Anti-Muslim mosque attack kills 3; one alleged shooter was a HS wrestler

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13 minutes ago, jross said:

Bringing her up repeatedly seems like bad-faith smear-by-association.  I can do the same thing with Piker and others on the fringe left but why would I?  Other than to troll?  Meaningless trumpeting.

I think Loomer is relevant in general because once again, she has influence within the current administration. I brought her up in this thread because she made comments about this specific incident. Those comments have gotten tens of thousands of likes, and again, while I don’t think her opinion is the majority opinion of conservatives, it’s not really uncommon. If people want to bring up comments about specific situations that Piker has made that have gotten tens of thousands of likes in threads about that situation, I have no problem with that. 

But at least it seems you agree that people like @Caveira shouldn’t post videos of absolute nobodies.  I’ll keep an eye out to see if you ever call him out one of the dozens of times @Caveira does that.

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1 hour ago, 1032004 said:

I’m sorry, I gotta say, you are usually one of the more reasonable right wingers here, but this is an incredibly stupid question.  “MaYbE tHeY tHoUgHt ThE mOsQuE wAs A sYnAgOgUe,” lol c’mon man, I’d expect that from @Caveira, @Scouts Honor, @El Luchador or @Offthemat, but not you.

You have really thought a lot about my question, in fact commented on it twice by offering nothing other than attacking me for asking the question.   No answer.  Just dumb question.   

Perhaps an actual response would be beneficial, because the only answer I saw was from offthemat who quoted the FBI agent as saying 

1 hour ago, Offthemat said:

“The pair “didn’t discriminate on who they hated,” Mark Remily, the lead FBI agent in San Diego, said Tuesday. 

The writings, obtained by The Associated Press, include hateful rhetoric toward Jewish people, Muslims and Islam, as well as the LGBTQ+ community, Black people, women, and both the political left and right. Both express beliefs that white people are being eliminated, and one writes about mental health struggles and being rejected by women.”

It still didn't answer the question but at least gave some interesting information I didn't have before.   

mspart

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12 minutes ago, mspart said:

You have really thought a lot about my question, in fact commented on it twice by offering nothing other than attacking me for asking the question.   No answer.  Just dumb question.   

Perhaps an actual response would be beneficial, because the only answer I saw was from offthemat who quoted the FBI agent as saying 

It still didn't answer the question but at least gave some interesting information I didn't have before.   

mspart

I answered it the first time without attacking you, unless you consider saying that it wasn’t an interesting question as an “attack.”  But as I thought about it more I couldn’t get over how stupid it was so I responded again later.  Here was my first reply in case you missed it.

2 hours ago, 1032004 said:

No that’s not an interesting question.  They were from the area, I’m sure they knew who they were attacking.   But yea, they did express hatred of other groups in addition to Muslims.  They were white supremacists, even though one of them seems to have been Hispanic.  They did describe themselves as neither left or right for those looking to pin this on a particular side (such as other right wing grifters like Libs of Tik Tok who cherrypicked some anti-Trump statements). 

 

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10 minutes ago, 1032004 said:

I answered it the first time without attacking you, unless you consider saying that it wasn’t an interesting question as an “attack.”  But as I thought about it more I couldn’t get over how stupid it was so I responded again later.  Here was my first reply in case you missed it.

 

Very good.   It was a stupid question in your opinion.   Do you know why they hit a mosque?   Are you 100% sure they were not going for a synagogue?  If so, I can see how you would think it was a stupid question because everyone should know about that.   But it doesn't seem to be something everyone  knows.   Only you know.   

What you are saying is it is impossible that they meant to hit any other site other than what they hit.   But these were two stupid youth, which is the basis of the question.  

So it is your opinion that it is a stupid question - Based on what evidence exactly?  I don't mind you saying it is stupid, I just want a reason why it is stupid other than you saying it is stupid.  

mspart

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41 minutes ago, mspart said:

It still didn't answer the question but at least gave some interesting information I didn't have before. 

I read yesterday, somewhere, someone asked the same question you’re asking today using the same reasoning you’re using   I’ve seen nothing that would dispel it as a possibility.  

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Right, that's what I'm saying.  

mspart

[Offthemat]

2 minutes ago, mspart said:

Right, that's what I'm saying.  

mspart

Born on October 3, 2004 argues his case with the same mendacity as red lobster argues his.

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14 minutes ago, mspart said:

Very good.   It was a stupid question in your opinion.   Do you know why they hit a mosque?   Are you 100% sure they were not going for a synagogue?  If so, I can see how you would think it was a stupid question because everyone should know about that.   But it doesn't seem to be something everyone  knows.   Only you know.   

What you are saying is it is impossible that they meant to hit any other site other than what they hit.   But these were two stupid youth, which is the basis of the question.  

So it is your opinion that it is a stupid question - Based on what evidence exactly?  I don't mind you saying it is stupid, I just want a reason why it is stupid other than you saying it is stupid.  

mspart

I provided the evidence:

1) They lived in the local area, Occam’s razor would say they were familiar with the target.  More specifically, the Islamic center was located one mile from the school where one of the shooters wrestled.

2) While I acknowledged these shooters hated other groups in addition to Muslims, they did in fact hate Muslims.

Anyone that thinks there’s a possibility they “thought the mosque was a synagogue” needs their head examined.

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5 minutes ago, 1032004 said:

I provided the evidence:

1) They lived in the local area, Occam’s razor would say they were familiar with the target.  More specifically, the Islamic center was located one mile from the school where one of the shooters wrestled.

2) While I acknowledged these shooters hated other groups in addition to Muslims, they did in fact hate Muslims.

Anyone that thinks there’s a possibility they “thought the mosque was a synagogue” needs their head examined.

Unless they were that stupid.  You have presented conjecture, not evidence.   Is there anywhere where they say they were going to target a mosque.   If so, I agree with you.   If not, you have some learning to do on what is a stupid question and what is not.   Your opinion on their motivation means diddly squat.  

mspart

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2 minutes ago, mspart said:

Unless they were that stupid.  You have presented conjecture

No, I presented evidence.  In addition to, you know, the fact that they attacked a mosque.  Anyone suggesting it’s possible they thought it was a synagogue would be presenting conjecture.

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1 minute ago, 1032004 said:

No, I presented evidence.  In addition to, you know, the fact that they attacked a mosque.  Anyone suggesting it’s possible they thought it was a synagogue would be presenting conjecture.

Maybe they were just drunk and went to the wrong place.   Know anyone who got a Nazi tattoo and just didn’t realize it for 18 years or so?

that kind of evidence?

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2 hours ago, 1032004 said:

I’m sorry, I gotta say, you are usually one of the more reasonable right wingers here, but this is an incredibly stupid question.  “MaYbE tHeY tHoUgHt ThE mOsQuE wAs A sYnAgOgUe,” lol c’mon man, I’d expect that from @Caveira, @Scouts Honor, @El Luchador or @Offthemat, but not you.

not to let you down, i posted that awhile back

they hate everyone. even trump.

not sure how you think this means that americans are goign to start killing like muslims do 

unless they get fed up.

when do we start to curb caucasiophobia

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is that what his name means?

no wonder he has no worldly experience

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Just now, Scouts Honor said:

is that what his name means?

No

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3 minutes ago, Scouts Honor said:

not to let you down, i posted that awhile back

I did see that after I posted that actually.  Thanks for being so predictable lol.

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12 minutes ago, 1032004 said:

No, I presented evidence.  In addition to, you know, the fact that they attacked a mosque.  Anyone suggesting it’s possible they thought it was a synagogue would be presenting conjecture.

The evidence you presented was not a plan or where they were going to shoot.   It was that they lived in the city and should have known the area around the school they went to.   

I just have to say, based on your evidence, it could turn out that the question is valid and you are the one who will look stupid for not even considering this as a possibility.   You seem to be invested that these Hitler lovers and neo nazi folks had it out for muslims which really is kind of a weird thing, if you think about it which you haven't.   It's like you'd rather them be muslim shooters rather than jew shooters, which they were, but was that their intent.   Alas we may never really know because they killed themselves. 

mspart

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2 minutes ago, mspart said:

The evidence you presented was not a plan or where they were going to shoot.   It was that they lived in the city and should have known the area around the school they went to.   

I just have to say, based on your evidence, it could turn out that the question is valid and you are the one who will look stupid for not even considering this as a possibility.   You seem to be invested that these Hitler lovers and neo nazi folks had it out for muslims which really is kind of a weird thing, if you think about it which you haven't.   It's like you'd rather them be muslim shooters rather than jew shooters, which they were, but was that their intent.   Alas we may never really know because they killed themselves. 

mspart

Their writings showed they hated numerous groups, including Muslims.  You are welcome to wonder if they actually meant to target someone besides Muslims with this particular attack, it’s a free country.  But sane people such as myself know that they were targeting Muslims.

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You just stated the issue here.   They hated everyone.   But you are 100% sure they meant to kill muslims instead of anyone from some other group.   You are welcome to believe that it is a free country.   But sane people such as myself, will ask questions about motivations and intent until evidence pops up to show what they intended with no doubts.   

These were stupid HS kids.   Idiots.   I start with that and ask sane questions.   

mspart

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Just now, mspart said:

You just stated the issue here.   They hated everyone.   But you are 100% sure they meant to kill muslims instead of anyone from some other group.   You are welcome to believe that it is a free country.   But sane people such as myself, will ask questions about motivations and intent until evidence pops up to show what they intended with no doubts.   

These were stupid HS kids.   Idiots.   I start with that and ask sane questions.   

mspart

I’d think you were trolling me if multiple other people didn’t also make similar claims…

They hated Muslims.

They attacked Muslims at an Islamic center 1 mile from where one of them went to high school.

Doesn’t take a rocket scientist to determine that there’s an extremely slim chance this particular attack was targeting someone besides Muslims.

Is it technically possible that they were targeting someone besides Muslims? Sure, I guess it’s technically possible, albeit extremely unlikely.  And even if they were, they also stated that they wanted to preserve the “white race,” in which case Jews would probably be further down the list of priority targets.

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i will tell you who else hates everyone and plays the victim constantly

 

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i mean japanophobia is a new thing..but there certainly is a lot of it these last few months

wonder what could have caused it

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6 minutes ago, Scouts Honor said:

i will tell you who else hates everyone and plays the victim constantly

 

Who’s pretending it isn’t happening?  Had you posted about it before right now?

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23 minutes ago, 1032004 said:

I’d think you were trolling me if multiple other people didn’t also make similar claims…

They hated Muslims.

They attacked Muslims at an Islamic center 1 mile from where one of them went to high school.

Doesn’t take a rocket scientist to determine that there’s an extremely slim chance this particular attack was targeting someone besides Muslims.

Is it technically possible that they were targeting someone besides Muslims? Sure, I guess it’s technically possible, albeit extremely unlikely.  And even if they were, they also stated that they wanted to preserve the “white race,” in which case Jews would probably be further down the list of priority targets.

See, that wasn't so hard now was it.   If it is possible, then the question is not stupid.  

https://nypost.com/2026/05/19/us-news/san-diego-mosque-shooter-wore-nazi-symbols-inscribed-vile-3-word-message-on-guns-in-alleged-video/

Clark is seen with what appears to be a Black Sun symbol, which is associated with Nazi Germany, square on his chest.

 

The partial Black Sun symbol can be seen on the left of the shooter’s camouflage, while the Atomwaffen symbol can be seen on the right.

Also seen on the handgun of one of the shooters is the statement, “race war now,” right above a swastika. Neo-nazis and white nationalists are known for promoting race wars to overthrow the government or create a white ethnostate

 

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/us/news/2026/05/18/shooting-california-mosque-san-diego/

A petrol can with an SS sticker was found by a car at the scene of the shooting

 

Seems like an awful lot of NAZI paraphernalia.   Just seems odd they would shoot up Muslims rather than Jews.    But maybe they were just teenage idiots that just wanted to go out with a bang.  

mspart

 

 

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14 minutes ago, 1032004 said:

Who’s pretending it isn’t happening?  Had you posted about it before right now?

lol

yes. many times.

i was called a few names for it.

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1 minute ago, Scouts Honor said:

lol

yes. many times.

i was called a few names for it.

Link?  You posted many times about fires in Japan and were called names for it?