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2 hours ago, red viking said:

I actually said I dont support ANY irreversible procedures before 18 but whatever. You literally lie with every single post and everybody knows that so don't care as much about that as I used to.  

Raping a child is still WAY WORSE you sick bastard. 

So I’m against something bad and something WAY WORSE THAN BAD.  While you support those that do something bad.  Got it 

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Posted (edited)
2 hours ago, JimmySpeaks said:

So I’m against something bad and something WAY WORSE THAN BAD.  While you support those that do something bad.  Got it 

110% lie, as always for you. I already said I was against it. 

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Posted
1 minute ago, red viking said:

110% lie, as always for you. I already said I was against it. 

So you admit it’s grooming.  Got it.  

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Posted (edited)
On 4/14/2026 at 12:11 PM, braves121 said:

A conspiracy is like saying the CIA killed JFK. Simply laying out what this admin has done in black and white isn’t a conspiracy theory my guy unless you think they are conspiring to cover the files then it fits i guess 

This is what these guys do when they know they are getting rocked on a topic and have no way to dispute...

They will play games that causes the entire conversation to derail. They'll challenge your use of the English language, play whataboutism, scream TDS and say they don't have the energy to fact check and on and on they go...

Karl Rove literally wrote a playbook to political messaging and debating with those on the left. He said when losing on the facts and details to "reframe the argument." And to make things more about values and feelings than facts...

They dare not ever agree with anything you say because it is plain as day everything you said is factual and in the public domain to see. But admitting they agree is somehow seen as a weakness or defeat and they dare not do that. 
 

I have taken a step back from debating on here because there is no true dialogue happening and this forum is just as tribal in their identity politics as a twitter or some other dark corner of the internet. 
 

You can't fight with a pig because at the end of the day you're both going to be covered in sh*t but the pig likes it. 

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Posted
2 hours ago, Doublehalf said:

This is what these guys do when they know they are getting rocked on a topic and have no way to dispute...

They will play games that causes the entire conversation to derail. They'll challenge your use of the English language, play whataboutism, scream TDS and say they don't have the energy to fact check and on and on they go...

Karl Rove literally wrote a playbook to political messaging and debating with those on the left. He said when losing on the facts and details to "reframe the argument." And to make things more about values and feelings than facts...

They dare not ever agree with anything you say because it is plain as day everything you said is factual and in the public domain to see. But admitting they agree is somehow seen as a weakness or defeat and they dare not do that. 
 

I have taken a step back from debating on here because there is no true dialogue happening and this forum is just as tribal in their identity politics as a twitter or some other dark corner of the internet. 
 

You can't fight with a pig because at the end of the day you're both going to be covered in sh*t but the pig likes it. 

😂  So, what you just wrote is essentially doing exactly what you claim others do just on the other side of opinions.  By the way, 90% of what is on here is just that, opinions NOT facts.  Go ahead and "take a step back" as you put it.  Should we assume you "lost" or don't have "facts" since you won't argue??  If not, why...that's exactly what others do on here especially when it comes to trying to discuss things with braves and his opinions.

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Posted (edited)
20 hours ago, JimmySpeaks said:

So you admit it’s grooming.  Got it.  

You idiot. If the kid asks for a procedure it isn't grooming. 

Edited by red viking

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Posted
1 minute ago, red viking said:

You idiot. If the kid asks for a procedure it isn't grooming. 

Kids under 18 can’t smoke or can’t get a tattoo or drink because they’re impressionable non adults.   Kids under 18 should not be able to ask to have their gender mutilated

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Posted
1 hour ago, red viking said:

You idiot. If the kid asks for a procedure it isn't grooming. 

This proves how f u k I n g stupid you are. 

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Posted
1 hour ago, red viking said:

You idiot. If the kid asks for a procedure it isn't grooming. 

So you are telling me no one urged them to consider this?   They come with it all on their own?  Adults in their life are having a grooming effect on their choices if they are choosing this.   And of course, there is the science that says kids brains are mature enough to make important life decisions  which is why we call them minors and relieve them of many adult rights and responsibilities.   

mspart

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Posted
26 minutes ago, mspart said:

So you are telling me no one urged them to consider this?   They come with it all on their own?  Adults in their life are having a grooming effect on their choices if they are choosing this.   And of course, there is the science that says kids brains are NOT mature enough to make important life decisions  which is why we call them minors and relieve them of many adult rights and responsibilities.   

mspart

Amended my statement to what I  meant. 

mspart

Posted
On 4/14/2026 at 1:48 PM, red viking said:

I actually said I dont support ANY irreversible procedures before 18 but whatever. You literally lie with every single post and everybody knows that so don't care as much about that as I used to.  

Raping a child is still WAY WORSE you sick bastard. 

this is pretty much raping a child

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Posted
2 hours ago, Scouts Honor said:

this is pretty much raping a child

You're a complete sicko scumbag and obviously have no idea how traumatic a rape can be for a kid. 

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Posted
37 minutes ago, red viking said:

You're a complete sicko scumbag and obviously have no idea how traumatic a rape can be for a kid. 

no i dont. do you?

here is the deal... how is it not the same to be told you are a boy/girl when you are the opposite and raped mentally first, then physically by surgery or drugs 

Posted
20 hours ago, Bigbrog said:

😂  So, what you just wrote is essentially doing exactly what you claim others do just on the other side of opinions.  By the way, 90% of what is on here is just that, opinions NOT facts.  Go ahead and "take a step back" as you put it.  Should we assume you "lost" or don't have "facts" since you won't argue??  If not, why...that's exactly what others do on here especially when it comes to trying to discuss things with braves and his opinions.

I'm sorry but your post just doesn't make sense. 

Posted (edited)
17 hours ago, mspart said:

So you are telling me no one urged them to consider this?   They come with it all on their own?  Adults in their life are having a grooming effect on their choices if they are choosing this.   And of course, there is the science that says kids brains are mature enough to make important life decisions  which is why we call them minors and relieve them of many adult rights and responsibilities.   

mspart

I laughed and just thought to myself many adults aren't mature enough to make proper life decisions. 
 

The disconnect here is you think every adult out there is trying to convince a kid that may have questions about their sexuality to get gender affirming surgery and that just isn't happening. As a profession- I am in operating rooms every day and these surgical procedures are as rare as getting an unredacted Epstein file. They just aren't happening near the amount that your twitter feeds are saying they are.

I think a positive step would be to educate teenagers on the clinical adverse events that can occur when performing such procedures and I can tell you surgeons do go through very serious discussions with their patients prior to any life altering procedure to include gender affirming care. 
 

I'm sure some parents out there present or may even suggest these options to their kids but when rubber meets the road, they still have to go through a clinical process in which they have no authority over. The amount of brainpower being spent on this topic is so disproportionate with the actual issue that it should be studied by scientists on how to use fear tactics and techniques to mobilize a population on a topic that has little to zero affect on their lives. 
 

Id go as far to argue there are far more parents out there who traumatize and gamate their kids in the sport of wrestling between harmful training, weigh cutting and psychological stress than anything close to this topic.

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Posted
1 minute ago, Scouts Honor said:

not every parent.

just lunatics.

and there are a lot more of them on the left. 

Have you been to a youth wrestling tournament?

Posted
14 minutes ago, Doublehalf said:

I laughed and just thought to myself many adults aren't mature enough to make proper life decisions. 
 

The disconnect here is you think every adult out there is trying to convince a kid that may have questions about their sexuality to get gender affirming surgery and that just isn't happening. As a profession- I am in operating rooms every day and these surgical procedures are as rare as getting an unredacted Epstein file. They just aren't happening near the amount that your twitter feeds are saying they are.

I think a positive step would be to educate teenagers on the clinical adverse events that can occur when performing such procedures and I can tell you surgeons do go through very serious discussions with their patients prior to any life altering procedure to include gender affirming care. 
 

I'm sure some parents out there present or may even suggest these options to their kids but when rubber meets the road, they still have to go through a clinical process in which they have no authority over. The amount of brainpower being spent on this topic is so disproportionate with the actual issue that it should be studied by scientists on how to use fear tactics and techniques to mobilize a population on a topic that has little to zero affect on their lives. 
 

Id go as far to argue there are far more parents out there who traumatize and gamate their kids in the sport of wrestling between harmful training, weigh cutting and psychological stress than anything close to this topic.

It does happen 

A woman (Fox Varian) who sued her doctors over a breast removal surgery she received when she was 16 and identified as transgender has been awarded $2 million in damages, marking the first time a detransitioner has won a medical malpractice lawsuit over the care they received as part of their transition.

As The Free Press first reported, on Friday, a jury in New York State sided with 22-year-old Fox Varian, who sued her psychologist and a plastic surgeon, accusing them of failing to adhere to standards of care around gender-affirming care for minors. According to the New York Times, Varian claimed that her doctors did not obtain adequate consent or adequately inform her of the risks associated with a double mastectomy she received in 2019 and came to regret.

Posted (edited)
2 hours ago, Doublehalf said:

Have you been to a youth wrestling tournament?

are you saying wrestling parents are all conservative? 

do they want to trans their child? 

Edited by Scouts Honor
Posted
4 minutes ago, Scouts Honor said:

are you saying wrestling parents are all conservative? 

do they want to trans their child? 

Most are. Complete nut jobs. I've kicked a few out myself 

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Posted
3 hours ago, Caveira said:

It does happen 

So do lightning strikes.
 

My point is not that there are never any circumstances that exist in which someone is not lead astray or regrets the care they received or had a shitty parent that gave them the wrong advice on gender affirming care- it's that it is significantly more rare than you make it out to be. There are exponentially more suicides from those kids that identify with a separate gender and are either bullied due to that or their needs/desires are disregarded. How come you never talk about trans suicide? 

Posted
1 hour ago, Scouts Honor said:

are you saying wrestling parents are all conservative? 

do they want to trans their child? 

Ignorant post made in bad faith not worthy of explanation. 

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