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LaRussa retired after winning the WS with the Cardinals, albeit prior to 2006 there was some frustration amoungst the fanbase, myself included, with the lack of a WS championship in St. Louis. LaRussa had won one in Oakland. With that being said there was never a serious push to remove him from his manager position. The Cardinals were in contention most years during his time there. It didn't help Belichick that Brady went and won immediately elsewhere. Knight is a good comparison. I know Knight got fired for his behavior and not necessary his coaching, but he was beyond his heyday at Indiana. He was tolerated while Indiana was winning national titles and going to Final Fours.

For the old timers out there, were there people asking this question when Iowa Sate, led by a young Jim Gibbons, defeated Iowa at nationals a few times in the late 80's. Just saying, with only 1.5 separating the teams at nationals. It's a little early to ask the question. However, I think Dresser is a great coach and I'm glad to see this former traditional power having some success. Too bad they only gave out 3 trophies this year.

That wasn't my question? In your opinion, that is why is is under scrutiny. I'm asking if there is a coach in another sport with the coaching credentials that Tom Brands has, that has ever been under similar scrutiny. I said, maybe Saben with Alabama football. I can't think of any others.

I seem to remember people did/do hate Iowa. Some of it, from way back when, was that many of the Iowa wrestlers (the Brands brothers included) seemed to embrace the "heel" role. That, and the many favorable calls, mostly stalling, back in the Gable era. Today, the Iowa guys generally seem like pretty good guys/sports. Not sure where the hate comes from today. Right now Penn State is every bit as dominate as the Hawks were during the 80's and 90's, but very few, maybe one, have taken a "heel" turn (to use pro wrestling terminology).

Is there any other sport where a coach has a team consistently in the top 5 of the country yet is under the scrutiny of Tom Brands? Maybe Alabama football and that's a maybe. Say a basketball coach wins 4 national titles, favored to win a 5th but the tournament is canceled. That same coach goes to countless "Final Fours," would there be a basketball fan base arguing the game has passed this coach by? Or a change needs to be made. Penn State is the best team in the country, and that has been the case for the last 15 years, the next best team during this stretch has been Iowa.

That was certainly a rumor that was out there. Lee would have already been in the final based on his US Open win that year. Gilman would have needed to advance through the qualifying tournament to to match up with Lee in the finals. At that point, in my opinion. Lee is the favorite.

Had Covid not happened, it is was highly likely that Spencer Lee would have won a national title in 2020. There is little debate about that. He was most dominate during the 2019 - 2020 season. It is also likely that it would have been Spenser Lee representing the US in the Olympics in 2020, again had Covid not happened. In 2021, Lee tore a his ACL on his good knee, therefore compromising what he was able to do on the wrestling mat. Ultimately, he had surgery to repair both knees forcing him to sit out nearly all of the 2021 - 2022 season, and some of the 2022 - 2023 season. Anyone that has ever wrestled, can appreciate how difficult it must have been for Lee. As good as he was, it's very difficult to return in that time frame to 100%. The Spencer Lee that wrestled at nationals in 2023, was not the same guy that was dominating his weight in 2020. I don't think many would debate that.

The Brand's brothers first year, they finished 8th at the NCAA tournament. Iowa then won 3 straight. Iowa was ranked first in 2020, and would have been a solid bet to win the title that year. In the last 14 years, Penn State is the best team in the country, Iowa is the next best team over that same time period. There is no debate. Of course, being the 2nd best team is not what Iowa fans want or expect. It's been a long while since Dan Gable has retired, but his legacy still looms large over the program. At the time of his retirement, I would have said Dan Gable's coaching resume would have been impossible to top, but Cael is certainly closing in.

Not the best Big 12 Tournament, but Mizzou qualified 9.

That is his brother. Luke's dad, Drew, is the head coach at Parkway Central and wrestled at Missouri State and Mizzou. Great wrestling family!

Smith has done this a few other times during his tenure at Mizzou. I agree with Hawks chances of becoming an AA.

There is no reason Iowa or Penn State shouldn't wrestle Mizzou. A home and home with either of those teams would be good for the sport. Credit to Oklahoma State, who kept Mizzou on their schedule during MU's time in the MAC. Every other year, OSU is the biggest draw for MU. Looking forward to that dual.

OSU had national champion Tony Purler at 126 lbs. Purler won the title at 126 for Nebraska, Jaworsky the 134 title at NC.

For many years SIU-E wrestlers did very well at the NCAA D1 tournament. Tim Wright, Allan Grammer, Al Sears, Booker Benford a few names that come to mind.

Personally I'd like to see Hawks there, but either guy should do well for the Tigers.

Mizzou has 9.9

There is absolutely no reason Iowa and UNI shouldn't wrestle every year.

I'm disappointed Iowa won't wrestle Mizzou. Seems as if this would be a logical dual for both schools. That being said, Penn State doesn't seem to be in a big hurry to wrestle Mizzou either. I know Brain Smith would love to add either team to his schedule.

Joe Seay was also fired at OSU and later Tenn-Chat.

I know we wrestled a dual against Dayton in 1994. Not sure how much longer the program survived after that. That being said, Dayton wasn't very good at the time, as we shut them out.

In regards to the SEC... LSU had a really good team at one time. Kevin Jackson transferred to Iowa State because they dropped the program. I want to say Tennessee (mid-80's) had a national champ and dropped the same year. Kentucky was also a solid program. Auburn was a top 10 (if not a top 5) program when they dropped. Outside the SEC, Notre Dame has a solid program. When they dropped, JJ McGrew transferred to Okie State where he won a national title. ND was a privately financed program. Its still tough to take that they dropped it. Rumor at the time they would bring it right back once the heat passed, but here were are 30 plus years later. Marquette was also privately funded, but still dropped.

Dayton also had a team at one time.

I'd like to see Iowa wrestle Mizzou in a non-conference dual. It seems as if this dual would make a lot of sense. Of course, I wouldn't mind a Mizzou/Penn State dual. I know MU has tried to schedule both teams in the past.

You didn't see many coaches post-50 years old back in the 90's. A lot of that was based on what you said about Gable. There was belief it you couldn't get out on the mat anymore it was time to go. It is my understanding that Gable wrestled with his guys, mind you the top guys in the nation, well into his 40's.

Which sports world? Wrestling? Are you saying most basketball players graduate high school at 19? Or is your world limited to wrestling? I don't see this as a positive. Of course, that's just my opinion. To each their own.