Jason Bryant's favorite phrase

[gimpeltf]

I found that almost every NCAA rulebook since 1928 can be found on the NWHOF site. I wanted to look up something about the history of minimum and/or mandated mat sizes. But I found something about the actual meaning of pin fall!

We, today, think of pin and fall as being equivalent terms. That's not how they thought about them years ago.

A fall was when the shoulders touched the mat. For it to be a termination of the match, it had to be pinned down. In other words, in a controlled fashion and for a specified length of time (2 seconds early on).

From the 1950 book as an example-

RULE 15-FALLS AND NEAR FALLS
1. Pin Falls.
Pin falls only shall count. (Flying or rolling falls shall not be
considered.) Any part of both shoulders held in contact wIth the
mat for an appreciable length of time constitutes a fall. (By an
"appreciable length of time" is meant the Referee's sIlent count
of two seconds. The two-second count shall start only after the
Referee is in such position that he knows positively that both of
the defensive contestant's shoulders are in contact wIth the mat,
after which shoulders must be held in continuous contact wIth
the mat for two seconds before a fall shall be awarded.)

[Wrestleknownothing]

28 minutes ago, gimpeltf said:

I found that almost every NCAA rulebook since 1928 can be found on the NWHOF site. I wanted to look up something about the history of minimum and/or mandated mat sizes. But I found something about the actual meaning of pin fall!

We, today, think of pin and fall as being equivalent terms. That's not how they thought about them years ago.

A fall was when the shoulders touched the mat. For it to be a termination of the match, it had to be pinned down. In other words, in a controlled fashion and for a specified length of time (2 seconds early on).

From the 1950 book as an example-

RULE 15-FALLS AND NEAR FALLS
1. Pin Falls.
Pin falls only shall count. (Flying or rolling falls shall not be
considered.) Any part of both shoulders held in contact wIth the
mat for an appreciable length of time constitutes a fall. (By an
"appreciable length of time" is meant the Referee's sIlent count
of two seconds. The two-second count shall start only after the
Referee is in such position that he knows positively that both of
the defensive contestant's shoulders are in contact wIth the mat,
after which shoulders must be held in continuous contact wIth
the mat for two seconds before a fall shall be awarded.)

You are doing the Lord's work here, @gimpeltf

[ionel]

It started out as such Happy Thanksgiving, now we are set back ~70 years and will have to start all over in an attempt to educate the swimmer.  

Edited November 23, 2023 by ionel

[Wrestleknownothing]

3 minutes ago, ionel said:

It started out as such Happy Thanksgiving, now we are set back ~70 years and will have to start all over in an attempt to educate the swimmer.  

[ionel]

7 minutes ago, Wrestleknownothing said:

When is that solar eclipse?  

[Wrestleknownothing]

5 minutes ago, ionel said:

When is that solar eclipse?  

[D3 for LU]

The first time any of us heard the term, PINFALL...

D3

Edited November 23, 2023 by D3 for LU

[ionel]

You guys really need to study your history.

The earliest known forms of bowling date back to ancient Egypt,^[5] with wall drawings depicting bowling being found in a royal Egyptian tomb dated to 3200 BC and miniature pins and balls in an Egyptian child's grave about 3200 BC.

[Wrestleknownothing]

My first time

 

[Offthemat]

3 minutes ago, ionel said:

You guys really need to study your history.

The earliest known forms of bowling date back to ancient Egypt,^[5] with wall drawings depicting bowling being found in a royal Egyptian tomb dated to 3200 BC and miniature pins and balls in an Egyptian child's grave about 3200 BC.

Set’em up, knock’em down.  Wherever the pins may fall. 

[MPhillips]

27 minutes ago, D3 for LU said:

He's a legacy...

[gimpeltf]

51 minutes ago, D3 for LU said:

The first time any of us heard the term, PINFALL...

D3

 

23 minutes ago, MPhillips said:

He's a legacy...

So is he-

[Jason Bryant]

Now find where it was removed from the rulebook.

You’ve ruined my Thanksgiving for the last time!

[Wrestleknownothing]

38 minutes ago, Jason Bryant said:

Now find where it was removed from the rulebook.

You’ve ruined my Thanksgiving for the last time!

[gimpeltf]

2 hours ago, Jason Bryant said:

Now find where it was removed from the rulebook.

You’ve ruined my Thanksgiving for the last time!

It was there as late as 1954. Not in 1955.

[ionel]

17 minutes ago, gimpeltf said:

It was there as late as 1954. Not in 1955.

Just checked the NCAA brackets for the early 50s and I see no fictitious pinfalls only falls.  Once again, fake news fake thread. 

[Wrestleknownothing]

8 minutes ago, ionel said:

Just checked the NCAA brackets for the early 50s and I see no fictitious pinfalls only falls.  Once again, fake news fake thread. 

[gimpeltf]

25 minutes ago, ionel said:

Just checked the NCAA brackets for the early 50s and I see no fictitious pinfalls only falls.  Once again, fake news fake thread. 

I'm talking about the rulebook. Not the brackets as currently printed. I quoted the rulebook.

[ionel]

21 minutes ago, Wrestleknownothing said:

 

13 minutes ago, gimpeltf said:

I'm talking about the rulebook. Not the brackets as currently printed. I quoted the rulebook.

I think we all understand how the swimmer could be lead astray.  After all he is a self proclaimed know nothing with regard to the great sport of wrestling.  But for a true wrestling fan to be fooled is most disappointing.  Sure it may be true that some kid in west central PA back in the 50s claimed he "pinfalled" his opponent in the finals while winning "states" but we all know there are no high-school "states" tournament just as there is no ridiculous "pinfall" move.  

[Jason Bryant]

Me x @ionel

[Wrestleknownothing]

22 minutes ago, Jason Bryant said:

Me x @ionel

I've got JB right where I want him

[Jason Bryant]

To my knowledge, the Hulkster never succumbed to a sleeper.

[Pinfalls at States]

I approve of this topic 

[MPhillips]

1 minute ago, Pinfalls at States said:

I approve of this topic 

@ionel 's arch enemy has entered the forum...

[ionel]

14 minutes ago, MPhillips said:

@ionel 's arch enemy has entered the forum...

double arch