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this seems like bartlett and his wife are the ones who found the "victims" here and it just doesn't have a strong ring of truth

the author of the article, this thread sheds a little more light

Sure. But is that what the coaches learned? What they have is a student telling them stuff they had in their locker isn't their anymore. Even assuming that means it was stolen (and not lost/misplaced, which the coach won't know), what they don't have is any credible evidence that it was stolen by one of their athletes, as opposed to someone else. (Remember, this is before police looked at camera footage.)

Is it true? mspart

I can understand jross's assertion. Who can tell where the Cook Islands are specifically without looking it up. I couldn't some time ago. When I lived in Hawaii, Aloha Airlines started flying to the Cook Islands. I was like where is that? I knew where Iran was, but not the Cook Islands. Granted Iran seems to be more relevant to world issues, but who has even heard of the Cook Islands? Is it important to know about the Cook Islands? So I can see what he is talking about. mspart

My kids are color blind. That might be a rough major for them!! mspart

Saying Zohran hates Jews has been a common complaint against him

Honestly, they deserve to be cooked. I have been a huge supporter for a long time, but this is the epitome of "all your eggs in one basket" as a sport. If this goes south, this will be a problem that takes the better part of the next decade to come back from. People talk about the OSU sanctions back in the 80's and early 90's being bad, this will be worse. And frankly, it should be. Wrestling historically has a problem of not holding highest performers to the standards of human decency. In the past people have often sited Sanderson has having a "dry" sense of humor. In retrospect, it is really starting to just sound like another instance of athletic sociopathy, where the only thing that matters is winning, and apparently truly winning at all costs. Gable had standards, Smith appeared to at least require some human decency from his athletes. This issue with this is it casts a pall on the entire program, and everyone in the entire room for the entire time that someone like this was around. And frankly, it should. Bartlett is brave for doing what he did, and saying what he did. That takes incredible conviction and courage as a young man, but it is also a massive indictment of the powers that be in the institution that empowered negative actors for such a long time. With how tightly the coaches have that program under lock and key, there's not a chance in hell that the coaches didn't know about this. Ben Askren, come back healthy please, we need you now more than ever.

https://www.israelhayom.com/2025/06/26/trump-and-netanyahus-2-state-vision-gaza-wars-end-abraham-accords-expansion/ But he is trying to end the war in Gaza. He prevented (for now) war between Iran and Israel. This guy is a real war monger. Trump and Netanyahu's 2-state vision: Gaza war's end, Abraham Accords expansion They reached consensus on these fundamental principles in general terms: Gaza hostilities to conclude within two weeks, Abraham Accords expansion to include Syria and Saudi Arabia, a two-state solution with limited Israeli sovereignty in Judea and Samaria. mspart

It seems like it was reported. Did you see the part where security cameras were reviewed and people interviewed by the police?

Isn't getting tea-bagged a good thing?

This is a part of the article that I'd bet large amounts of money is inaccurate. If it's really true that the cops were so bumblingly incompetent that they were "unable to contact" Starocci for six freaking months, then everyone in that chain of command should be fired. But I think it's exponentially more likely that they contacted Starocci, and he either said nothing or said he did not want to talk about it. It's conventional wisdom that if you're being investigated for a crime, you don't talk to the cops. If he asked a lawyer for advice, that's what the lawyer would say. Most people know that. That seems far more likely what happened here.

Not totally ludicrous, since if the goods were never found, and there's no video of Starocci with them, and there's no admission....that's it. So if this happened and was more about Starocci getting "revenge" or just messing with Bartlett, and he just took the items and destroyed them/got rid of them...that's unlikely to result in an arrest unless either Carter admits or someone provides actual evidence of it happening.

Do casual MMA fans care about Lance Palmer though? I don’t mind the old-timers, but I don’t understand why they’d match them up with guys that are current world medalist contenders.

You would love that wouldn't you.

Boy this sounds really familiar.

PSU now offering incoming recruits free daily hernia checks from Dr. Starocci

The only thing that felt good was that I felt that Bartlett had taken some unwarranted shade from the community and from his own fans. And I made a great joke about Bartlett and his wrestling offense. The actual allegations are disturbing, though.

Biggest psu apologist ever? U serious. That theft is a felony. Yes — at Penn State and under federal law, a D‑1 coach who learns that one of their athletes is committing a crime (such as theft over $1,000) would be required to report it to university authorities. 1. Clery Act & Campus Security Authority (CSA) Under the Clery Act, coaches are designated as Campus Security Authorities. If they receive credible information about a crime (like theft), they're required to report it in good faith—even if it’s a rumor—to Penn State’s University Police or via the CSA Incident Report Form It’s not part of their job to investigate; it’s their responsibility to report. 2. Institution Policies & Student Code of Conduct Penn State’s Student Code of Conduct explicitly lists theft and violation of law as reportable misconductpolice.psu.edu+1spotlightpa.org+1. Their internal Athletics Code of Conduct and Title IX policy require coaches to report any suspected misconduct to school administration or the Title IX Coordinator . 3. Institutional Reporting Expectations After the Sandusky scandal, Penn State significantly reformed its reporting systemselibrary.law.psu.edu+15spotlightpa.org+15en.wikipedia.org+15. Coaches now undergo annual compliance training and are expected to report all suspected criminal or Title IX-related misconduct to appropriate officials, such as the Title IX Coordinator, Athletics Director, or University Police.

I have always questioned Starroci’s character and temperament based on observations (terrible thing to do on my part). However, to say he should be kicked off the team or Cael should be fired is a pretty huge leap based on information in the article. First, the article says the police were not able to locate Starroci, but that could easily be misworded. Maybe the police did ask him questions but Starroci refused to cooperate. They have no evidence he did it, so what were they supposed to do? Get a search warrant? What did you want Cael to do? Holy crap can you imagine if coaches opened police investigations every time a player reports something stolen from their locker? That’s millions of case a day! 95% of the time the player left it at home, car, etc. The SA allegations are horrible, but if nothing has been reported everybody’s hands are tired. Did anybody tell Cael or did “everybody” talk about it behind closed doors and Cael “had to know?” Checking the oil and 5 on 2 are horrible parts of our sport. It has as much to do with our sport not growing as much as anything. However, if every wrestler was kicked off the team for accusations of that we’d have to move to 6 weight classes. All these factors combined, plus maybe more we don’t know, could lead to moving on and not joining the NLWC. But it’s hard to imagine kicking him off the PSU team with flimsy allegations.

This is your response to the very serious news coming out of PSU, to make it about Iowa?

I'm saying it's hard to know the difference as a coach. If one kid complains and the other denies it or says it was accidental, that's a pretty thin basis to discipline a kid. Yes, sometimes it's obviously intentional, but sometimes it isn't so obvious, and coaches know that. If there's multiple reports, yes. But in a one-off situation, I think most coaches would just say, "I don't know what happened but just try to make sure you don't do that." Here there is no indication it was reported at all. And just because a coach was nearby, doesn't mean he's watching for ball-grabs. To be clear, if 2 or 3 of the complaining wrestlers in the article showed up in Cael's office with essentially the same complaint, and Cael did nothing, I'd find that utterly inexcusable -- even if Starocci denied it. But that's hypothetical based on the limited facts given.

So what happened?