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[red viking]

2 hours ago, JimmySpeaks said:

We know. You’re a typical libtardo ticking time Btw it’s 4x.  

You idiot. Thats only for the electoral college. For the senate, its approximately 68× the power. Thats absolutely ludicrous. 

[Lipdrag]

9 hours ago, Scouts Honor said:

it's islamophobia to ask where are the women and children refugees

 

It's invasion phobic to ask,  not islamophonic. 

Most invaders leave their wives and kids behind.  Refugees bring them.  Because it is unsafe for the wives and children back home.

[fishbane]

4 hours ago, JimmySpeaks said:

DC was never intended to be a state and never should be one.  Dems wouldn’t be pushing for it if it wasn’t predominantly blue.  

And Republicans wouldn’t be filibustering if it was red.  Essentially no one lived in DC when the constitution was ratified so unclear how relevant that is to the current situation.  I doubt it was the intention to leave 700,000 people unrepresented in congress. There is no other democracy that leaves residents of its capital city without representation in the national legislature.  

To me it’s pretty clear the right thing is to give DC representation in Congress. That could either be through statehood or joining an adjacent state.  Statehood is most likely because it would seem that neither DC residents nor Marylanders want DC to join Maryland.  The only argument against DC getting representation is the title of this thread - republicans don’t like how DC residents think.  

4 hours ago, JimmySpeaks said:

PR isnt much over 50% for it. 

In Puerto Rico there were three options in the referendum.  Just under 60% voted for statehood and just over 10% wanted total sovereignty with under 30% wanting the status quo.  Statehood was preferred 2-1 to the status quo.   DC has higher support for statehood (~80%), but breaking off to form a new country isn’t really an option like it is for PR.  If 80% of Puerto Ricans voted for statehood in the next referendum would you get behind the cause?

[JimmySpeaks]

3 hours ago, red viking said:

You idiot. Thats only for the electoral college. For the senate, its approximately 68× the power. Thats absolutely ludicrous. 

Far from 1000x like your idiot ass claimed. 

[JimmySpeaks]

2 hours ago, fishbane said:

And Republicans wouldn’t be filibustering if it was red.  Essentially no one lived in DC when the constitution was ratified so unclear how relevant that is to the current situation.  I doubt it was the intention to leave 700,000 people unrepresented in congress. There is no other democracy that leaves residents of its capital city without representation in the national legislature.  

To me it’s pretty clear the right thing is to give DC representation in Congress. That could either be through statehood or joining an adjacent state.  Statehood is most likely because it would seem that neither DC residents nor Marylanders want DC to join Maryland.  The only argument against DC getting representation is the title of this thread - republicans don’t like how DC residents think.  

In Puerto Rico there were three options in the referendum.  Just under 60% voted for statehood and just over 10% wanted total sovereignty with under 30% wanting the status quo.  Statehood was preferred 2-1 to the status quo.   DC has higher support for statehood (~80%), but breaking off to form a new country isn’t really an option like it is for PR.  If 80% of Puerto Ricans voted for statehood in the next referendum would you get behind the cause?

Those people in DC can easily be absorbed by the states they live in. AGAIN DC was never intended to be a state. You should look up why it’s where it is 

[JimmySpeaks]

2 hours ago, fishbane said:

In Puerto Rico there were three options in the referendum.  Just under 60% voted for statehood and just over 10% wanted total sovereignty with under 30% wanting the status quo.  Statehood was preferred 2-1 to the status quo.   DC has higher support for statehood (~80%), but breaking off to form a new country isn’t really an option like it is for PR.  If 80% of Puerto Ricans voted for statehood in the next referendum would you get behind the cause?

How many people voted ?  Hint. 20%. Why was that?

[Scouts Honor]

it's amazing how many people don't know why the govt we have is the way it is.

[Scouts Honor]

 

[Lipdrag]

9 hours ago, JimmySpeaks said:

Those people in DC can easily be absorbed by the states they live in. AGAIN DC was never intended to be a state. You should look up why it’s where it is 

DC should be bigger.  The original boundaries with an area south/west of the Potomac equal to the area north /east of the Potomac should be reestablished.

Also, not a state.

If the DC, PR should be a state then any sub portion of a state should bd able to be a state.   In fact, that's a good idea.  Let's let every county have a rep in the house and a senator for every group of 10 counties.  So long as we're trashing the constitution anyway. 

[JimmySpeaks]

Just now, Lipdrag said:

DC should be bigger.  The original boundaries with an area south/west of the Potomac equal to the area north /east of the Potomac should be reestablished.

Also, not a state.

If the DC, PR should be a state then any sub portion of a state should bd able to be a state.   In fact, that's a good idea.  Let's let every county have a rep in the house and a senator for every group of 10 counties.  So long as we're trashing the constitution anyway. 

This .  85% of the counties in my state vote red and we’re still blue.  Every county gets its own vote.  Works for me. 

[jross]

States are often added in pairs with different political leans to maintain the power balance.

But if we're doing away with that, yea lets go with every county gets minimal representation.

[fishbane]

10 hours ago, JimmySpeaks said:

AGAIN DC was never intended to be a state. You should look up why it’s where it is 

No need to look it up I know all about it.  Framers wanted the federal district independent from any state. It’s location was a compromise with the southern states.

The plan for DC statehood does not conflict with the constitution.  The constitution puts a maximum size on the federal district (10mi square) but there is no minimum.  DC statehood shrinks the federal district to the buildings in and around the mall that house the government (Capitol, White House, Supreme Court) and the remaining 60+ mi^2 where the 700,000+ residents live would be the 51st state.

10 hours ago, JimmySpeaks said:

Those people in DC can easily be absorbed by the states they live in. 

I don’t know what you mean.  They don’t live in a state they live in the District of Columbia.  Are you suggesting Congress give the land outside of the reduced federal district back to Maryland?  As someone who doesn’t live there that seems like a solution, but neither DC nor Maryland want that solution.  It is undemocratic and untenable to have that many people unrepresented in the legislature.  Just give them representation like every other democracy already does - Brazil, Australia, etc.  It’s not like Philadelphians and New Yorkers didn’t have representation before the capital moved to DC.