poke1 Posted June 13 Posted June 13 Can any of you ISU fans give me some insight on what's going on with these two weights? I'm not an ISU guy but I do like watching Casey Swiderski, admire his motor! He's a true Hammer and its strange not seeing him in the pre-season rankings. Looks like they have bumped up Anthony Echemendia at 149 in place of Swiderski. Does anyone have any news that I'm not aware of ?? 1
nhs67 Posted June 13 Posted June 13 I think Wrestlestat nails what their lineup is going to look like, as of now. 125 - K. Terukina 133 - E. Frost 141 - J. Frost 149 - A. Echemendia 157 - P. Johnson 165 - C. Euton 174 - M. Gaitan 184 - T. Naaktgeboren 197 - E. Bockman 285 - Y. Bastida As far as 141 goes, I think you see Z. Redding push J. Frost for the spot, even spot starting through the season, but we should see similar success from Jacob as we did his twin down at 133lbs last season. I expect Jacob to separate himself and establish himself as a low AA contender as the season progresses. Speaking of Z. Redding, he could also give A. Echemendia a run for his money at 149lbs. I anticipate C. Swiderski will also challenge for the spot at 149lbs. My money is on him, but Echemendia did win the spot last year before descending down to 141lbs. Whether or not Swiderski does win the spot at 149lbs and opts to avoid using his Redshirt until if he gets hurt (which is a wonderful option) late down the line, I do anticipate Swiderski to throw his hat in wherever he can. The same should be said for Echemendia. What I mean by that is that IF Swiderski wants to wrestle and does not 'earn' the 149lb spot, I think it an option or within the realm of possibility that if Euton struggles (which I think he will) that we see Swiderski attempt to give 165lbs a go. At 157lbs, I see a similar scenario between P. Johnson and C. Chittum. That is, if Chittum does not wish to Redshirt. The same could also be said for the loser there giving 165lbs a go. We could legitimately see the loser of A. Echemendia - C. Swiderski at 149lbs and P. Johnson - C. Chittum at 157lbs wrestle-off for the 165lb spot. I had high hopes that we would see M. Rojas enter the conversation at 165lbs but with the results we saw from him last year, I don't think he does, unfortunately. That said, if he is serious about being a D1 wrestler, he will try to throw his hat in the ring at 165lbs as well. That last dynamic is interesting to me in that Rojas and Swiderski wrestled for Michigan powerhouse schools (Detroit Catholic - Amines, Gilchers and Dundee - Davis, Buell) and their senior seasons wrestled as low as 138lbs (Swiderski) and as high as 215lbs (Rojas) before settling at 152lbs and 189lbs, respectively. Of note, both did wrestle up for team purposes nearly their entire careers. 2 "I know actually nothing. It isn't even conjecture at this point." - me
Gus Posted June 13 Posted June 13 2 hours ago, nhs67 said: I think Wrestlestat nails what their lineup is going to look like, as of now. 125 - K. Terukina 133 - E. Frost 141 - J. Frost 149 - A. Echemendia 157 - P. Johnson 165 - C. Euton 174 - M. Gaitan 184 - T. Naaktgeboren 197 - E. Bockman 285 - Y. Bastida As far as 141 goes, I think you see Z. Redding push J. Frost for the spot, even spot starting through the season, but we should see similar success from Jacob as we did his twin down at 133lbs last season. I expect Jacob to separate himself and establish himself as a low AA contender as the season progresses. Speaking of Z. Redding, he could also give A. Echemendia a run for his money at 149lbs. I anticipate C. Swiderski will also challenge for the spot at 149lbs. My money is on him, but Echemendia did win the spot last year before descending down to 141lbs. Whether or not Swiderski does win the spot at 149lbs and opts to avoid using his Redshirt until if he gets hurt (which is a wonderful option) late down the line, I do anticipate Swiderski to throw his hat in wherever he can. The same should be said for Echemendia. What I mean by that is that IF Swiderski wants to wrestle and does not 'earn' the 149lb spot, I think it an option or within the realm of possibility that if Euton struggles (which I think he will) that we see Swiderski attempt to give 165lbs a go. At 157lbs, I see a similar scenario between P. Johnson and C. Chittum. That is, if Chittum does not wish to Redshirt. The same could also be said for the loser there giving 165lbs a go. We could legitimately see the loser of A. Echemendia - C. Swiderski at 149lbs and P. Johnson - C. Chittum at 157lbs wrestle-off for the 165lb spot. I had high hopes that we would see M. Rojas enter the conversation at 165lbs but with the results we saw from him last year, I don't think he does, unfortunately. That said, if he is serious about being a D1 wrestler, he will try to throw his hat in the ring at 165lbs as well. That last dynamic is interesting to me in that Rojas and Swiderski wrestled for Michigan powerhouse schools (Detroit Catholic - Amines, Gilchers and Dundee - Davis, Buell) and their senior seasons wrestled as low as 138lbs (Swiderski) and as high as 215lbs (Rojas) before settling at 152lbs and 189lbs, respectively. Of note, both did wrestle up for team purposes nearly their entire careers. I think Redding wins the 141 spot. Jacob Frost would need to take a major step forward to be considered on Redding's level. Last year he lost to Dylan Layton from Cleveland state (who went 0-2 at the MAC tournament) and High Schooler Kyler Larkin (who is a very good wrester in his own right).
nhs67 Posted June 13 Posted June 13 44 minutes ago, Gus said: I think Redding wins the 141 spot. Jacob Frost would need to take a major step forward to be considered on Redding's level. Last year he lost to Dylan Layton from Cleveland state (who went 0-2 at the MAC tournament) and High Schooler Kyler Larkin (who is a very good wrester in his own right). They both just tied for 7th at U23s. Jacob looked better on the weekend. Better wins and didn't look as bad in his losses. 1 "I know actually nothing. It isn't even conjecture at this point." - me
Winners Circle Posted June 14 Posted June 14 (edited) On 6/13/2024 at 12:18 PM, Gus said: I think Redding wins the 141 spot. Jacob Frost would need to take a major step forward to be considered on Redding's level. Last year he lost to Dylan Layton from Cleveland state (who went 0-2 at the MAC tournament) and High Schooler Kyler Larkin (who is a very good wrester in his own right). Didn't J. Frost beat Redding last year in wrestle-offs? And E. Frost beat Grice. If I remember correctly. **Edit**: Upon further research I was correct. Edited June 14 by Winners Circle
nhs67 Posted June 14 Posted June 14 4 minutes ago, Winners Circle said: Didn't J. Frost beat Redding last year in wrestle-offs? And E. Frost beat Grice. If I remember correctly. **Edit**: Upon further research I was correct. I thought Frost had some injury issues last year. "I know actually nothing. It isn't even conjecture at this point." - me
Winners Circle Posted June 14 Posted June 14 1 minute ago, nhs67 said: I thought Frost had some injury issues last year. That I don't know. I just was disputing your claim to J. Frost having to take a major step forward in order to take the spot from Redding.
nhs67 Posted June 14 Posted June 14 27 minutes ago, Winners Circle said: That I don't know. I just was disputing your claim to J. Frost having to take a major step forward in order to take the spot from Redding. Weren't my claim, mate, See mine in bold underline below... On 6/13/2024 at 11:13 AM, nhs67 said: I think Wrestlestat nails what their lineup is going to look like, as of now. 125 - K. Terukina 133 - E. Frost 141 - J. Frost 149 - A. Echemendia 157 - P. Johnson 165 - C. Euton 174 - M. Gaitan 184 - T. Naaktgeboren 197 - E. Bockman 285 - Y. Bastida As far as 141 goes, I think you see Z. Redding push J. Frost for the spot, even spot starting through the season, but we should see similar success from Jacob as we did his twin down at 133lbs last season. I expect Jacob to separate himself and establish himself as a low AA contender as the season progresses. Speaking of Z. Redding, he could also give A. Echemendia a run for his money at 149lbs. I anticipate C. Swiderski will also challenge for the spot at 149lbs. My money is on him, but Echemendia did win the spot last year before descending down to 141lbs. Whether or not Swiderski does win the spot at 149lbs and opts to avoid using his Redshirt until if he gets hurt (which is a wonderful option) late down the line, I do anticipate Swiderski to throw his hat in wherever he can. The same should be said for Echemendia. What I mean by that is that IF Swiderski wants to wrestle and does not 'earn' the 149lb spot, I think it an option or within the realm of possibility that if Euton struggles (which I think he will) that we see Swiderski attempt to give 165lbs a go. At 157lbs, I see a similar scenario between P. Johnson and C. Chittum. That is, if Chittum does not wish to Redshirt. The same could also be said for the loser there giving 165lbs a go. We could legitimately see the loser of A. Echemendia - C. Swiderski at 149lbs and P. Johnson - C. Chittum at 157lbs wrestle-off for the 165lb spot. I had high hopes that we would see M. Rojas enter the conversation at 165lbs but with the results we saw from him last year, I don't think he does, unfortunately. That said, if he is serious about being a D1 wrestler, he will try to throw his hat in the ring at 165lbs as well. That last dynamic is interesting to me in that Rojas and Swiderski wrestled for Michigan powerhouse schools (Detroit Catholic - Amines, Gilchers and Dundee - Davis, Buell) and their senior seasons wrestled as low as 138lbs (Swiderski) and as high as 215lbs (Rojas) before settling at 152lbs and 189lbs, respectively. Of note, both did wrestle up for team purposes nearly their entire careers. "I know actually nothing. It isn't even conjecture at this point." - me
Winners Circle Posted June 14 Posted June 14 4 minutes ago, nhs67 said: Weren't my claim, mate, See mine in bold underline below... Apologies. It was @Gus's claim.
Hwt1 Posted June 14 Posted June 14 What weight is the new Cuban? Might as well call them the ISU Cubans with 3 in the lineup
flyingcement Posted June 14 Posted June 14 Just now, Hwt1 said: What weight is the new Cuban? Might as well call them the ISU Cubans with 3 in the lineup 125
Gus Posted June 14 Posted June 14 4 hours ago, Winners Circle said: Didn't J. Frost beat Redding last year in wrestle-offs? And E. Frost beat Grice. If I remember correctly. **Edit**: Upon further research I was correct. Looks like I was off on that one. Redding certainly has the better overall results but perhaps that’s because Frost was banged up. That’s a convincing win over Redding.
nhs67 Posted June 15 Posted June 15 1 hour ago, Gus said: Looks like I was off on that one. Redding certainly has the better overall results but perhaps that’s because Frost was banged up. That’s a convincing win over Redding. Devil's Advocate here: That Redding was still trying to make 133lbs. He has gotten big. 1 "I know actually nothing. It isn't even conjecture at this point." - me
H82Lose Posted June 16 Posted June 16 On 6/13/2024 at 10:13 AM, nhs67 said: I think Wrestlestat nails what their lineup is going to look like, as of now. 125 - K. Terukina 133 - E. Frost 141 - J. Frost 149 - A. Echemendia 157 - P. Johnson 165 - C. Euton 174 - M. Gaitan 184 - T. Naaktgeboren 197 - E. Bockman 285 - Y. Bastida As far as 141 goes, I think you see Z. Redding push J. Frost for the spot, even spot starting through the season, but we should see similar success from Jacob as we did his twin down at 133lbs last season. I expect Jacob to separate himself and establish himself as a low AA contender as the season progresses. Speaking of Z. Redding, he could also give A. Echemendia a run for his money at 149lbs. I anticipate C. Swiderski will also challenge for the spot at 149lbs. My money is on him, but Echemendia did win the spot last year before descending down to 141lbs. Whether or not Swiderski does win the spot at 149lbs and opts to avoid using his Redshirt until if he gets hurt (which is a wonderful option) late down the line, I do anticipate Swiderski to throw his hat in wherever he can. The same should be said for Echemendia. What I mean by that is that IF Swiderski wants to wrestle and does not 'earn' the 149lb spot, I think it an option or within the realm of possibility that if Euton struggles (which I think he will) that we see Swiderski attempt to give 165lbs a go. At 157lbs, I see a similar scenario between P. Johnson and C. Chittum. That is, if Chittum does not wish to Redshirt. The same could also be said for the loser there giving 165lbs a go. We could legitimately see the loser of A. Echemendia - C. Swiderski at 149lbs and P. Johnson - C. Chittum at 157lbs wrestle-off for the 165lb spot. I had high hopes that we would see M. Rojas enter the conversation at 165lbs but with the results we saw from him last year, I don't think he does, unfortunately. That said, if he is serious about being a D1 wrestler, he will try to throw his hat in the ring at 165lbs as well. That last dynamic is interesting to me in that Rojas and Swiderski wrestled for Michigan powerhouse schools (Detroit Catholic - Amines, Gilchers and Dundee - Davis, Buell) and their senior seasons wrestled as low as 138lbs (Swiderski) and as high as 215lbs (Rojas) before settling at 152lbs and 189lbs, respectively. Of note, both did wrestle up for team purposes nearly their entire careers. If Grice decides to go 125, he will push for the starting position. Swiderski is RS this year. Chittum good chance of RS as well. 1
H82Lose Posted June 16 Posted June 16 On 6/14/2024 at 5:26 PM, flyingcement said: 125 Man he is big, I am not saying he won't compete at 125 this year, but it is gonna be a cut. For the record, Frost struggles to make 133. If Ech goes to 149, I could see Evan go 141 and then the Cuban slide in at 133. ALL speculation on my part...I will know more later, right now they are just running these camps. 1
nhs67 Posted June 16 Posted June 16 2 hours ago, H82Lose said: Man he is big, I am not saying he won't compete at 125 this year, but it is gonna be a cut. For the record, Frost struggles to make 133. If Ech goes to 149, I could see Evan go 141 and then the Cuban slide in at 133. ALL speculation on my part...I will know more later, right now they are just running these camps. Evan won't go 141. His twin Jacob is there. "I know actually nothing. It isn't even conjecture at this point." - me
Truzzcat Posted June 16 Posted June 16 part of me hopes that they just tell Ech he has to suck the weight and they roll out the same lineup as last year but with chittum at 165 and paniro at 157. Everyone has eligibility left besides Yonger though so it probably makes sense to red shirt and get guys where they feel comfortable.
nhs67 Posted June 16 Posted June 16 1 hour ago, Truzzcat said: part of me hopes that they just tell Ech he has to suck the weight and they roll out the same lineup as last year but with chittum at 165 and paniro at 157. Everyone has eligibility left besides Yonger though so it probably makes sense to red shirt and get guys where they feel comfortable. I still have a feeling that if they start struggling at 165lbs that we'll see Swiderski or Chittum there. "I know actually nothing. It isn't even conjecture at this point." - me
Truzzcat Posted June 16 Posted June 16 22 minutes ago, nhs67 said: I still have a feeling that if they start struggling at 165lbs that we'll see Swiderski or Chittum there. I think 157/165 are probably Casey's ideal weights but I don't know about 165 yet. He was far too big for 141 so I would just hate to see him use 2 of his years at the wrong weight. I absolutely agree though they can have a really good team this year so if they think they can push for a trophy I would bet they pull one of them. Both guys styles I think also improve as they get heavier, I think that pace gets harder and harder to match the bigger you are.
H82Lose Posted June 18 Posted June 18 On 6/16/2024 at 10:22 AM, nhs67 said: Evan won't go 141. His twin Jacob is there. let me say again, Evan is cutting his balls off to make 133. If Ech goes up, I see Evan going up. I will stick w/my prediction, if Grice goes to 125 he will start. Swidersky will RS and could go up next year. A little bit of a Log Jam with PJ, CS, and Chittum all over that 157/165 weight. Ideally CS stays at 149, PJ or CC go 157/165
nhs67 Posted June 18 Posted June 18 47 minutes ago, H82Lose said: let me say again, Evan is cutting his balls off to make 133. If Ech goes up, I see Evan going up. I will stick w/my prediction, if Grice goes to 125 he will start. Swidersky will RS and could go up next year. A little bit of a Log Jam with PJ, CS, and Chittum all over that 157/165 weight. Ideally CS stays at 149, PJ or CC go 157/165 Where does this leave Evan's twin brother? You think he is going to flip him the bird and tell him to phuk-all up the water spout? Doubt it. "I know actually nothing. It isn't even conjecture at this point." - me
Gus Posted June 18 Posted June 18 1 hour ago, nhs67 said: Where does this leave Evan's twin brother? You think he is going to flip him the bird and tell him to phuk-all up the water spout? Doubt it. He could tell the twin that its his turn to cut now.
nhs67 Posted June 18 Posted June 18 1 hour ago, Gus said: He could tell the twin that its his turn to cut now. Who says he beats the twin? "I know actually nothing. It isn't even conjecture at this point." - me
Gus Posted June 18 Posted June 18 2 hours ago, nhs67 said: Who says he beats the twin? Who says the twin beats him?
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