JMill Posted July 18 Posted July 18 6 minutes ago, Fadzaev2 said: I coached wrestling over 40 years, highly successful..... I taught physical education for 40 years also, and had a "rec" games unit which by 1979 included pickleball before it was known in most places. Did you wear a polo shirt under a singlet while teaching class or just while coaching at wrestling practice?
dragit Posted July 19 Posted July 19 5 hours ago, LJB said: Is there anyone on the planet think there is universe where Schultz could not have beat Zilmer? I think everyone thinks Schultz COULD have beaten Zilmer, though I'd probably pick peak Zilmer if I had to bet. So our best argument here is that the Greco guy with the best college record (along with Coon, same difference) (a record that includes zero championships for either guy) could beat the guy who was our one time freestyle rep with one of if not the worst college records of a freestyle rep ever. Sounds about right given that we've had one (1) (!) gold medalist, ever, in Greco in a full Olympics. Don't know why it's necessary to trash the style that our best and most successful wrestlers choose to pursue. It does lead to more discussion about Greco on the board but doesn't win any converts to the style (although I will keep an eye out for videos of Otto in the future because he seems like a good guy). 1
Hammerlock3 Posted July 19 Posted July 19 anyone else notice there is no greco sub-forum on here? Notice how no one care or wants one? 1 "Half measures are a coward's form of insanity."
dragit Posted July 19 Posted July 19 24 minutes ago, Hammerlock3 said: anyone else notice there is no greco sub-forum on here? Notice how no one care or wants one? Which is the real reason I was ritually derided as a nerd dummy when I suggested petitioning the mods for a greco section.
Simpleman424 Posted July 19 Posted July 19 9 hours ago, Hammerlock3 said: anyone else notice there is no greco sub-forum on here? Notice how no one care or wants one? I think there should be one, however, I might not hang around the site much longer anyway. There are some personalities on here…I’d just assume go back to other sites and engage with grownups. The site should have a Greco section though…
LJB Posted July 19 Posted July 19 (edited) 10 hours ago, dragit said: I think everyone thinks Schultz COULD have beaten Zilmer, though I'd probably pick peak Zilmer if I had to bet. So our best argument here is that the Greco guy with the best college record (along with Coon, same difference) (a record that includes zero championships for either guy) could beat the guy who was our one time freestyle rep with one of if not the worst college records of a freestyle rep ever. Sounds about right given that we've had one (1) (!) gold medalist, ever, in Greco in a full Olympics. Don't know why it's necessary to trash the style that our best and most successful wrestlers choose to pursue. It does lead to more discussion about Greco on the board but doesn't win any converts to the style (although I will keep an eye out for videos of Otto in the future because he seems like a good guy). my old grandpappy would call that a crawdaddy... but it is progress... we have gone from all greco guys suck and the only reason they wrestle greco is because they failed at leg grabbing to admitting some greco guys were pretty good at all styles and could do well at senior free if they had chosen it instead... i think the major issue here is the usual suspects who do nothing but shit on greco just do not follow wrestling in general close enough to understand the sport at all... the strong opinions just do not justify the limited knowledge... anyway... thanks about Otto... he is good dude... there are plenty of clips and vids of him out there to get a glimpse of what american greco could be... Edited July 19 by LJB
1032004 Posted July 19 Posted July 19 1 hour ago, LJB said: my old grandpappy would call that a crawdaddy... but it is progress... we have gone from all greco guys suck and the only reason they wrestle greco is because they failed at leg grabbing to admitting some greco guys were pretty good at all styles and could do well at senior free if they had chosen it instead... i think the major issue here is the usual suspects who do nothing but shit on greco just do not follow wrestling in general close enough to understand the sport at all... the strong opinions just do not justify the limited knowledge... anyway... thanks about Otto... he is good dude... there are plenty of clips and vids of him out there to get a glimpse of what american greco could be... They could “do well,” but highly unlikely they’d do equally well or better than they do in Greco. But the opposite is true as well of course, if the top freestyle guys spent more time on Greco they’d “do well” also. You said they “just are not good at it…” >insert laughing gif here<
LJB Posted July 19 Posted July 19 41 minutes ago, 1032004 said: They could “do well,” but highly unlikely they’d do equally well or better than they do in Greco. But the opposite is true as well of course, if the top freestyle guys spent more time on Greco they’d “do well” also. You said they “just are not good at it…” >insert laughing gif here< If the top free guys had chosen Greco early then of course they could have done well… but, the vast majority of top free guys just don’t have the mentality to have ever succeeded in Greco, period… it is just an entirely different type of personality… you have to want to get dirty and stand there and fight for every inch… That constant physicality as opposed to relying on bouncing around and winning by just pure athleticism alone… Greco guys are psychos… but again… whatever… you either get it or you don’t… And if you don’t that is fine… but why anyone would go out of their way to shit on greco while knowing absolutely nothing about the sport all while hiding behind anonymity I will never fully understand… but I don’t understand YouTube commenters or redditors either…
1032004 Posted July 19 Posted July 19 2 minutes ago, LJB said: If the top free guys had chosen Greco early then of course they could have done well… but, the vast majority of top free guys just don’t have the mentality to have ever succeeded in Greco, period… it is just an entirely different type of personality… you have to want to get dirty and stand there and fight for every inch… That constant physicality as opposed to relying on bouncing around and winning by just pure athleticism alone… Greco guys are psychos… but again… whatever… you either get it or you don’t… And if you don’t that is fine… but why anyone would go out of their way to shit on greco while knowing absolutely nothing about the sport all while hiding behind anonymity I will never fully understand… but I don’t understand YouTube commenters or redditors either… So you’re not going to remind us of your credentials? World medalist, correct? Otherwise the thread you started asking other people’s credentials is a terrible look. Of course probably not as bad as claiming Micic cheated and then claiming “you didn’t bash anyone” lol
LJB Posted July 19 Posted July 19 1 minute ago, 1032004 said: So you’re not going to remind us of your credentials? World medalist, correct? Otherwise the thread you started asking other people’s credentials is a terrible look. Of course probably not as bad as claiming Micic cheated and then claiming “you didn’t bash anyone” lol Again, dummy… my credentials have been well documented… on here… the fact you don’t know that is not my problem but it getting you so emotional I do find endless amusement in…
1032004 Posted July 19 Posted July 19 5 minutes ago, LJB said: Again, dummy… my credentials have been well documented… on here… the fact you don’t know that is not my problem but it getting you so emotional I do find endless amusement in… On this forum? Or on themat which has been gone for years?
LJB Posted July 19 Posted July 19 1 minute ago, 1032004 said: On this forum? Or on themat which has been gone for years? Both dummy… Whatever… either try to find a new obsession or don’t… but this little drama is played out… time to move on little fella…
1032004 Posted July 19 Posted July 19 1 minute ago, LJB said: Both dummy… Whatever… either try to find a new obsession or don’t… but this little drama is played out… time to move on little fella… You’re the one that started a thread asking what poster’s here credentials are and trashed anyone that didn’t make a senior world team. So unless you did that, you’re a giant hypocrite. And of course even if you did that doesn’t make your opinion more valuable than anyone else’s.
LJB Posted July 19 Posted July 19 8 minutes ago, 1032004 said: You’re the one that started a thread asking what poster’s here credentials are and trashed anyone that didn’t make a senior world team. So unless you did that, you’re a giant hypocrite. And of course even if you did that doesn’t make your opinion more valuable than anyone else’s. Cry me a river… anonymous forum nerds who talk shit on athletes, coaches, programs, and entire styles while safe behind their anonymity should be made fun of… Now, run along little fella… I am pretty much done with you…
1032004 Posted July 19 Posted July 19 1 minute ago, LJB said: nerds who talk shit on athletes, Like you, talking shit on anyone that didn’t make a senior world team?
LJB Posted July 19 Posted July 19 Just now, 1032004 said: Like you, talking shit on anyone that didn’t make a senior world team? just to anonymous fourm nerds hiding behind a screen name... seriously, this is it from me to you... keep living your best life...
1032004 Posted July 19 Posted July 19 2 minutes ago, LJB said: just to anonymous fourm nerds hiding behind a screen name... seriously, this is it from me to you... keep living your best life... lol. So when you said “if you did not make a world team nobody would ever ever known your name...” that was only directed at forum nerds, you didn’t mean to talk trash on all athletes that didn’t achieve that accomplishment? Even though you 100% were? >insert laughing gif here<
bnwtwg Posted July 19 Posted July 19 I will not stand for this Zillmer slander. He took out multiple RECENT world medalists just to make the team. Greco doesn't even have world medalists. BUTBUTBUTBUT big boy had a lot of age group success! If he would have just changed his diet and learned any move at all and discovered basic cardio he would have been the man! psshh. One of them lifted hard, ate clean, made their body their temple and the wrestling room their shrine. The other ATE TACO BELL NIGHT TWO OF NCAA'S - and yes this is literal, not a joke. i am an idiot on the internet
bnwtwg Posted July 19 Posted July 19 12 minutes ago, LJB said: It's the same reason he has not found success in greco. i am an idiot on the internet
Caveira Posted July 19 Posted July 19 (edited) 16 minutes ago, LJB said: No success at all… zippo… The Greco team wins senior medals on the reg? Edited July 19 by Caveira
LJB Posted July 19 Posted July 19 6 minutes ago, Caveira said: The Greco team wins senior medals on the reg? Do me a favor, please? I would love for you to take some time wherever your happy place and come up with exactly what it is that you think defines success in wrestling… so far we have determined being ranked in HS doesn’t mean anything in folk… also, simply AAing in college doesn’t mean anything folk… I think before we can go any further I have to know defines success in wrestling to an anonymous forum nerd… I won’t be engaging n any more silly back and forth until I get that definition… I will just point and laugh from over there on left with my feet propped up…
Caveira Posted July 19 Posted July 19 (edited) 25 minutes ago, LJB said: Do me a favor, please? I would love for you to take some time wherever your happy place and come up with exactly what it is that you think defines success in wrestling… so far we have determined being ranked in HS doesn’t mean anything in folk… also, simply AAing in college doesn’t mean anything folk… I think before we can go any further I have to know defines success in wrestling to an anonymous forum nerd… I won’t be engaging n any more silly back and forth until I get that definition… I will just point and laugh from over there on left with my feet propped up… You’re the one that made these comments. Why don’t you define success. You’re the one that talks down to those that aren’t on world teams. What words did you use. …. No one would know your name if you weren’t on a world team bla bla nerd anonymous etc. Edited July 19 by Caveira
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