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Angelo has a visit scheduled for Wisconsin this weekend according to rumors on the Iowa board. This wouldn't shock me as he might as well take multiple visits... I suspect we'll see Angelo wrestling at some program in the future, but still have to go through another year or two of AJ putting out posts speculating about some big announcement...with no big announcement(regarding wrestling, though we may find out what state institution he'll be spending ~5-10 years at). I don't know why, but I'm still rooting for Angelo. I don't know any of them, but it seems like he's already being written off and so far as I can tell, he flexed and did a little shit talking, but he's being lumped in with the brothers poor behavior. Just hope he is his own man and doesn't blow a chance at a free education.

I mean...I probably wouldn't call OJ a murderer if it were just the two of us(I'd hate for some random man to come along and stab me and get all that blood all over OJ)...but I will do it here.

I'm with you on the headgear. Of all the Wrestling you'll be doing, a tiny fraction is an actual match. Having your ear swell up to the size of a Golf ball and start to fold over...I don't really get what's cool about that, but that's for HS rules I guess. You're legally allowed to be an idiot when you're 18! Running a guy off has gotten worse. I think "working for the turn," will mostly just be guys like Starocci making it look like they're working for a turn. I'd definitely do something about hooking the ankle. You can't stay on the ankle for 5 seconds, but you can hook it for the whole period? I'll just reiterate my general point. We shouldn't go looking for problems to fix. The MFFs, those are actually problems. If not counting them as a loss on the record, at LEAST count them as a loss for seeding purposes. More action on top. But I think the pushout rule is going to really hurt the sport.

I really doubt they saved money on the UV "Mops." Those things start at like 1,000 dollars. how much do you think mops and bleach come in at?

Iowa won a LOT of matches by just wearing guys down...particularly the Brands brothers, Ironside, Stieners and Mcllravy. He won...what, 16-15 in the finals after going down big to Gerry Abas(who gassed). I don't think PSU guys would have been gassing. Mcllravy isn't wearing Zain out IMO. No question. Again, I was just talking to a 2X Champ from the early 90s about this and he's the first to admit how much better the technique is today...but in what sport is this not true? Iowa bullied, out-worked and just intimidated(in the best possible ways) a lot of guys during Gable's runs in the 80s and 90s. I don't see that happening to the PSU guys listed. This is a fun question, but...how do you even measure it. Joe Williams vs David Taylor? I think Taylor would be too much for him in the scrambles. The point was made he lost matches because he got bullied. He lost to two different Wrestlers. Jenkins...who really didn't bully Taylor, Taylor got beat by his own technique. And then Dake who Taylor had one of the great finals matches against and I wouldn't say he was bullied. I'd just say Dake's the 2nd best College Wrestler since Wrestlers were allowed to Wrestle all 4 years.

The Americans were in the Gold Medal Match in 9 of the 10 weights in Freestyle. We even had a few guys do well in Greco. It was kinda like having the NCAAs without the B1Gs competing. I think there was one athlete who won a WC in '83 and one who won a WC in '85. The Schultz brothers. It was OBVIOUSLY nowhere near the same level of competition. It's still an Olympic Title, but there's a reason most people put an * next to that year.

It seems unlikely Russia is leaving the Ukraine with Putin still in power. Putin would lose even more credibility if Russia tucked tail and ran now(which is how it'd be seen by those supporters of the War). Nothing is fair to the Ukrainians right now. I'm still conflicted over banning all Russian athletes unless they speak out against their own country...leaving them without a home and very possibly subject to severe punishment. Who knows what Russia would do. I also don't want to really die on this hill defending Russian athletes even if I think it's a little more nuanced than their Country is doing some terrible shit. It feels like the sanctions that targets the oligarchs...but without the teeth as you're not actually punishing anyone who can do anything to put pressure on Putin.

The Americans did send over a delegation to try and get the Nazi's to tone down the antisemitic rhetoric...which as history proved, accomplished absolutely nothing but appeasing the few American's who were concerned about the PR....to the point it was even an issue at that time There was very little actual outrage in America at that time. FDR stayed out the issue entirely, and save for the American ambassador who adamantly advocated a boycott and few others, American athletes were encouraged to participate. Though...not all that concerned as Jewish athletes in the US were left off teams in an attempt to not offend Hitler...purportedly. As you pointed out, with the CONCLUSION of the games... The Nazi's temporarily toned down their rhetoric, they took down many antisemitic signs featuring Jewish tropes for the Olympics. How is that similar to Flat Earth? One of the two things is real and happened, the other is...flat earth.

Keep in mind when a few of those Olympic Gold's happened.

I agree...It'd be similar to '84 when we dominated the Olympic games, but I believe only Shultz won a WC the year before or after. That's not why I think the Russian athletes should be in though. It shouldn't be about the product of the Olympics.

Yeah, but we went over there to make sure he wasn't gonna be really mean to the Jews first!

Which one? The first one was pretty good and it didn't seem like the guy was quite the dick the last two were. I enjoyed the guy who tried to run and jump into him getting planted!

This might actually get me if you changed the name a bit. "Siddi Finch?"

Yes, I don't think he'll beat Dake, but I don't think Marsteller is beating Starocci again. Is it really more likely he beats Dake than Marsterller beats him? I don't know, that was more just for emphasis. It's going to be very interesting to see how Starocci does at 74KG. It's a shame the greatest sport in the world only gets 6 Olympic weights.

After reading Ramos and other comments...that sounds about right. Maybe go back to the Mops and the UV lights...if you've already purchased them.

1-I agree. It's really not that hard to transition from Freestyle to Folkstyle...if you're on his level. You're still getting regular matches. Obviously it's not ideal, but I'm sure he could train Freestyle and it may make Folkstyle more fun. I'm guessing these guys are probably mixing their training up as it is. 2-I'm guessing Dake is gonna want to do a VERY little big of training with him. Some...but I suspect it'd benefit Dake more than Starocci.

He's also been on record saying it'd be "cool" to have the chance to get 5 and do something nobody else ever has. I believe he'll go for 5...if he gets 4.

"We?"

I think I've done so a few times now and you come back...reply twice if you don't get the reaction you seek. I've even tried to move this to private messages so we don't burden the entire forum with this petty bullshit when people are actually trying to discuss potential rule changes in a sport they ACTUALLY care about. And yes, you have been doing "it" before me and I'm sure you'll continue these silly detractions with or without me(just this thread shows you're apt to do just that with other posters).

"cheap internet parlor tricks?" Sure...that definitely makes sense. Just take a look at this; 27 posts not...about a style of Wresting you don't respect. That you don't care about, two ridiculously long little feuds distracting from the topic again with two people. Virtually nothing has anything to do with the thread. I've tried now a couple times to just end this. Clearly I've hit a nerve as you've posted multiple times after I've said you can have the last word! But...what you really want, just like that little cocker spaniel...is stimulation, isn't it? In that respect, I'm sorry I've indulged you. What exactly are you looking for here? Just a leg to hump? Is there any way that can be someone(anyone) else? LOL...Christ, the dog really doesn't know what to do when he catches that rabbit.

That sounds great...and I have a great deal of respect for Navid Afkari, I think asking someone else to do that is...just asking too much. This isn't like protesting in the US(obviously, I know you know this).

LOL...he's STILL going? Even if I TRY to let you get the last word just to be done with you...what is it? Napoleon Complex? This thread...AGAIN, wasn't about you. And yet you've gotten into these totally, utterly meaningless drawn out protracted and incoherent threads about nothing. Remember...this isn't even a sport YOU respect? Clearly I don't. I try to let you just tire yourself out. I try to let you get the last word...what else are you looking for?

When I said the TDs out of bounds, I was referring specifically to the Churella-Hendricks match. Those just aren't close to Takedowns..at all. As a whole...I actually like where we're at right now. It's not flawless by any means. If I could make one change, I'd like to see the...(channeling inner Shane Sparks) resilite with a larger out of bounds area. More room so that a Wrestler can't just put his hand on the floor to be out of bounds. That's an issue. A lot of the TDs that are given up are given up just because guys kinda try to Wrestle the edge and they let up. And it's certainly hard to Wrestle through a position, but it's kinda like catching the ball on the sidelines and dragging your toes. You're not going to have to take the hit and hang on as you go to the ground, but it's just about being aware of where you are. I agree though, you can wrestle out of bounds on one side and have 3 extra feet if you're butting up against another mat and going the other way, you've got the table or the floor. I just don't know how to solve that(other than just larger mats, but that's expensive...though if you started moving in that direction now....). I do like it better than the older rules where there were far-far fewer TDs because the action was blown dead.

I'm just going off memory here, but I know Alex Smith, the Washington Football Team QB who suffered a brutal injury and ended up having 18 surgeries...his story started out sounding pretty similar. Though I believe his was worse(hopefully...it sounds like they're coming through the worst of this). But it took a while for them to realize it was necrotizing fasciitis in his case as well, correct? A compound fracture on a football field...all the bacteria. It just sounds brutal...and the same can be said for a Wrestling match. One great thing about the Wrestling community, it's diverse, but we seem to come together when someone is in need. I sure as hell hope this is a storyline at the NCAA's next year. Just Wrestling next year would be a great story and mean he's healthy and he's recovered.