses ASAP. This region will NEVER have peace now (particularly since Israel has taken even more land by force than was originally given to them in 1948) without a two state solution (that is proportional to the original populations in that area in 1948) or a complete elimination of the Jews or Arabs (that would be the most horrible) in that region. 

[Bigbrog]

21 hours ago, uncle bernard said:

I'm sorry, rape and torture would be okay as long as it doesn't go against Israel's protocols? 

That is what you got out of my post??  LOL  Seriously, take the terrorist loving sunglasses off.  

[Scouts Honor]

12 hours ago, RockLobster said:

 

 Yes, in particular, toward me for no valid reason. 

 

lol

[uncle bernard]

20 minutes ago, Bigbrog said:

That is what you got out of my post??  LOL  Seriously, take the terrorist loving sunglasses off.  

You literally said that.

"IF...any of these reports are true and this goes against Israel's protocol for interrogating prisoners"

[Scouts Honor]

12 hours ago, RockLobster said:

I'd tend to agree with you.

But you've been posting like such a hateful dipshit so much lately. Yes, in particular, toward me for no valid reason. 

You're completely untrustworthy and post like POS with a broken compass.

I agree with the Israeli cause, but I don't agree that it excuses you from posting like a complete nonstop a**hole.

If you'd like to be part of joining US citizens with Israel support... as I do... get your shit together. Put a collar on that mindless hate.

you wanted a fresh start... then continued to act like a tool

[Scouts Honor]

22 hours ago, uncle bernard said:

I'm sorry, rape and torture would be okay as long as it doesn't go against Israel's protocols? 

now do abortion

[Bigbrog]

5 minutes ago, uncle bernard said:

You literally said that.

"IF...any of these reports are true and this goes against Israel's protocol for interrogating prisoners"

Man you are dense...if they aren't supposed to be doing those things and IF they are in fact doing them, they should be held accountable....PERIOD!!  What part of that don't you get??  How is me saying that so "controversial"??  Or do you just want to argue to argue...if so, at least just admit it.

[uncle bernard]

15 minutes ago, Bigbrog said:

Man you are dense...if they aren't supposed to be doing those things and IF they are in fact doing them, they should be held accountable....PERIOD!!  What part of that don't you get??  How is me saying that so "controversial"??  Or do you just want to argue to argue...if so, at least just admit it.

So, if they *are* supposed to be doing them (gang-rape in this case), then they shouldn't be held accountable? 

This was, and I mean 100% literally, the Nazi defense at Nuremberg. "I was just following orders."

 

[Scouts Honor]

gang rape and stoning etc are supposed to be done in some cultures

[Bigbrog]

21 minutes ago, uncle bernard said:

So, if they *are* supposed to be doing them (gang-rape in this case), then they shouldn't be held accountable? 

This was, and I mean 100% literally, the Nazi defense at Nuremberg. "I was just following orders."

 

So you just want to argue...got it.  If you honestly think I, or anyone is saying that than you have the mental capability of a gnat.

[uncle bernard]

46 minutes ago, Bigbrog said:

So you just want to argue...got it.  If you honestly think I, or anyone is saying that than you have the mental capability of a gnat.

Buddy, you literally said it. That's how English works. 

To quote you: 

"IF....and that is a big IF...any of these reports are true AND [my emphasis] this goes against Israel's protocol for interrogating prisoners..." 

That's what you wrote. Words have meaning.

But maybe you just don't understand English, so I'll give you a straightforward chance to clarify:

If these soldiers were ordered to rape the prisoners by their superiors, should they still be punished? 

[Bigbrog]

13 minutes ago, uncle bernard said:

Buddy, you literally said it. That's how English works. 

To quote you: 

"IF....and that is a big IF...any of these reports are true AND [my emphasis] this goes against Israel's protocol for interrogating prisoners..." 

That's what you wrote. Words have meaning.

But maybe you just don't understand English, so I'll give you a straightforward chance to clarify:

If these soldiers were ordered to rape the prisoners by their superiors, should they still be punished? 

LOL...what do you think the answer is??

By the way...Humas is still responsible for this war