Bacanator Posted July 17 Posted July 17 (edited) 39:42 The hosts Evan Wick and crew seem to agree… Edited July 17 by elijedi06
Bacanator Posted July 17 Author Posted July 17 @LJB please reach out and offer to go on the podcast… I’d love to see you in an argument where you can’t use gifs 1 1
TW8 Posted July 17 Posted July 17 Greco is tough no doubt, but it's a non factor in USA wrestling. Plain and simple
LJB Posted July 17 Posted July 17 i used to be around ben quite a bit back in the day... i would not say we were friendly or anything or that he would even remember me but we have talked a couple of times briefly... ben would remember a friend who beat him his red shirt year and ben would damn sure remebr a really good friend who arm barred him in a las vegas hotel lobby... anyway... they don't want to really talk greco...
dragit Posted July 17 Posted July 17 If this dummy nerd Askren can establish some credentials in the Who Has Done It thread I will consider his opinion, otherwise he has no standing to participate in a free wrestling board. (Yes, I get it, he's not anonymous, so his First Amendment rights are not revoked, even if he is a nerd and a dummy for being so obviously and totally wrong about the world's only sport. I'm just trying to make some light of the Mariana Trench depths to which this has all sunk.)
Bacanator Posted July 17 Author Posted July 17 14 minutes ago, LJB said: i used to be around ben quite a bit back in the day... i would not say we were friendly or anything or that he would even remember me but we have talked a couple of times briefly... ben would remember a friend who beat him his red shirt year and ben would damn sure remebr a really good friend who arm barred him in a las vegas hotel lobby... anyway... they don't want to really talk greco... Johnny Hendricks?
JMill Posted July 17 Posted July 17 38 minutes ago, dragit said: If this dummy nerd Askren can establish some credentials in the Who Has Done It thread I will consider his opinion, otherwise he has no standing to participate in a free wrestling board. (Yes, I get it, he's not anonymous, so his First Amendment rights are not revoked, even if he is a nerd and a dummy for being so obviously and totally wrong about the world's only sport. I'm just trying to make some light of the Mariana Trench depths to which this has all sunk.) How dare you call someone who self-identifies as autistic a dummy! https://www.forbes.com/sites/brianmazique/2026/07/15/ben-askren-opens-up-about-autism-spectrum-traits-says-hes-never-been-formally-diagnosed/ 1
dragit Posted July 17 Posted July 17 2 minutes ago, JMill said: How dare you call someone who self-identifies as autistic a dummy! https://www.forbes.com/sites/brianmazique/2026/07/15/ben-askren-opens-up-about-autism-spectrum-traits-says-hes-never-been-formally-diagnosed/ His innovative and entrepreneurial strengths are not inconsistent with that. But he is still an ignorant nerd dummy. Kidding aside, he pointed out the elephant in the room on that video, which is that, while anyone who isn't interested in Greco has the option of ignoring the silliness in these forum threads, that doesn't mean that Greco won't effect your preferred brand of wrestling otherwise, because Greco takes some of the limited number of Olympic spots.
1032004 Posted July 17 Posted July 17 1 hour ago, LJB said: i used to be around ben quite a bit back in the day... i would not say we were friendly or anything or that he would even remember me but we have talked a couple of times briefly... ben would remember a friend who beat him his red shirt year and ben would damn sure remebr a really good friend who arm barred him in a las vegas hotel lobby... anyway... they don't want to really talk greco... So now you’re going off the credentials of your friends? And didn’t you say you were going back to sleep?
dragit Posted July 17 Posted July 17 14 minutes ago, 1032004 said: So now you’re going off the credentials of your friends? And didn’t you say you were going back to sleep? zzzz... Proximity to greatness = greatness... And is the antidote to nerds... ...
1032004 Posted July 17 Posted July 17 20 minutes ago, dragit said: zzzz... Proximity to greatness = greatness... And is the antidote to nerds... ... Askren might call himself a nerd too…
dragit Posted July 17 Posted July 17 12 minutes ago, 1032004 said: Askren might call himself a nerd too… We still don't have a good definition to give him.
1032004 Posted July 17 Posted July 17 10 minutes ago, dragit said: We still don't have a good definition to give him. Someone who doesn’t use an ellipsis after every sentence?
dragit Posted July 17 Posted July 17 That's non-negotiable... Only nerds care about proper punctuation... And general writing clarity... Nerd...
Sulyvahn Posted July 18 Posted July 18 I listened to the clip. Nothing particularly insightful or of substance was said. What came across to me was that he did not grow up with greco, so he finds it weird. Fair enough, but it's a dismissive sentiment that a non wrestling person would have to freestyle or folk. I don't agree that greco is somehow contrived or an accident of history. A grappling style focused on the upper body is a natural rule set to land on. It would be strange if we did not have a sport very similar to modern greco. I was wondering if maybe he would make an analogy with pickleball, since I don't think the two sports are analogous at all. Nope, a half second throw away line. 1
LJB Posted July 18 Posted July 18 6 minutes ago, Sulyvahn said: I listened to the clip. Nothing particularly insightful or of substance was said. What came across to me was that he did not grow up with greco, so he finds it weird. Fair enough, but it's a dismissive sentiment that a non wrestling person would have to freestyle or folk. I don't agree that greco is somehow contrived or an accident of history. A grappling style focused on the upper body is a natural rule set to land on. It would be strange if we did not have a sport very similar to modern greco. I was wondering if maybe he would make an analogy with pickleball, since I don't think the two sports are analogous at all. Nope, a half second throw away line.
GreatWhiteNorth Posted July 18 Posted July 18 8 hours ago, dragit said: We still don't have a good definition to give him. We do. Ben is a caveman nerd.
Hammerlock3 Posted July 18 Posted July 18 he doesn't have to make a bunch of great points. Greco isn't relevant to folk or free and few care about it, the smoking gun has been public forever. add trips to greco and it becomes very pertinent and we'd spur a lot of innovation. Who cares if it undermines our potential at worlds, most croatian gas station attendants can beat our best guys. In defence of our greco world team, we lose cause our team is untalented and inexperienced, because everyone gravitates to free, you have to find a way to change that if you're going to say our world team should matter at all. "Half measures are a coward's form of insanity."
LJB Posted July 18 Posted July 18 The real truth of it is almost all of absolute top guys wrestle Greco coming up through youth and into HS but they just are not good at it… just not tough enough…
Caveira Posted July 18 Posted July 18 18 minutes ago, LJB said: The real truth of it is almost all of absolute top guys wrestle Greco coming up through youth and into HS but they just are not good at it… just not tough enough… It’s gotta be liberating to finally admit the top tiered wrestlers do not stick with Greco. Given your lack of credentials not sure your opinion as to why is relevant
1032004 Posted July 18 Posted July 18 21 minutes ago, LJB said: The real truth of it is almost all of absolute top guys wrestle Greco coming up through youth and into HS but they just are not good at it… just not tough enough… This has to be trolling lol.
LJB Posted July 18 Posted July 18 13 minutes ago, Caveira said: It’s gotta be liberating to finally admit the top tiered wrestlers do not stick with Greco. Given your lack of credentials not sure your opinion as to why is relevant You are so awful at this… our top tier Greco guys in the US would be successful in the women’s style if they had wanted to be but they choose Greco instead… most of our top free guys wrestled Greco coming up but realize to beat even just our top guys who go all in (not even considering the world) they would as well and they choose the easier style… it’s really that simple… I fully understand anyone who was shit to begin with find that impossible to comprehend but it does not make it any less true…
1032004 Posted July 18 Posted July 18 11 minutes ago, LJB said: You are so awful at this… our top tier Greco guys in the US would be successful in the women’s style if they had wanted to be but they choose Greco instead… most of our top free guys wrestled Greco coming up but realize to beat even just our top guys who go all in (not even considering the world) they would as well and they choose the easier style… it’s really that simple… I fully understand anyone who was shit to begin with find that impossible to comprehend but it does not make it any less true… Define “successful.” Just looking at some guys that actually wrestled some D1, you think Brady Koontz, Ryder Rogotzke, and Zac Braunagel could be top 3 on the freestyle ladder?
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