Who will get hurt by the "5 in 5" rule?

[GimJustafan]

like any new practice or procedure there will be some that get what's perceived as the short end '

but for the overwhelming majority this is long overdue- 

a six or seven yearlong college athletic career should not exist under any circumstance  

[JMill]

@scourge165 Flawed statistics. Wrestling will naturally skew older than football because the season is later. In high school, I was 17 the entirety of my senior football season and 18 the entirety of my senior wrestling season… was my wrestling self really a year older than my football self? The most common birth month for athletes is January (except August for baseball)… 70% of NHL players have Jan/Feb/Mar birthdays. 

Edited May 5 by JMill

[flyingcement]

I take a different angle on holding kids back in 8th grade for competitive advantage. To me, it can drift away from the wrestling ethos, which traditionally values earning advantage through effort, discipline, and courage in the moment you’re placed in.  Less about restructuring the starting line.

I also think it can unintentionally overshadow the athletes who don’t optimize in that way but still compete with real courage against older or more physically developed opponents. Wrestling, at its core, has always felt less about engineered advantage and more about what you do with the circumstances you’re given.

If people approach wrestling with an idea of trying to attain perfection, from my standpoint, they're missing the point about what wrestling really offers.

[CHROMEBIRD]

@flyingcement

[GimJustafan]

 

[Dogbone]

16 hours ago, JMill said:

@scourge165 Flawed statistics. Wrestling will naturally skew older than football because the season is later. In high school, I was 17 the entirety of my senior football season and 18 the entirety of my senior wrestling season… was my wrestling self really a year older than my football self? The most common birth month for athletes is January (except August for baseball)… 70% of NHL players have Jan/Feb/Mar birthdays. 

That's only for sports that use calendar year (like Hockey) as those kids are older than kids born in the same year but in November.  

That's the reason Baseball's month is August because that the cutoff month for youth sports.  

And Football's most common birth month is September... because as you know, football uses the school calendar and doesn't have an age levels.  

 

[JMill]

52 minutes ago, Dogbone said:

And Football's most common birth month is September... because as you know, football uses the school calendar and doesn't have an age levels.  

[Dogbone]

3 hours ago, JMill said:

https://www.footballperspective.com/does-when-you-were-born-impact-your-chances-of-making-the-nfl-part-2/

[JMill]

44 minutes ago, Dogbone said:

https://www.footballperspective.com/does-when-you-were-born-impact-your-chances-of-making-the-nfl-part-2/

Here nor there, a lot of kids get a “year older” in those few months, so that number is going to skew older for the later sport. No idea how AI is kicking out the average ages, but I’m sure it’s not standardizing it as “age at beginning of academic year”… probably uses 2025 for football and 2026 for wrestling, for this year.
 

Another not uncommon thing with football is the top players graduate at semester and head to college in the spring to be ready to play in the fall. Wrestling has had some kids head to Colorado Springs instead of wrestling their senior year… and Jax took it a step further.

Edited May 6 by JMill

[Dogbone]

8 minutes ago, JMill said:

Here nor there, a lot of kids get a “year older” in those few months, so that number is going to skew older for the later sport. No idea how AI is kicking out the average ages, but I’m sure it’s not standardizing it as “age at beginning of academic year”… probably uses 2025 for football and 2026 for wrestling, for this year.
 

Another not uncommon thing with football is the top players graduate at semester and head to college in the spring to be ready to play in the fall. Wrestling has had some kids head to Colorado Springs instead of wrestling their senior year… and Jax took it a step further.

It has nothing to do with the few months when they are 17-19 and more to do with their development when they are in youth sports when those "few months" have a bigger impact on development.  In  Freakanomics (or the sports version of Freakanomic, I can't remember which), they explained the Relative Age Effective and used the NHL/hockey example and explained the reason January is the most common birth month(in Hockey) is because when youths those kids are more developed (typically) and have more success and coaches give them more attention which leads to even more development.  

I don't think the data is as simple as everyone is older later in the school year so those sports skew older because everyone is older at the end of the year than the beginning. 

Wrestling has Olympic redshirts and no professional sport that elite athlete can matriculate to which has more impact than how they count the few months. 

[JMill]

Yeah, I get that… I was talking specifically about the statistics posted showing football players are 22 and wrestlers are 23 as seniors.

[Corellan]

Cornell fan but Ivy leagues need to update their policies . Having archaic rules regarding eligibility 

under the guise of being for academic reasons is extremely outdated. The best thing for the student/athlete 

is to have the same opportunities as other student athletes especially in this day and age where athletes 

are rightly allowed to be compensated . 

These policies are not Student/Athlete first policies .

[Interviewed_at_Weehawken]

7 hours ago, Corellan said:

Cornell fan but Ivy leagues need to update their policies . Having archaic rules regarding eligibility 

under the guise of being for academic reasons is extremely outdated. The best thing for the student/athlete 

is to have the same opportunities as other student athletes especially in this day and age where athletes 

are rightly allowed to be compensated . 

These policies are not Student/Athlete first policies .

The Ivy League is a little different than the SEC.  You go there to be a student first.

 

[ionel]

1 hour ago, Interviewed_at_Weehawken said:

The Ivy League is a little different than the SEC.  You go there to be a student first.

But I thought parents were pushing their kids in sports and holding them back so they could get a free college education?  

[Interviewed_at_Weehawken]

5 minutes ago, ionel said:

But I thought parents were pushing their kids in sports and holding them back so they could get a free college education?  

Meanwhile, one of the top recruits in the nation did not know the actual name of the school he has signed with... 

[ionel]

3 minutes ago, Interviewed_at_Weehawken said:

Meanwhile, one of the top recruits in the nation did not know the actual name of the school he has signed with... 

Was it a multiple choice question or fill in the blank? 

[Interviewed_at_Weehawken]

Just now, ionel said:

Was it a multiple choice question or fill in the blank? 

I love a good multiple choice!

[ionel]

2 minutes ago, Interviewed_at_Weehawken said:

I love a good multiple choice!

I did too until a plant physiology course, some like:

a) something

b) something different 

c) something else 

d) a & b

e) b & c

f) none of the above

[Corellan]

2 hours ago, Interviewed_at_Weehawken said:

The Ivy League is a little different than the SEC.  You go there to be a student first.

 

You go there to give yourself the best opportunity to develop and put yourself in a good position for the rest of your 

life. Being a student is part of this but being an elite athlete is just as valid a skill as being a rocket scientist and is 

a viable career path whether it is competing or coaching in the future . Educational Model is already too corporate and 

anything that even hints at being in favor of a corporate, institutional model over the person paying the money needs to be 

be reformed .

 

[Interviewed_at_Weehawken]

12 minutes ago, Corellan said:

You go there to give yourself the best opportunity to develop and put yourself in a good position for the rest of your 

life. Being a student is part of this but being an elite athlete is just as valid a skill as being a rocket scientist and is 

a viable career path whether it is competing or coaching in the future . Educational Model is already too corporate and 

anything that even hints at being in favor of a corporate, institutional model over the person paying the money needs to be 

be reformed .

 

This is virtually unreadable...

But I will say, not every school educates people to be rocket scientists, or engineers, or teachers.  Therefore, not every school needs to educate people to be professional athletes.

Edited May 7 by Interviewed_at_Weehawken

[MPhillips]

21 minutes ago, Interviewed_at_Weehawken said:

This is virtually unreadable...

Yes. But visually stunning...

[ionel]

2 hours ago, Corellan said:

You go there to give yourself the best opportunity to develop and put yourself in a good position for the rest of your 

life. Being a student is part of this but being an elite athlete is just as valid a skill as being a rocket scientist and is 

a viable career path whether it is competing or coaching in the future . Educational Model is already too corporate and 

anything that even hints at being in favor of a corporate, institutional model over the person paying the money needs to be 

be reformed .

Sure but if you are an astronaut on first flight to Mars and upon launch CAPCOM informs you the second stage was designed by an AA tennis player instead of a rocket scientist do you pull the escape capsule handle?  

[JMill]

3 minutes ago, ionel said:

Sure but if you are an astronaut on first flight to Mars and upon launch CAPCOM informs you the second stage was designed by an AA tennis player instead of a rocket scientist do you pull the escape capsule handle?  

Depends… did the tennis player design the escape capsule, too?

[ionel]

Just now, JMill said:

Depends… did the tennis player design the escape capsule, too?

  

[Interviewed_at_Weehawken]

11 minutes ago, ionel said:

Sure but if you are an astronaut on first flight to Mars and upon launch CAPCOM informs you the second stage was designed by an AA tennis player instead of a rocket scientist do you pull the escape capsule handle?  

The machine that formatted his post was designed by a national champ shotputter.